What edition of the game are we using? Legendary Edition. Even if you only want to play with the basic edition teams, the software requires everybody to purchase the legendary edition.
What is a "Cup" in regards to Blood Bowl rules? Each team will play each other team in its pool once or twice (depending on amount of players). Teams will be promoted into the play-off rounds depending on how many spots you set up starting with the best teams of each division. Winner of the play-offs will win the league.
How many games will we be committed to play? 2 games per week. Match days will alternate between Wednesday-Saturday and Sunday-Wednesday (To be discussed/changed if need be). The timezone majority of players will determine when exactly the deadline will be. You are encouraged to be in contact with not just one, but your next two opponents at a time in order to schedule games in a timely fashion. This is an international league, with the majority of players coming from NA/EU- be mindful of this. You will not be penalized if you can't agree on a schedule with your opponent, but you won't be rewarded either.
What if I need to play a Wednesday-Saturday match on Sunday? Due to the limitations of the software, I cannot delay a single game without holding everybody back. The league must progress as one. It's not up to me. If it is midnight and you/your opponent are mere moments from starting a match, I can hold off for an hour or two, but I ask you to plan accordingly.
What if my opponent and I cannot agree on a match date before the deadline? Either one of you has to make concessions for the other and stay up late/wake up early or I will be forced to rule the game as a draw. I don't know whether ruling it as such will award MVPs and winnings or anything, but you'll be hurting your teams progression either way. Be mindful that this is an international competition- you won't be given special consideration because the deadlines are closer to your timezone.
What if I can't make contact with my opponent? Let me know before the deadline (if possible). This way, I can attempt to contact them to prove that they are MIA. If this happens, I can award you a 2-0 win with 2 MVPs and winnings. I'd still rather each and every game be played, but giving WOs is a necessary evil that I'm preparing for.
Are we allowed to foul in the game? You can foul any time you want and I will celebrate it. It is Blood Bowl, after all.
A lot of us Teamliquid Blood Bowl players idle/chat on IRC. This is a really useful tool to find practice games, schedule league games, discuss strategies, make friends and find live BB streams! I encourage you to come say hi! Find us at #TLBB on irc.quakenet.org .
You can also use this webchat. Pick a username and join the channel "#TLBB"
If you are just now reading this thread, you are joining us in the middle of a 2-month long league that is currently in progress. Registration is closed for the league- however, if you are interested in playing as either a reserve or interested in the next season, please send me a PM and I will keep you posted. There will be many more leagues in the future in different formats and I hope to nurture this as long as Liquidian players remain interested. Even if you are not in the league, you may find challengers or practice partners in IRC that would be interested in a game or two!
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I choosed 6 teams and Nakarot rolled a dies to see what team ill play. And i rolled Dark Elves. So here we go.
Team name: Unhappy Tree Friends Race: Best of elves - Dark elves Player roster - Lumpy, Giggles, Petunia, Sniffles, Cro-Marmot, Disco-Bear, Flaky, Lifty, Shifty, Russell, Toothy etc - full roster here - http://tiny.cc/unhappytreefriends
In-Game Username: Shatter Race/Team Name: Amazon/ The Matrix Timezone: GMT -8 (PST) Battlecry: (Think of one later)
Glad someone started a league where you choose your team, much more fun that way. Never really played Amazon and haven't played in a while besides a few games since LE came out, so this should be interesting.
Username: iamonaboat2000 Race/Team: Norse or i could play human if needed Time: Mountain Standard Time Battlecry: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT KILL MY ZERKERS
Username: Skirn Race: Skaven Time: US Central Battlecry: Look at me. Look at the ball. Look back at me. Where is the ball? I ate the ball. What are you going to do about it?
On November 19 2010 02:29 Skirn wrote: Username: Skirn Race: Skaven Time: US Central Battlecry: Look at me. Look at the ball. Look back at me. Where is the ball? I ate the ball. What are you going to do about it?
Off to a good start so far. PM'd 30 people, 16 sign-ups in 12 hours, 1 PM said no thanks. If we get a couple more responses tonight, I might just make it soon and start tomorrow, if people sign up and apply quick enough!
Edit: Catyoul signed up via IRC. Let this be on record! Edit2: Shatter opted out, so no amazons after all! (yet)
Alright guys, we're at 27 people. I'm happy starting with 28, but we'll see how many we have when I wake up in the morning. Note that the league has to be an even number when I set it up, and I don't think I can change that number after I open up league registration. Therefore, if you are #29 and there is no #30 by the time I start, you'll have to be put in to reserves.
When I wake up, I'll be making the league with the lowest even number we have. (eg: if we have 31, it'll be 30. If we have 33, it'll be 32.) I don't do this to rush things, but rather to make sure we can get things off to a smooth start in a reasonable amount of time, starting the league [at the latest] on Sunday at 0:01 AM.
If everyone registers faster and all that jazz, which I will encourage via mass PMs, we can start a day or two early. However, I cannot remake the league to re-set the max players if you register late! It would cause too many delays, no matter how much I'd love a larger player pool
Also, to those wondering, the format will separate us in to 2 divisions. You will play round robin within your division, and then the top4 from each division will compete in the elimination playoffs.
On November 19 2010 14:31 TwoToneTerran wrote: So few passing/scoring teams? Man you guys are totally lacking in variety. I'll have the team made by tomorrow morning.
Username: TwoTone Race: Elves/The flakiest of snow Time: Central Standard Time (-6 GMT) Battle Cry: ow
edit- Actually, I see no one is play regular Elves, if you don't mind I'll change to that. Gotta have a full gambit of teams!
This is indeed a sad sight. I'm switching to wood elves because of this.
On November 19 2010 11:37 Nokarot wrote: Also, to those wondering, the format will separate us in to 2 divisions. You will play round robin within your division, and then the top4 from each division will compete in the elimination playoffs.
Do you get to pick divisions? Just wondering if can coordinate the timezones...
On November 19 2010 11:37 Nokarot wrote: Alright guys, we're at 27 people. I'm happy starting with 28, but we'll see how many we have when I wake up in the morning. Note that the league has to be an even number when I set it up, and I don't think I can change that number after I open up league registration. Therefore, if you are #29 and there is no #30 by the time I start, you'll have to be put in to reserves.
When I wake up, I'll be making the league with the lowest even number we have. (eg: if we have 31, it'll be 30. If we have 33, it'll be 32.) I don't do this to rush things, but rather to make sure we can get things off to a smooth start in a reasonable amount of time, starting the league [at the latest] on Sunday at 0:01 AM.
If everyone registers faster and all that jazz, which I will encourage via mass PMs, we can start a day or two early. However, I cannot remake the league to re-set the max players if you register late! It would cause too many delays, no matter how much I'd love a larger player pool
Also, to those wondering, the format will separate us in to 2 divisions. You will play round robin within your division, and then the top4 from each division will compete in the elimination playoffs.
The game requires we have an even number, its not my decision. Also, we're doing 2 pools, so its divisional play and not a big-ass round robin (since we have so many people).
I have absolutely no idea if I'm physically able to or not. My fear, however, is that if I do seperate the divisions, then we're more likely to have WOs in the playoffs (bad) than we are pre-playoffs (bad but tolerable)
Not to mention I don't know whether we're split 50/50 in regards to regions to where I wouldn't be completely screwing someone over by having them be the sole american in a euro division or something.
On November 20 2010 07:48 Nokarot wrote: The game requires we have an even number, its not my decision. Also, we're doing 2 pools, so its divisional play and not a big-ass round robin (since we have so many people).
TeamLiquid Open Cup No1 password: butterfly
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If you're like me and copy/paste into BB you'll have some troubles finding the league. It's actually TeamLiquid Open Cup #1 in game if you do a search for it. Of course just searching TeamLiquid works
For the record, anyone having registered after the initial 28 players is in reserves. Its unfortunate that we didn't get 30 sooner but I can't remake the league, on the offchance people no-show and we're under the amount of players instead of over and we'd be back where we are now.
16 hours until I would like to officially start the league. I will dip in to reserves at this time if I have to. If we don't have 28 with reserves, I will start simply wait until we have 28 and start, even if it means new and unregistered reserves posting in this thread.
Either way, I'm hopeful that we'll start tonight (Midnight EST). 21/28 so far.
Hey Quick question, I've been using pile on a lot recently, and occasionally I roll a casualty and then it automatically Piles on and I roll something like a stun, This means that the Pile on cancels out the casualty and gives me a stun.
The skill description says you 'CAN' pile-on. Am I misunderstanding this?
Is this an inherent risk of Pile-on? Is there a way to stop the player from piling on if you're satisfied with the injury?
Main Menu > Extra&settings > Options > Optional Skills Preset (bottom right)
On the left of Piling On will be "enabled" (which you want always checked) and on the right will be "ask". Make that green if you want to be prompted to use a skill. You can also do this with a few other skills like Wrestle which are situational.
Also, if you guys can stream your games, be sure to let us know when your matches are going to be played! In what was our temporarily-alive league we played last week, we had over 5 live games with VODs and plenty of fellow players watching and chatting.
Nokroth, have you thought about getting 1-2 co-admins to help you with advancing the league? Im just thinking so we dont, for some reason, end up with the same situation as what happends in the other league.
On November 21 2010 20:04 TargetPractice wrote: Nice going!,
Nokroth, have you thought about getting 1-2 co-admins to help you with advancing the league? Im just thinking so we dont, for some reason, end up with the same situation as what happends in the other league.
(Dont get the flu plz )
Yes, Lorgoth and myself have commissionner access, so hopefully this will go smoothly.
Really pissed off I got Blood Bowl too late to be able to make a decision about joining!! But I'd like to throw my hat into the ring as a reserve/ 3rd league participant?!
I'll actually be the only human player xD. @ GMT 0.
Anybody who's late to the party, I'll keep you on the shortlist for when I spam PMs for season 2 ^^ I might also be running a separate draft league (where there's only 20 players and they have to draft to see who gets what race) but that wont be for at least a month.
On November 21 2010 17:44 Jaug wrote: Nice getting league up so quick, my timezone is GMT +1 not GMT -6 like it says in code.
Fixed in OP!
On November 21 2010 20:04 TargetPractice wrote: Nice going!,
Nokroth, have you thought about getting 1-2 co-admins to help you with advancing the league? Im just thinking so we dont, for some reason, end up with the same situation as what happends in the other league.
(Dont get the flu plz )
As Catyoul said, himself and Lorgoth are co-admins and have access to validate matches and to force the match day switch (I think- if for whatever reason they don't I'll give them my user/pass.)
My goal is for all matches to be validated within 24 hours max. If for whatever reason we fail to do this, I'll assign another one. Probably Jaycee.
On November 21 2010 20:05 TargetPractice wrote: Yeah these divisions are like, WTF?=!
All the bashers are in league 2 together with my bashers :s
Ohh well, lets hope I can hurt some snotlings for SPP
Also, if you have a complaint about a game (disconnect, whatever) PM Nokarot, Lorgoth and myself so one of us doesn't validate the match by mistake, or at least post in this thread.
Also Cat - do we want a separate BB Manager league for each division? I suppose its a case of do we want to be able to see the standings for the divisions separately, or do we want to be able to view the stats for all teams/players in one go?
Off to a smooth start so far, guys! 6 games on the first day, a number of games scheduled for tomorrow. Let's keep it up! Looking forward to seeing some results )
We had a bit of drama this morning in the Kielbasa vs Brownjesus game. It was turn 16 and the game was going to end in a 1-1 tie, and then there was a disconnect (a failure of the game, not of anyones internet). The game recorded it as a 3-1 win for Kielbasa, wherein he earned 2 MVPs, and Brownjesus earned 0 MVPs and 0 Gold winnings. Kiebasa had 1 dead Saurus and Brownjesus had 1 dead wight and 1 dead zombie.
As a commisioner, the limits of the software give me 3 options. 1) Keep the score after disconnect, rewarding Kielbasa and severely punishing Brownjesus. 2) Reset the game, play again. 3) Invent a game result, wherein both players earn winnings and a single MVP.
#1 is impossible because that would completely screw Brownjesus over, and wrongly reward Kielbasa a win that should have been a tie. #2 is impossible because Kiebasa only had time to play this morning- he will be MIA until Thursday, wherein the forced day change would take place. Also, it was 1AM his time, and he had to sleep.
We did the math (rather haphazardly but we got through it) and determined that Kiebasa should have earned 12spp and Brownjesus should have earned 9 (not including MVPs). What we TRIED to do was to reset the game, score it 3:3, and have both players earn 9 random SPP from touchdowns, plus an MVP. Then they would delete the characters that died (other casualties were BH so it didnt matter).
Despite making it 3:3, both players only got 3spp+MVP. Both players earned 8 when they should have earned 17/14. To make matters worse, I made the mistake of telling Kielbasa to delete his was-dead Saurus, meaning he lost out on 9SPP and still got penalized for a death, essentially getting fucked. There is no reversing this- I don't have the options to do so. Realizing that was a mistake, I didn't want to penalize Kielbasa without penalizing Brownjesus, as they both technically killed each others players fair and square despite missing out on SPP. Being as that they may meet eachother eventually in the playoffs, its my opinion that it wouldn't be fair for Brownjesus to keep a wight (he got a zombie with necromancer for killing saurus, a ruling I made despite the bug that makes necromancer not work, so the dead zombie canceled out.)
Brownjesus wasn't all too pleased with this- in hindsight, it would have been better to rule it as a 1-1 with no deaths, given the limitation in rewarding people SPP through invented touchdown scores. However, the Saurus was already deleted, and I've requested that Brownjesus delete the Wight just to be fair to Kielbasa. I left this choice up to him, hoping he will do it in respect to Kielbasa, but cannot force it on him given that these rules weren't made in advance. Can't punish someone if the rules didn't exist, and I regret that Kielbasa may have to unfairly pay for my mistake.
FOR ANY FUTURE RULINGS, I would prefer a regame, if at all possible. This is a friendly league- please consider regaming to save all of this trouble even if you were winning. Its not fair to keep the result and screw your opponent out of MVP and Winnings, while they keep their injuries and whatnot. I know, I know- it's not fair to you either if you were in the lead, but please consider it. If you want a ruling to be made on your game because you can't re-game (time constraints, too angry because you were winning, etc), please upload the replay to BBManager and contact me. Do so knowing that you will either get what you wish, or I will force a 2:1 result or something (which will give you less spp and ignore injuries/deaths/etc, but still a win). These will have to be judged on a case-by-case basis, there is no way I can let a disconnect screw over someone if they have 5 deaths and get no winnings from it (for example).
Mistakes were made. It should have been so much easier, but I fucked up in telling them to delete players. For that I'm sorry, but I still stick by what I did to Brownjesus as damage control for my mistake. In the future, all games will be either awarded as-is on disconnect, regames, or invented results with no injuries/deaths/etc and lower spp. Its the best I can physically do. It is an unfortunate evil but we will have to deal with it.
Edit: With this, it is also requested that you post on this forum or tell an admin on IRC when your games are finished, to confirm that there are no disputes/disconnects/etc, so that we don't validate matches that need to be reset/reviewed. This is VERY important. After a match is validated, it is impossible to reset or change. To Catyoul and Lorgoth, do not validate a match unless you've been informed one way or another that it was finished legitimately.
Looking back on it - Nok you did a great job given that none of this was planned for, and the exchanges were quite heated.
Good to see rules in place for future, and hopefully they don't need to be called upon!
On a different note, if anyone is willing, please create a team and join: Test League pass = test So that I can test out some of the limitations of awarding results. You won't be required to play any games. Particularly interested in: does a 1-0, 2-0, 2-1 result award 1-2 MVP and 1-2 TD to the winning team, and 0-1 MVP and in the case of 2-1 0-1 TD to the losing team.
Tough situation to rule. This is a fresh new league, and we don't have rules in place yet for every possible scenario. In that context, I think Nokarot did a good job.
The typical ruling before LE came out was to keep disconnects as is. Of course in the case of a turn 16 disconnect on a tie, this really screws one of the players. The alternative if a replay isn't possible, is to try to admin the score in. Considering Cyanide's bug record, we should definitely test this kind of stuff to look at the effects. I will comment further when we have tested this properly.
Also, during the playoffs, if two players draw, DO NOT VALIDATE THE MATCH. I have no idea how the client decides who advances, we'll have to do it ourselves (either replay until no draw or something else).
I'm not sure about overtime in the playoffs. We'll see how the game handles that, we'll see when we get there. But in case that doesn't happen, we know we should not validate the game.
Since there no money and it basicly all just for shits and giggles a regame always does seem like the best option. More face smashing and bleeding heads is always good with me if a regame can be made.
35 hours left, guys. I know of at least 2 people who have had issues contacting their opponents, but there are a few of you guys I've never even heard from or seen. Let it be known that if you are uncommunicative, your match will be recorded as a loss and you will receive no winnings or spp. I will be giving draws where both players receive winnings and spp only under the condition that I'm told that there's a scheduling issue.
4 matches left! 2 are supposed to be played tonight, 1 of them is a likely WO, and one of them I have no idea (stormtrout vs kanil).
Those of you playing tonight, I might be MIA until ~8pm EST, have a medical test to do. If none of the admins are around to validate, rest well knowing that they will be validated by morning. The forced match day switch tomorrow afternoon may also be slightly delayed, as I have some paperwork that I've been putting off that I'll be doing then. It might be 3PM EST instead of noon, maybe even an hour or two later pending on the circumstances. However, it will be home and started by 5PM at the latest, I can promise that.
Lorgoth gets a 2-0 WO over Delki. Delkis internet is down for a while- whoever his match2 opponent is should keep this in mind (but we are trying to find a temporary sub to play his games. Will message his opponent when I have more info).
I will be home on time tomorrow, so 15.5 hours from now will be a forced day change (Noon EST).
Waiting to hear from Stormtrout vs Kanil and Infernokoi vs Twotone. Hope you guys are reading this and/or my PMs because you dont have much time left. If I dont hear anything from anybody, they will be ruled a draw. Even if you deserve a WO, you need to talk to me and provide me with details before I can rule anything except a draw.
im playing in about 20 minutes from what i scheduled, from speaking to storm, he was scheduled for earlier today but kanil wasn't online so i dno about that
Sorry, Lyter, I was ready and willing to play at the given time but my entire neighborhood didn't have power for the majority of tuesday due to a thunderstorm frying one of our transformers. Shame about the WO but there was nothing I could do about it this time.
3 WO's given on Match day 1. Some of it was out of peoples' control, in which case I harbor no grudges. Let's get Match day 2 underway, and hopefully we'll get to finish all the games!
DAY 2 LIVE! DAY 2 LIVE! DAY 2 LIVE!
This match must take place between now and 24:00 Saturday night (EST, GMT-5). Please make contact with your opponent to arrange a reasonable time. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
On November 25 2010 01:30 Tippereth wrote: Death, only 1 SPP earned because the corpse was his MVP and his TD scorer. Horrible luck with Nuffle.
That was our first game :p it wasn't THAT bad, but in my second game I had 3 deaths (including werewolf), 3 other casualties, lost 3-0 and rolled a 1 on winnings.
Oh and my only SPP (one casualty, except MVP) came from a journeyman who I didn't keep.
22 hours, guys. I'm on good authority that at least 2 of the last 5 games will be played (with 1 more being a likely WO.) Hoping to get more of them done before the forced game switch!
Also, I'd like to thank [mostly] everyone for being super active and supportive of this community-within-a-community. If we stay active, I look forward to many seasons to come, and am more than willing to put the time and effort in to grow this more and more.
Edit: Found a replacement for Delki, yay! Welcome Alak, another Orc to the Bashy league o.o
Catyoul vs kingjames01 was ruled a draw due to scheduling conflicts.
Kanil got a 2-0 WO for his match day 2, due to an inactive opponent that has since been replaced. Alak has taken over for Delki and will be making his debut in match day 3!
Sigh, I hate you nokarot. I'm supposed to be in the soft league and I get matched up with lizard-lizard-nurgle. My team isn't going to survive to complete the tournament with this schedule. Poor Pro elves.
Also, do forfeits count as Draws? As I'm not sure why I have 1 under D in the OP.
Alak inherits 0 0 0 2 0 0 4 Alak replaces Delki after Day #2
Points, Win, Draw, Loss, Games Played, Goals For, Goal Against
Note that there's a new column for "Games played". If you draw, WO or forfeit, then its +0. Forfeits will be tallied privately (I don't want to be publicly shaming anything for no-shows) on the off-chance that someone becomes inactive and/or otherwise unreliable.
The flakiest of snow 3-0 against Fallen Kings. Got really lucky and came out of the game with no permanent damage. Sadly, have to face the fourth of five bashy teams in the league, all in my first four matches, lol. Here's hoping for more luck!
Good week, guys. Most games were played extremely fast. Had to award Cloudica a WO against Lyter, but hopefully that won't become an issue for Match Day #4.
Speaking of, Day 4 is live! Good luck everyone, and let there be blood.
Edit: Updated & fixed up those standings and put it in the OP, Jaycee. Thanks!
I thought the same thing a few days ago. If you actually look in the thread though that date of the last post that is shown isn't his last post, just the last post in the thread. He hasn't been posting since he disappeared.
My position as a commissioner is a strange one. Under my belt, I boast a mere 30 or so games. My understanding of the way the game works is pretty clear, despite my skill being subpar. To make up for my lack of strategy and understanding compared to all of you veterans, I've hoped to create an environment wherein everybody is having fun, is learning and is well organized.
While I feel I've done pretty well, things have not been as flawless as I had hoped. I've had to make several rulings that may or may not have been the best choice, as well as invent many-a-rule on the spot. I failed to prepare proper seedings, which has resulted in many high-scoring games in Division 1 and many low-scoring, casualty-filled games in Division 2. While some players have found success, others have found complete and utter terror. While the god of dice rolls has certainly favored some players over others, I do feel responsible for some of the rampage that has occurred. To those teams who feel they've been unjustly getting bashed upon game after game, I very much apologize and hope you find it in you to continue playing and have fun in the process.
I'm looking for ways to improve this league and all leagues to follow it. This includes rules, seedings, scheduling, restrictions, how to treat WO's versus Draws, ways in which we can better communicate with one another, etc etc. One of the primary questions I'm asking myself is how or whether to let teams from previous leagues join new leagues.
I'm opening the floor to you guys, as I wish to provide as best and fun of a league as possible. If you want to post here and offer some advice or critique, feel free to do so. If you'd rather send me a PM or talk to me on IRC, I will be available for that as well. Just let me know what you think of what's gone on so far and how you feel it could be better in the future!
Just want to say thanks again to Nokarot for running/organizing this league. I know it's a lot of work and headache, but I really appreciate it.
As far as team carryover goes I'm happy with anything. Developing an new team is fun, as is continuing to develop a veteran team. With the size/length of our league it could go either way.
If it was smaller I would say carryover because you need ~10-15 games to move a team from nub/unskilled to interesting.
If it was larger I'd say start fresh because 20-30 games and your team is going to be well developed. Also if it was larger we could have a smaller/shorter league for new teams, then a larger/longer league for seasoned teams.
As it is I don't care either way, I'm just happy to play.
Yeah, thanks Nokarot! You've been great! I haven't won a game yet, but that doesn't bother me. I think a lot of new players will get sour and bitch over a loss, injury, or whatever, but those are probably people who aren't comfortable with the game of BB yet. I'm a noob, but I realize that BB is not some game where you use immaculate skill and carefully nurture a team to victory etc. Players die, shit happens, and plenty of games just go pear-shaped because of the luck of the dice. Absolutely no reason to get mad over it.
I would vote for not carrying over teams though, mostly because anyone who was doing poorly at the start will never get a chance to win by the third season. They just fall too far behind.
I have absolutely zero complaints with your admining so far though, Noka. And your reminders are extremely helpful. Not sure what else there is to say. The way I feel, it couldn't get any easier to play or enjoy this league. Had no idea some people were upset.
Nobody has necessarily been upset (except for the seeding), I'm just looking for ideas for the future.
Also, I'd like to thank Jaycee for all the help he's given me as well. We've had no issues validating matches in a timely fashion, I'm now making him a commissioner as well, to join Catyoul, Lorgoth and myself. He helps a lot and has contributed a lot in to the content in the OP, so he might as well!
Got a few thoughts on next season (and when I say a few, its Big Wall 'o Text... ) Will detail them later...
I think the most important thing is to cater for: a) new coaches, that missed the cuttoff for this season b) old coaches, that for whatever reason want a new team c) old coaches, that want to continue developing their team
Bear in mind that with a little luck (and the right league setup), coaches from a) and b) will become coaches in c) after a season or two!
Oh, and thanks Nok, hope I can contribute to this community/league even half as successfully as you have been!
Only 34 hours left and we still have 7 unplayed games. Let's speed this up a little bit, guys. I hope you aren't going to make me force a lot of WOs this matchday! Last week was really good!
Fallen vs Kingjames Twotone vs robicecold Megelrov vs Jaug Storkhwaiting vs Tuln Krag vs Kanil (regame after turn3 disc) potatoedoughnut vs Lorgoth Tippereth vs Stormtrout
If you are in any of these matches and unable to contact your opponent or unable to find a mutually available time, you need to talk to me ASAP. If the deadline rolls around and I've heard no word from either player, I'll be forced to record a draw whether or not you may have deserved a WO if you don't keep me informed. Either send me a PM here, find me on IRC or whatever if you need to.
What Jaycee said, although I can extend the deadline by a few hours if I have some sort of guarantee that the match will be played in that time frame.
Jaug vs Lyter kingjames vs Cloudica Skirn vs Papagenu Mexicanhat vs Jaycee Stormtrout vs TargetPractice Lorgoth vs Tippereth
If you are on this list, I need some sort of information regarding the status of your game. If someone is uncommunicative, MIA or unreasonable in their ability to play this game, I need you to PM me information arguing your case for a WO. If I don't hear anything from either player and the deadline hits, I will be forced to rule a draw, whether or not someone deserves a WO/Forfeit.
In other news, Kanil has respectfully withdrawn from the league, citing that his games have become far too difficult to schedule (based on his availability or otherwise.) Megelrov has informed me that one of his friends might be able to fill in the slot, but in the meantime, its likely InToTheWannaB will receive a WO for Day #5. I hope to introduce the replacement in Round 6.
Match Day #5 was a tough day. Too many draws and rulings for my comfort, some drama that I'd have rather avoided, and frankly a bunch of stuff that is just getting on my nerves in general. Yes, I'm going to be naming names and calling people out. I'm the type of person who says what's on my mind, no bullshit. This isn't exactly a professional approach but it's one that I live by.
Situation #1 - Brownjesus vs Tuln, a mid-game disconnect.
It's turn 11, Brownjesus is up 1-0 after he received first half. He disconnects, thanks to Cyanide's inability to create a stable game. At this point, nobody was really in a scoring position. This was [eventually] resolved when both players agreed to re-game, with Brownjesus scoring once in the first half for free and skipping turns until the second half. This should have been the obvious answer, but some issues arose.
a) Tuln sustained a casualty, and Brownjesus wanted him to sit a player in the corner to mimic the 10v11 atmosphere. For starters, Tuln had 12 players and it should have been 11v11 anyway. Second, really? I mean.. really? We want to put players in our endzone to mimic casualties?
b) Things got tense between the two players, and some harsh words were said. My goal in creating this league was to create a fun environment for everyone to play in. If people are going to act like children, I'm not going to run a second league.
Mid-game disconnects will be treated on a case-by-case basis. If both players agree to mimic the results somehow, then more power to them. Otherwise, if you want just a straight-out re-game, that's fine too, so long as you're not pulling the plug to do so.
Situation #2 - Kanil drops from the league, WannaB gets a WO?
Kanil has respectfully resigned from the league, citing that scheduling has been too difficult and stressful. This is regretful, as Kanil has been nothing but active and supportive and has simply got the shit end of the stick in regards to scheduling.
Game 1, he misjudged the time zones and forfeited, an unfortunate but understandable mistake which I hold no ill will towards. Game 2, he faced Delki, our first drop-out who was completely inactive and impossible to get a hold of. Game 3 was apparently a scheduling nightmare (for his timezone or whatever, I do not know.) Game 4 was another scheduling nightmare- not once, but twice, because a disconnect forced a regame on a desperate day.
Day 5, he scheduled with InToTheWannaB, who no-showed. This essentially pulled the trigger and made him resign. Why, then, did I award InToTheWannaB with a WO?
Because Kanil, in his infinite modesty, didn't even mention that WannaB failed to no-show. All he told me was that he respectfully resigned. Later, when I became privy to more details, it was too late. I had already given WannaB the victory and validated it, an action which is irreversible thanks to Cyanide's inability to design a logical interface.
Even with Kanil dropping out, I would have given him the win had I known. You do not deserve x2 winnings and x2 MVP for no-showing. WannaB, I request that you buy new players with whatever winnings you earned and promptly fire them, to at least perform a LITTLE damage control. I don't know how much money you made, but I hope you will be fair. I cannot force this, but I hope you listen.
Situation #3 - Forced draw between Papagenu and Skirn
Ya'll just didn't try hard enough. I know that the IRC community is thriving, and many games can and have been played with little to no scheduling attempts. Many games are played via "Are you there? Yes? OK, lets roll." You cannot rely on that, and you need to discuss more than availability.
Games need to be scheduled. If a game is not scheduled, and if both players have shared PMs and not devised a schedule, then I have no basis in which to award wins- not that I want to award wins, I'd rather both players be proactive and actually play the game. Oh well I guess.
Situation #4 - Forced draw between Cloudica and kingjames
I heard nothing from either of you until it was too late. Period. The only thing I did see was Cloudica asking "has anyone seen kingjames" in IRC a few times, which is not enough basis to judge any games. Cloudica PM'd me 5 hours before the deadline (a period in which I was sleeping) to simply say that he couldn't get a hold of his opponent.
If you are not able to contact your opponent, you need to contact me at least 24 hours before the deadline, so as to give ME time to try to contact your opponent for you. Also, you need to copy/paste any private messages you've sent to and received from your opponent so that I have something physical to go off of. I'm not going to punish someone off someone else's word- I need evidence. I've said this time and time again.
For all intents and purposes, Cloudica may have been eligible for a WO. Unfortunately, the deadline hit and I didn't have any physical evidence, and was not made sufficient aware of the situation. Cloudica, I apologize that you received a draw when you may have deserved a WO, but it's too late now. Again, Cyanide's shitty interface makes this ruling irreversible.
Situation #5 - Forced draw between Jaycee and Mexicanhat
Jaycee and Mexicanhat want to play Saturday, but you can't play MD5 games before MD4 ends.
Jaycee asks Mexicanhat if he can play Sunday.
Mexicanhat says Sunday is a bad day for him, but he will try to be on at night.
Mexicanhat doesn't show up, Jaycee spends all night waiting.
Jaycee PMs Mexicanhat asking for his availability. Mexicanhat remains unclear.
Jaycee PMs him again. No response until Tuesday.
Tuesday, 30 hours before the deadline, Mexicanhat says a bunch of stuff that essentially equates to "I'm at work when you're sleeping and you're sleeping when I'm at work on the weekdays"
Jaycee is unhappy because Mexicanhat waited so long to tell him that, and despite his extended efforts to schedule a game, its basically impossible to schedule. He feels that Mexicanhat didn't try hard enough to warrant a draw. He feels that if Mexicanhat had ruled out weekdays sooner, they could have looked harder at trying to schedule something on Sunday (perhaps earlier in the day if that would have made it easier on Mexicanhat, which is unknown.)
For all intents and purposes, Jaycee tried a lot harder to schedule this game than Mexicanhat. He was extremely proactive and not at fault in any way for the lack of ability to schedule a game.
Why, then, did I rule it a draw? While I very very very very much wish Mexicanhat had been more proactive and clearer in scheduling, the bottom line is that their schedules and timezones couldn't agree. Whether they communicated or not, Jaycee was sleeping while Mexicanhat was working, and Jaycee was working while Mexicanhat was sleeping.
Even if Mexicanhat was god's gift to scheduling and communication, their timezones would not agree. The only difference between them talking to each other and them not talking to each other would have been a few wasted keystrokes- the game would not have been played under either circumstance.
Jaycee is understandably upset at Mexicanhat's reluctance to communicate, but even if he did, there'd have been no difference. It's shitty but that's that. Sorry.
All "schedules wont agree" draws will be treated this way, so long as both people have attempted some form of communication and that there are no obvious signs of abuse (AKA: Telling someone "I'm unavailable all week" is not grounds for a draw.)
In conclusion...
Shape up, guys. I'm a mentally depressed person currently in psychotherapy and on 2 antidepressants, of which are not working and I'm likely to endure another month of torture weening off of them so that I can try a new one.
I have spent the better part of these last few years trying to avoid every ounce of drama, and it's not easy to be relied upon to find solutions to these issues wherein my goal is to "piss off as few people as possible."
This league is supposed to be fun. If issues arise, sometimes you will have to make concessions in order to ensure that the league remains fun as a whole. The more players there are, the more liabilities there are and the more problems we will inevitably have to deal with.
All I ask is that people remain patient. I will make rulings in your favor if I have reason to, beyond a shadow of a doubt. However, the mere existence of doubt in a ruling makes any judgment arguable- and if something is arguable, punishing somebody without evidence is impossible.
One think i can say is thx Nokarot for great management of the league. I think all thinking ppl support your decisions and know that its not eazy to be GOD even of something so small like league of BB.
On December 09 2010 05:22 cloudica wrote: I didn't realize admin decisions had to be made so early before the actual deadline for the games.
I'll let you know earlier next time.
It doesn't necessarily have to be made early, but I need to have evidence early so that when the deadline rolls around I can make a decision without scrambling around wondering what to do.
I apologize to Cloudica for not being available during that past round of games.
There was some illness involved which confined me to bedrest for a while but that cannot be used as an excuse because I was online during that time.
I also denied the charge in a PM exchange with Nokarot but I was confused with a previous opponent. For that I apologize. This past week in bed has just blurred together.
I realize that there is nothing that Nokarot can do to remedy this situation in particular. Perhaps in the future we can have in the OP a list of players who miss games. If they continually miss games, then WOs will be awarded against them due to their history.
Also, Nokarot, your dedication to the smooth operation of this league is greatly appreciated and should be highly commended by all. =)
Nok: i dont think you need to take every trashtalking and flaming going on at mirc/in game etc and related issues that serious... in most cases it happens in the heat of the action, which is just showing ppl are being competetive about this. I think all ppl in this league appreciate ur effort in getting this to work, but i think its quite impossible not to run into problems in terms of tension and scheduling, its inevitable, so all there is to it is not to worry to much.
On December 09 2010 23:02 sc4k wrote: hey is everyone playing with xbox 360? Was wondering about that... :S
All on PC
Does Xbox360 partake in the same online environment as PC? would've thought that netcode aside, that would be possible with a game like this...
Also if anyone's planning to play at the very end of MD 6 / start of MD 7, please let me know, as I'm playing a double header, and would like to know if anyone is actively waiting on the match day changeover...
MD7 is Live. Lots of WOs in MD6, and still no replacement for Kanil, so more WOs to come from all of his opponents. I'll do a mini-write up (not as big as last time as there was 0 drama), update the rankings and send mass PMs in a few hours, but I'm kind of busy with something at the moment.
Edit: Oh, and I'll link the VODs of MD6 in the OP. Forgot to do that this time, but will do it when I finish.
I'm not going to name names this time around, except in the case of Alak who was ill and let me know ahead of time, and thus receives no grudges from me. Otherwise, people are just MIA, no-showing matches, not answering PMs or this or that or the other thing. We're still finishing the majority of our matches but I fear what will happen if it declines.
Being as that this thread isn't garnering any new interest (unless there's some lurkers out there) I fear that if this inactivity continues to spiral down, we won't have enough players left for a second season- or, at least, not run by me. We'll see what happens. All I can say is that it's not fun to run a league where you're giving 5 WO's per week and many games are being played at the last minute.
Still no replacement for Division 2. Guess that's another WO for MD7, this time in favor of Mexicanhat. Half-way through the league, I'd be surprised if anyone would even bother wanting to join, so at least I'll get 1 win with my ogres this season- although I'd rather lose than get a WO.
Apparently if you get matched up against an empty team slot (in the case of people who withdraw from the league) then you gain 0 SPP and injuries that cause MNG are still missing until you actually play a game. Even if I give you a 2-0 win, nothing happens, and in fact it wont even count as a win (nor draw or loss) on your ranking.
So, if you're up against Kanil, theres nothing I can do until I get a replacement.
Tippereth and I got through the first half of our (bloody) game and then I disconnected. We rescheduled for tomorrow at 10 (UTC-6, 11 "server"), so we should finish right before the match day rollover.
I figured this would be clear by now- if nobody tells me anything or requests a WO with sufficient evidence/reason, (via TeamLiquid PM preferably, so that I have it on record) I will record any game as a draw by the end of match day.
StorkHwaiting vs kingjames01 - edit: Nevermind, they played.
potatoedoughnut vs Tippereth - edit: Nevermind, they played.
iamonaboat vs Alak - edit: Turns out they had it all planned out but underestimated the deadline. Oops Oh well, as long as they're active, I'm happy. Shame it had to be a ruled draw, though.
ShloobeR vs Stormtrout - Neither one of them has spoken up so this one's not on me. I'm tempted to rule this a 0-0 except for the fact that I promised 1-1 draws in cases of day changes.
Krag vs Jaycee - Krag missed a scheduled match by a few hours when the match was scheduled for 0:01, the minute MD7 started. By the time he showed, Jaycee was going to sleep. While I am unhappy that Krag didn't meet at the agreed upon time, essentially wasting Jaycee's time and throwing a wrench in the planned schedule, there was 80 hours left- plenty of time for at least attempting a reschedule.
You can cite timezone incompatibilities as a means of being unable to schedule a match on the weekdays, and therefore place blame on someone for missing a match on the weekend. You cannot, however, receive a win for being active during a 2-hour window for the entire week. For all I know, because absolutely nobody has talked to me about this match, Krag has been awake 80 hours straight looking for an open slot in Jaycee's limited weekday schedule. Jaycee will probably be upset, but I cannot justify a WO with no information other than "Krag wasn't here the minute the day changed."
For the record, if Krag and Jaycee continued communications and it was deemed physically impossible to play on the weekday, Jaycee would have been given the victory because of Krag's no-show. However, there is no evidence given to me that suggests it was impossible. The fact is that nobody has spoken to me and I haven't heard either player say a word since Jaycee went to bed that night. This is a draw.
Krag was 7 minutes later than he said he would be. He stated he'd be on between 00:00 and 00:30 his time (CST), he got on at 00:37 and Jaycee deemed that it was now too late and he had to be somewhere else. Don't see how you could call that a no-show on Krag's part.
Jaycee claimed that Krag was supposed to be there at the start of the day-switch (00:00 -5) and you are saying that Krag said he wouldn't be there until 60-90 minutes after. (00:00-00:30 -6)
Regardless, my point wasn't to argue 7 minutes versus the 120 minutes I claimed but to say that I cannot make a ruling if nobody is talking to me. If nobody sends me evidence, I have nothing in front of me to verify that when someone allegedly misses a game, it wasn't a time zone misunderstanding, misuse of words, or to establish blame in general. If I can't blame anyone, I can't issue a forfeit, and if I can't issue a forfeit, I can't give a WO.
I appreciate your insight Tuln but I'd appreciate it more if Krag and Jaycee would defend themselves with the evidence I have requested match day after match day, time and time again, every single time anyone has ever had an issue, hereinthisverythread.
At this point, either one of them might have a case against the other, but neither have shown it.
Nothing I can do. It's a draw.
Edit: Stork vs kingjames is happening right now- a little late but it's fine. potatoedoughnut will change to MD8 as soon as they finish. I'm running out the door but I'll update the standings and send mass PMs and whatnot when I get home.
Thanks potatoedoughnut for covering for me in changing the matchday. He's fairly active in IRC so I made him a commissioner for the purpose of validating games, in case other ones aren't around. I'm also promoting robicecold since he seems to be active during the mornings when I may or may not be sleeping, on the off chance people need games validated then. Thanks for the help, guys :O
Sending mass PM reminders in a moment. A few hours late- sorry guys. Had to pick up something.
On December 16 2010 00:04 Tuln wrote: Krag was 7 minutes later than he said he would be. He stated he'd be on between 00:00 and 00:30 his time (CST), he got on at 00:37 and Jaycee deemed that it was now too late and he had to be somewhere else. Don't see how you could call that a no-show on Krag's part.
For the record, we agreed to play at midnight when the matchday reset. If krag interpretted this as his midnight, that's up to him (and Nok to adjuducate)
Given the match was scheduled, I booked the rest of my afternoon to go to the movies, leaving 3h after midnight, (2h after Krag's midnight). Why should I cancel my plans, based around leaving sufficient time for a scheduled match to play out, because my opponent was late?
We'd already discussed in advance our schedules, and there was no opportunity to play the rest of the week. It's very easy when you work fixed hours to know if a game is possible or not. To me there was nothing left to discuss. nothing but wait on whether the missed scheduled game would be a win or draw. If Krag was waiting the remaining 80 hours to play me, he didn't send one PM.
Nok, you were there at the time, and from your discussion above, you know all the facts. I don't mind how you want to adjudicate the result. Needless to say that following discussions from a week ago, I thought having a fixed time scheduled to play was enough.
Me 2-1 Alak, forgot to post the livestream link but it'll be in the VODs as per usual. I would have preferred rolling doubles to get sure hands, but instead I have an agi3/break tackle ogre so hopefully I'll be able to get my hands on the ball occasionally in future games. Maybe when he hits lvl4 he'll get sure hands :O
On December 16 2010 14:35 jaycee wrote: For the record, we agreed to play at midnight when the matchday reset. If krag interpretted this as his midnight, that's up to him (and Nok to adjuducate)
Nothing should be open to interpretation, it should be written in stone as cold hard facts, with timezones specified and agreed to on by both parties. I can't interpret that someone should get a free win, I need undeniable evidence. This is the way that the court system [supposedly] works. To prove someone guilty, there should be no reasonable doubt in that sentencing.
I was there that night, and I saw you leave just when Krag showed up. If there was a timezone miscalculation, I can't place blame unless I know who's fault it was.
In regards to our conversations a week ago, I have told you to send me copies of PMs and have told you that just because a match doesn't get played that you should stop trying to reschedule. If it was Krags fault, then I would favor you if you were unable to reschedule after his mistake- however, you have to at least try. Its not acceptable to sit there for 80 hours expecting the win. Maybe you two eliminated weekdays by comparing schedules beforehand, but as I said, nobody PM'd me that.
Having a fixed time scheduled is enough for a draw, not for a win. To get a win, you must have exhausted all scheduling options and have your opponent either be unreasonable, unresponsive or no-show, and provide the evidence to prove this true. Deadline hits and I have no evidence? Its a draw.
Feel like I'm kinda just talking in circles these last few posts, but I'm hoping to somehow clarify it to the best of my ability so that there's no issues in the future.
Because of the holiday season, MD9 will take place for a whole week, from Sunday-Saturday. We didn't really do this for Thanksgiving because it was a little more isolated in regards to who celebrated, but Christmas is typically a more widespread thing so we don't really want to screw anyone over.
I don't think many people tend to travel for New Years. MD9 being lengthened is meant to help people who are in other states/countries/many miles away from home, but to my understanding most people tend to go home for New Years.
I guess I never really considered it, but if anyone has any specific concerns about a holiday, I'm open to ideas. I'd rather not delay things too long, though. There's only a few MDs left before playoffs.
Stormtrout vs Krag Jaycee vs WannaB Tuln vs Cloudica
Have heard nothing regarding these games since the day switch. If they are not played in the next 3 hours, they will be regards as draws. Please not that any last-minute disputes will be handled by potatoedoughnut, because I'll be unavailable these next few hours and he's handling the match day change. If you are presenting evidence to get a WO, it'll need to be sent to him and you'll need to catch him (preferably in IRC) to let him know.
Thanks to potato for covering for me :O Going to sleep now but I will send mass PMs after I wake.
As previously stated, with Christmas coming up, the admin team has decided to extend MD9 to twice the length of a normal MD. Therefore, MD9 games will be due between now and the end of Christmas Night on Saturday (EST/GMT-5 at midnight, as per usual.)
While this time is extended in the hopes to limit the amount of forfeits and crap, I hope that some of you take advantage of it to play those games. Had a rough couple of weeks- I dream to have at least 1 week of 100% completion before playoffs :O
Edit: Updated the standings on the OP. Something about the statistics looked off to me- either Kanil's withdrawal or how me/jaycee traded back and forth, maybe we graded forfeits/scores differently, I don't know. So, I manually plugged in each and every game in hopes of cleaning whatever it was up, and then double checked the points on the in-game leaderboard. Should be good now.
Edit#2: It appears I made a bad mistake for MD8 rulings. I forgot that Krag mailed me and said he would be unavailable and to give his opponent, Stormtrout, a WO. For whatever reason, this completely spaced on me, and I'm not going to try to justify it. Sorry Stormtrout for giving you a draw I wish it was reversible in some way, but unfortunately there's nothing I can do, now.
I think we're going to extend the deadline another week. I know that, during this 2-week period, we normally crunch in 4 games instead of 1, but given the holiday season I think its pretty unreasonable to force all this out so fast.
However, being as that New Years is on the weekend, I encourage people to not wait until last second to play because there will not be another extension. MD10 will begin on January 2nd. I'm not setting any kind of precedent that I will extend for long periods of time to avoid WOs, even if there's a lot of them. Rather, I just don't want to force people to lose games during a period of time when lots of people are traveling or otherwise unavailable.
So, enjoy your break without thinking about WOs. Merry Christmas, etc etc!
As a reminder, if you guys have any scheduling issues, I need to know before the deadline. I know a few people came to me last week and said their matches were having trouble being scheduled before Christmas, but I'm not gonna W/O someone if you neglected to message them for a whole week after Christmas. So, let me know if anyone is still unresponsive, but keep trying.
Nobody (except Alak/Mexicanhat) has talked to me in regards to any failure to communicate or a failure to schedule games. I'm hoping this means that you all have games planned for some time in the next 34 hours, otherwise you're all getting draws~.
Tuln vs TwoTone (who PM'd me saying Tuln would WO Christmas week but nothing after I extended) Infernokoi vs Megelrov Cloudica vs Papagenu Lorgoth vs Ziktomini (new guy but since they've had a week to schedule I think it should count) TargetPractice vs ShloobeR Tippereth vs Krag
Day10 is live- 4 hours late, sorry. Hope nobody was waiting for it.
Lots of draws, one WO (Twotone > Tuln / edit: oh, and Mexicanhat > Alak, mentioned below), kinda crappy for 2 weeks worth of time but the holidays were unpredictable, I guess, with all the travel and unavailability and whatnot. Hopefully MD10 gets us back on track- we're back on normal schedule, so now we have half a week instead of 2 weeks per game. We'll see how it goes.
Alak has withdrew from the league due to personal affairs. I know what's happening but I'm not going to breach his privacy. Suffice to say, its an extremely reasonable and understandable reason and I wish him the best. Regarding Alak's future games, he still has a team in the league. When Kanil withdrew, games were turned in to byes, wherein his opponents received no spp/money. I didn't create a dummy team because I had thought of it too late and didn't want to screw anyone over who I had missed, but in Alaks case I'm going to leave his team in. My reasoning is that, anyone who has played against Delki/Alak (the teamslot as opposed to a team in particular) has received spp/winnings. By keeping his team in, it guarantees that everyone got equal treatment on their "match" against "Alak/Delki". If someone PMs me and wants to take the slot, I'll replace him, but otherwise I'll keep him idle.
Kanil did finally find a replacement, a man named Ziktomini. Him and Lorgar received a draw for md9, but hopefully he'll be an active and suitable replacement for md10+. He is very new- don't cut him some slack, but maybe give him some pointers.
No worries, Kanil. Frankly, giving people 16SPP and x2 winnings is something I actually don't like doing, its just a struggle to find options that makes everyone happy. You didn't really screw things over- I'd rather people not get free stuff, myself.
9 unplayed games, including my own opponent. I've gotten so many PMs from people who cant contact their opponents, and I am not prepared to give 4 WOs and 5 draws. I was hoping to not set any kind of precedent for extending deadlines during the holidays, but I simply refuse to make rulings for that many games.
Suffice to say I'm pretty dissapointed, but I'm extending for another MDs-worth of games (AKA, until Sunday 00:01 EST). Hopefully we can reduce this number to AT LEAST 5.
MD11 is live. Made rulings on 8 games, but I'm tired of complaining. Just let it be known that if you have proven to be unreliable or inactive you won't be allowed to play next season. I'm hoping to run a small invite-only league of some sort, with only the most active of us playing. More details to come when playoffs start (and decisions that will be voted upon during playoffs.)
Being as that people have decided to become inactive, I'm going to stop updating the standings. Takes a long time to do when, in reality, all you need to do is launch the game to see them for yourself.
Jaycee has semi-withdrawn because he's moving in to a new house, shopping for a new house or something of this variety. Kielbasa will be gone, too, for one reason or the other. If you are playing against these players, you need to send me some kind of verification that you are alive, because I'm not going to give WOs to inactive people.
Playoffs have started. Megelrov, TwoTone, Catyoul and StorkHwaiting qualified from Division 1. potatoedoughnut, Lorgoth, TargetPractice/Numinous and Mexicanhat qualified from Division 2.
TargetPractice/Numinous has been MIA for a number of matchdays and it was a collective commissioner decision to replace him in the playoffs to avoid any byes (finally, something that the Blood Bowl client allowed us to customize.) Looking down the list to see who was next in line, we came across inactive after inactive after inactive person.
It was originally Stormtrout, but after contacting him, he respectfully decided he didn't want to play in the play-offs. Thus, somehow, some way, I managed to be the next in line, with a whopping 4 wins (2 of which were WOs). To any bystanders, please note that the prospect of me qualifying as the head admin seemed like it may come across overly selfish, but after a long talk with Catyoul regarding who would be next-in-line, I was somehow the only reasonable choice. Rest assured, I don't deserve it, but someone like me is the only reason Megelrov doesn't get a bye in the first round of playoffs.
Lately we've stopped streaming and recording games every day, for one reason or the other, but I hope each and every playoff game is streamed and announced in this thread. I know mine will be.
Thanks everyone for playing! It was a good league, but I'm relieved it's over. RIP, my child of a thread. The lessons learned from you will not be forgotten.
Below, I'll direct you to the threads for the next season(s), if there are any lurkers out there looking to find coverage/etc for the new games.
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