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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On November 11 2013 11:58 caelym wrote: use starcitygames.com or magic.tcgplayer.com to look up prices. Also if you play MTGO, http://mtgowikiprice.com/ is a good place for the price of online cards, though what they said is where you would go for paper. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On November 11 2013 12:23 hunts wrote: Also if you play MTGO, http://mtgowikiprice.com/ is a good place for the price of online cards, though what they said is where you would go for paper. Do you use the Hi - Mean - Low prices as a sort of general reference (buy on the low end, sell on the high end)? | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
As always I love the advice I get here on TL so was curious for everyone's thoughts on it. One note is I want to add Kalonian Hydra's but can't afford them atm, but I do know they should be there! TappedOut decklist: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hydramancer/ Hydramancer v1.41 Creatures (34) 4 Elvish Mystic 4 Experiment One 4 Gyre Sage 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Reverent Hunter 3 Vorel of the Hull Clade 3 Rubblebelt Raiders 4 Master Biomancer 4 Mistcutter Hydra Instants (6) 4 Simic Charm 2 Rapid Hybridzation Land (20) 4 Breeding Pool 4 Temple of Mystery 7 Forest 5 Island Let me know what you think and what I can add/remove  ! | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
On November 11 2013 13:24 slOosh wrote: Do you use the Hi - Mean - Low prices as a sort of general reference (buy on the low end, sell on the high end)? you can try, but people probably won't want to trade with you. it's important to be consistent, because if you start cherrypicking prices, they can as well. I like use starcitygames prices because even though it's overpriced compared to many options on tcg, it's consistently overpriced, which forms a good baseline for trading. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 11 2013 13:29 Diamond wrote: Working on a standard deck based around Master Biomancer and lots of fast big creatures. It's a bit of an aggro/combo deck, but there is no one required combo, everything syncs pretty well and the deck can "go off" in multiple ways. As always I love the advice I get here on TL so was curious for everyone's thoughts on it. One note is I want to add Kalonian Hydra's but can't afford them atm, but I do know they should be there! TappedOut decklist: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hydramancer/ Hydramancer v1.41 Creatures (34) 4 Elvish Mystic 4 Experiment One 4 Gyre Sage 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Reverent Hunter 3 Vorel of the Hull Clade 3 Rubblebelt Raiders 4 Master Biomancer 4 Mistcutter Hydra Instants (6) 4 Simic Charm 2 Rapid Hybridzation Land (20) 4 Breeding Pool 4 Temple of Mystery 7 Forest 5 Island Let me know what you think and what I can add/remove !Might want to state how serious you are regarding this stuff, because this is a tier 2 competitive deck at best. Otherwise I would actually take out Rubblebelt Raiders and Vorel for like Cloudfin Raptor and the Green God/artifact. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On November 11 2013 14:00 Judicator wrote: Might want to state how serious you are regarding this stuff, because this is a tier 2 competitive deck at best. Otherwise I would actually take out Rubblebelt Raiders and Vorel for like Cloudfin Raptor and the Green God/artifact. My mistake, it's not being designed to redefine standard or anything, just be a cool creative deck that can take some games off T1 decks, and do well vs the other t2 stuff. Semi-budget. I agree about Nylea, and had Cloudfin in before but the deck seemed too 1 drop heavy compared to a lot of other current decks. Will check it out however. Speaking of Nylea and Kalonian Hydra, does anyone have some they are not using atm on MTGO I can use for a day or two to test them out? Just don't have the $ for a week or so to buy them and want to preview it real quick so I can see if they work/don't work. | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
You really also need some card draw if you're going to be running all that ramp and very little in the way of high cost threats. A couple of opportunities or urban evolutions might help you capitalise on your capabilities | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
MB: 1 Temple of Deceit 1 Swamp 7 Forest 8 Island 1 Annul 2 Nylea's Ordeal 1 Aqueous Form 1 Voyage's End 1 Fade into Antiquity 1 Feral Invocation 1 Vaporkin 1 Omenspeaker 1 Voyaging Satyr 1 Opaline Unicorn 2 Agent of Horizons 2 Nimbus Naiad 1 Reverent Hunter 1 Nylea's Emissary 1 Reaper of the Wilds 1 Prognostic Sphinx 1 Sealock Monster 1 Nessian Asp 1 Vulpine Goliath 1 Horizon Scholar SB: 1 Gainsay 1 Hunt the Hunter 2 Shredding Winds I had a blast playing the deck, it was just my style. I'm very happy with the way I played barring one loose keep which could have turned a match loss into a win. Prognostic Sphinx is an absolute monster. Annul was soul crushing all day long. Coming into last round I was 6-1 (13-3 in games winning only 2 die rolls) playing off for first place in the swiss under the lights... and then I made a terrible mistake before the game had even begun. It turns out that just like you don't even joke about bombs at an airport, you don't joke about money at a PTQ. I was disqualified for bribery. What's funny is that the first thing my opponent to be said when we sat down was "so how bad do you want to get on the pro-tour?". I shrugged and responded "meh... well I'd certainly go if I won...". I'd decided earlier in the day that I would scoop to any of the guys from the local store if we met in the top-8. I'd get more enjoyment from seeing one of them make it than myself. My fate was already sealed. The emotions were running strong for about an hour afterwards. I wasn't sad and I wasn't angry. If there's a word to describe how I felt I don't know it. It was a truly bittersweet moment. It made me reflect on why I play magic and how much I really had in common with the kinds of people who generally make it to the top tables. After all, I don't care about winning or losing, just doing the best I can given the circumstances and sharing the moment with another human being. I asked myself what I'm really getting out of playing net-decks at FNM, spending hours watching vods, and incessantly reading articles and forums. I accepted that I had been in denial about yet another addiction in my life and that I'm ready to move on. It was a perfect moment. | ||
micronesia
United States24771 Posts
On November 12 2013 15:04 Mstring wrote: Coming into last round I was 6-1 (13-3 in games winning only 2 die rolls) playing off for first place in the swiss under the lights... and then I made a terrible mistake before the game had even begun. It turns out that just like you don't even joke about bombs at an airport, you don't joke about money at a PTQ. I was disqualified for bribery. I feel like I might regret bringing this up, but I think you should give more details about this part. | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
On November 12 2013 16:00 micronesia wrote: I feel like I might regret bringing this up, but I think you should give more details about this part. Sure. My opponent and I were talking about the long day and I mentioned that it was still another 3 hours for the victor, and then an additional 2.5 for myself to get home. He then said "well you're welcome to scoop" to which I responded (without thought; it just slipped out of my mouth) "depends how much money you have". Truly, I intended nothing of it --you couldn't even pay me to scoop in a friendly game-- but I don't need anyone to believe me. I hadn't even drawn my next breath before my opponent yelled for the judge. I could have denied what I said, it was just the two of us and the camera wasn't on yet, but I told the judge exactly what was said. It was ruled that even though I hadn't made an explicit offer, simply saying what I said indicated to my opponent that it was a possibility in my mind and that a genuine match result was compromised. I hope this answers your questions. There is no spirit at competitive REL, just the letter of rules. I learned this the only way I ever learn XD | ||
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On November 12 2013 16:00 micronesia wrote: I feel like I might regret bringing this up, but I think you should give more details about this part. I dont know the details for his case in particular, but in general the rule is pretty simple. Offering, discussing or accepting a prize split in exchange for a concession or a draw at any point except the finals is considered bribery, so the best thing to do really is not talk about it. | ||
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
On November 12 2013 16:26 Mstring wrote: Sure. My opponent and I were talking about the long day and I mentioned that it was still another 3 hours for the victor, and then an additional 2.5 for myself to get home. He then said "well you're welcome to scoop" to which I responded (without thought; it just slipped out of my mouth) "depends how much money you have". Truly, I intended nothing of it --you couldn't even pay me to scoop in a friendly game-- but I don't need anyone to believe me. I hadn't even drawn my next breath before my opponent yelled for the judge. I could have denied what I said, it was just the two of us and the camera wasn't on yet, but I told the judge exactly what was said. It was ruled that even though I hadn't made an explicit offer, simply saying what I said indicated to my opponent that it was a possibility in my mind and that a genuine match result was compromised. I hope this answers your questions. There is no spirit at competitive REL, just the letter of rules. I learned this the only way I ever learn XD Try not think your oppnent was trying to cheat you out of a win or the judge dicked you out of your win and in. Many newer players don't realize how serious Wizards is about gambling on/bribing events. So serious it's very likely that if you're opponent didn't call judge on you for saying that he would have likely gotten a DQ as well for not calling a judge's attention to this. Likewise if a judge lets something like that slide he will likely be barred from the DCI for a loooong time. The reason is Wizards can get into boat loads of legal trouble from government agencies if they have any sort of gambling going on. For example one of my friends was judging a local sealed PTQ and as the packs were being handed out he overhears two players making banter and how their talking about the terrible value this set is. One says to the other "I bet you $20 you won't break even on your pool." The other says "You're probably right, this set is garbage." As there were judges standing right near by handing out packs they kind of looked at eachother awkwardly, the closest judge says "I got this." and goes and talks to the head judge. The head judge comes back and DQ's both players for gambling and tells the other judges that you have to report this right away and if you don't it could result in a DCI ban. There was another one where someone just finsihed playing their last match to get to top 8. As he hands in the slip to a nearby judge he comments to his opponent, "Thanks for the games, my friend bet me this shirt I couldn't top 8." The judge practically drops an instant DQ on the guy and his opponent advances to top 8. Even if the authenticity of a match isn't comprimised you can get DQ'd for some pretty mild stuff if there is any talk of money outcomes. It sucks that banter can be interpreted like that sometimes and I'm really sorry you didn't get to play your match because of a joke. Hopefully you can have a repeat performance but with a top 8 this time! | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
On November 12 2013 22:44 red_hq wrote: Try not think your oppnent was trying to cheat you out of a win or the judge dicked you out of your win and in. Many newer players don't realize how serious Wizards is about gambling on/bribing events. So serious it's very likely that if you're opponent didn't call judge on you for saying that he would have likely gotten a DQ as well for not calling a judge's attention to this. Likewise if a judge lets something like that slide he will likely be barred from the DCI for a loooong time. The reason is Wizards can get into boat loads of legal trouble from government agencies if they have any sort of gambling going on. For example one of my friends was judging a local sealed PTQ and as the packs were being handed out he overhears two players making banter and how their talking about the terrible value this set is. One says to the other "I bet you $20 you won't break even on your pool." The other says "You're probably right, this set is garbage." As there were judges standing right near by handing out packs they kind of looked at eachother awkwardly, the closest judge says "I got this." and goes and talks to the head judge. The head judge comes back and DQ's both players for gambling and tells the other judges that you have to report this right away and if you don't it could result in a DCI ban. There was another one where someone just finsihed playing their last match to get to top 8. As he hands in the slip to a nearby judge he comments to his opponent, "Thanks for the games, my friend bet me this shirt I couldn't top 8." The judge practically drops an instant DQ on the guy and his opponent advances to top 8. Even if the authenticity of a match isn't comprimised you can get DQ'd for some pretty mild stuff if there is any talk of money outcomes. It sucks that banter can be interpreted like that sometimes and I'm really sorry you didn't get to play your match because of a joke. Hopefully you can have a repeat performance but with a top 8 this time! Thanks for the kind thoughts. I don't hold anything against the judges or my opponent (though I can't say the same for my team mates), they just did what they had to do. It was my ignorance that caused the situation so I accept full responsibility for what happened. I knew (or rather, learned) that it was taken seriously but didn't realise how deep it went until you mentioned repercussions for Wizards themselves! I think that when competition is so heavily driven by money and other forms of scarcity that perhaps there is no solution without flaw. This is what I meant by no spirit at competitive REL-- it is tainted by all the systems that must be put in place to keep out the dirtiness that comes along with money. Before this point, every competitive REL event I've played I choked at one point or another and felt extremely intimidated when facing a decorated player. This time I spent a lot of time learning the format, I built a solid deck, I was calm, and I played like a champion all day. I proved to myself that I've got what it takes and that's enough for now. I've started selling off all my cards (and wow did I have way more $$ invested than I thought :/) but I can't say I'm out forever. I just need a period of abstinence so that I can figure out a real goal to work towards more intelligently rather than playing as an addiction like I have been for the past 9 months. The scenarios you mention are genuinely ludicrous and it's good to know that I'm far from a unique case (and far from the worst!). The only thing that really bothered me was forfeiting my prize packs. As good as my sealed pool was, it was worth $10 at best, a day deep in the red indeed XD | ||
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micronesia
United States24771 Posts
He essentially told you to resign. You responded to his ridiculous notion with an obvious joke (assuming you are describing this accurately). Yelling for the judge was pretty poor sportsmanship... he obviously did it because he knew if you admitted it you would be dq'd even though you hadn't done anything "wrong". If I were you I would have said the whole thing started because my opponent was trying to intimidate me into resigning and you didn't feel safe without a judge, so you said something to quicken the process of getting the judge to come over... if either of us did something which requires a forfeit, then both did! DQ both of us! | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
On November 13 2013 00:23 micronesia wrote: Maybe the judge was required to do what (s)he did; I don't know the rules that well, and it can be a no-in situation regarding keeping the game/sport safe from scrutiny. I don't excuse the other player for taking advantage of the situation though. He essentially told you to resign. You responded to his ridiculous notion with an obvious joke (assuming you are describing this accurately). Yelling for the judge was pretty poor sportsmanship... he obviously did it because he knew if you admitted it you would be dq'd even though you hadn't done anything "wrong". If I were you I would have said the whole thing started because my opponent was trying to intimidate me into resigning and you didn't feel safe without a judge, so you said something to quicken the process of getting the judge to come over... if either of us did something which requires a forfeit, then both did! DQ both of us! Thanks for the sympathy my friend. I can't know the heart of my opponent, but even if he did intend to capitalise on the situation that's on his conscience and it's his karma to deal with. Lies got me into a lot of trouble through my teens so I've learned that honesty always leads to the best outcome even if from certain perspectives it might not seem to be the case. I'd rather cop it on the chin than try to manipulate the outcome and deal with the baggage that comes along with it. Because of this experience I'll be a stronger competitor next time than I would have otherwise been. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
Grats on the run and best of luck with other goals Mstring, I have no doubt you'll find success! | ||
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micronesia
United States24771 Posts
On November 13 2013 01:07 Cel.erity wrote: If your opponent offers you money to concede, even jokingly, and you then go on to play the match without saying anything, you will be DQed from the tournament because they can't prove that your result was genuine. It's just a necessity to call a judge in that situation. You don't know whether or not someone overheard your conversation and might report it. I would agree with this if an actual offer was made (and I agree with it in principle; even if you are hoping the judge will decide to let the players continue, covering yourself can be a necessity). On the other hand, I can see how the OPs joke inadvertently could put pressure on the opponent to report it, even if I don't think it's the right thing to do (once again, assuming the account is accurate). | ||
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