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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 12 2013 07:32 iGrok wrote: How on earth does that make it more broken? It requires you to have at least token blue presence (or win on that turn - but then pact would be played out of blue hive mind. It would no longer counter itself, and still wouldn't hit remand or leak. So what's the issue? Because blue combo can now use cantrips on turn 1 while countering your early plays and you can't run your own mental missteps in response to it. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On October 12 2013 08:35 Thieving Magpie wrote: Because blue combo can now use cantrips on turn 1 while countering your early plays and you can't run your own mental missteps in response to it. Right, because blue is so overwhelmingly powerful in modern that this is an issue. The only thing it's likely to hit is DRS, which needs -something- to keep it in check, and if they do counter DRS, they can't hit bob or tarm next turn. Edit: assuming we're using Jeff's bandits, neo-misstep would also help keep storm in check. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Like a flipped Delver can feasibly race a Goyf if given the right hand. There's nothing particularly strong about a turn 2 Goyf in most builds, Delver player can just as easily bounce it, or Threads it later. Blue's underpowered in Modern because just look at the ban list in its current state. That's some of Blue's most powerful cards and most powerful cards in general on that list. The thing about free counterspells is that they're hard to balance, Pact does a pretty nice job as does FoW since the cost isn't insignificant for the player. Mental Mistep on the other hand is a travesty. Force Spike for free (and some later) isn't fun magic. Tempo decks just live off of that stuff. Drop an early threat, make you dance my dance. This is to not mention the extreme disparity you see in a card like you proposed when you are on the play versus you are on the draw. What Blue needs...is Preordain or Ponder back, people whine about combo too much since reading the meta is what makes eternal formats fun. Legacy got better to watch when the field opened up and I don't see why Modern can't be the same. If you are going to have a format full of different decks, you can't exactly balance on the ban list and you really shouldn't. Probably should add a "/rant" here. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
At work and on phone, so my answers will probably be short. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 12 2013 09:46 iGrok wrote: That sounds like its precisely as fun as t1 DRS, t2 lili, kill your dude, except GB has 2 planeswalkers on the field at the end of that instead of a 3/2 flier. At work and on phone, so my answers will probably be short. But that doesn't kill you in 3 turns after the fact. The card investment is so low and in eternal formats the card quality is so high that if you lose a card to Force Spike effects, it's a pretty costly trade. I mean when you think about it, if I go turn one Delver pass, then counter your DRS, I am getting in 6 damage if I blind flip Delver. Then if I leave up 2 mana the rest of the way, you're about trade Lily for a Leak or any other counterspell. The trades are so good for Delver. For Jund, that line is good, but it only establishes a board for you to win off of. Delver lines are so stupid because that's all they really need at times. It's a matter of mana efficiency versus card quality. None of Delver's cards are near Jund's power level, but when you combine them, it gets degenerate. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
I get that you're not defending DRS, just defending most of the blue bans, I'm also half in rant mode atm. I'm sick of playing against midrange. When creatures get buffed, green gets buffed, and that's fine because it needed it, but black (removal) color gets buffed too. If I have to play against another GBx deck, I'm going to lose it. I don't like standard because it's not eternal, and legacy is rather static (though I'm strongly considering it). I'm apparently the only person who doesn't enjoy Theros draft (force UG, win). I'm just really unsure what to play now, other than commander with my friends. Even that isn't great, because my playgroup gets mad when I jhoira into kozilek. I absolutely hate playing midrange goodstuff.dec, and since that's 80% of what wins, I'm kind of stuck. My only option is tron, which im experimenting with, but jund is figuring that out and just playing more fulminator mages, which completely shuts tron down. Maybe I'll just play zombie hunt, boring as it is, at least it's worth a chuckle. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
Well I'm certainly glad I picked up my master of waves playset for $20 last weekend... Yeah, I managed to open a playset in various prereleases and drafts. Kept em around since I'm building purphomancer izzet and I figure it might make it in there at some point. Having them all go up to 20 bucks is nice XD | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Also, have there been deck techs or reveals of what CFB and SCG teams are running at PT Theros? All I know about that is its mono U Devotion, mono red devotion and BW good stuff.dec | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On October 13 2013 05:10 Kinie wrote: Personally speaking, if I had control over the ban list for modern, I would unban BTE, JTMS, Preordain, SFM and maybe Ponder, and ban Batterskull to take SFM's place. Also, have there been deck techs or reveals of what CFB and SCG teams are running at PT Theros? All I know about that is its mono U Devotion, mono red devotion and BW good stuff.dec There's monocolored decks for everything except white and black, there's Jund walkers, BR midrange/control, UBR and Junk. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/monowhite-12-10-13-1/ | ||
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Judicator
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
GB just shuts it down too hard. Golgi charm OP vs U, decent vs R, and abrupt/doomblade destroy R. Once GB sticks a threat, game over. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On October 13 2013 09:39 iGrok wrote: Devotion is well positioned for the meta, but will definitely go the way aristocrats: something that will bubble up from time to time, but never a T1 deck. GB just shuts it down too hard. Golgi charm OP vs U, decent vs R, and abrupt/doomblade destroy R. Once GB sticks a threat, game over. I don't think you've played very many games vs these decks. They are very resilient. I was playing Mono U earlier today and was able to beat an opposing board of obzedat, two blood baron, and an elspeth. Pithing needle was required for the elspeth but still. It's not as simple as land a threat gg. Golgari charm is OP vs blue version? what? Ok, it kills master of waves and judges familiar. Overall that is terrible. Hero's Downfall is probably best card. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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