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Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
January 10 2012 19:27 GMT
#2381
If it was 5/3 it would be a lot worse (bolt). It might see play in block but I doubt it.

I can't wait to see more cards!
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 19:47:44
January 10 2012 19:47 GMT
#2382
you can see more cards with JAR OF EYEBALLS

also, is Ghoultree both cheap and huge enough to be a Constructed playable big vanilla dude??
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 10 2012 20:12 GMT
#2383
10/10 is pretty beefy.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
January 10 2012 21:32 GMT
#2384
The new gravecrawler seems pretty good... R/B aggro seems really strong. You now have diregraf ghoul, the new gravecrawler, reckless waif, stromkirk nobel, stormblood berzerker, etc etc

Werewolves getting more combat tricks, not that they needed any more. The other green card, strangleroot geist, seems pretty good.

Naya seems to have gotten the best deal in terms of removal right now. Ancient grudge and the new Ray of revelation, along with o-rings and the regular red burn package. Green with beast within.

I don't see ghoultree being viable. For you to be able to play it, you need quite a few creatures in your deck to even have creatures to spare. Removal and tokens/small creatures are so prevalent right now that it would either just get chumped or killed immediately.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
January 10 2012 22:20 GMT
#2385
On January 11 2012 04:27 Ryan307 wrote:
If it was 5/3 it would be a lot worse (bolt). It might see play in block but I doubt it.

I can't wait to see more cards!

Pretty sure Bolt isn't legal in Standard.

Anyway, the Undying mechanic gives Pod decks a ton of more fun stuff to play with.
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
January 11 2012 00:25 GMT
#2386
On January 11 2012 07:20 scintilliaSD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 04:27 Ryan307 wrote:
If it was 5/3 it would be a lot worse (bolt). It might see play in block but I doubt it.

I can't wait to see more cards!

Pretty sure Bolt isn't legal in Standard.

Anyway, the Undying mechanic gives Pod decks a ton of more fun stuff to play with.

Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
January 11 2012 04:04 GMT
#2387
Glistening oil.

Phyrexia has found a new purpose.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 05:16:25
January 11 2012 05:16 GMT
#2388
Well, the spoilers today are definitely something for a lot of people to be hyped up about.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 13:17:13
January 11 2012 05:26 GMT
#2389
Today's spoilers:

Sorin, Lord of Innistrad 2BW 3 Loyalty

+1 - Put a 1/1 Vampire token with lifelink on the field.

-2 - Get an emblem that gives creatures +1/0

-6 Destroy 3 target creatures or planeswalkers then return them to your control.

HOKAY, so, you have a planeswalker that can protect himself and his life total, shit out emblems that act as anthems, and at best can basically win you the game if they have any sort of board presence at all. I'd say he's pretty good.

Secrets of the Dead 2U

When you cast a spell from the graveyard, Draw a card.

Burning Vengeance's Blue cousin.

Loyal Cathar // Unhallowed Cathar WW

Vigilance, flip when he dies.

Unhallowed Cathar can't block

2/2 flips into 2/1

Meh...

Moonveil Dragon 3RRR

Flying,
R: Each creature you control gets +1/0 until EOT

5/5

Shivan Dragon on crack.

Falkenrath Aristocrat 2BR

Flying, Haste
Sac a creature: Falkenrath Aristocrat is indestructable until EOT, if it was a human it gets a +1/+1 counter.

4/1

Limited bomb and reach for a B/R aggro deck that already got Gravecrawler? I'm thinking B/R aggro may be a real deck now.

Uber pumped for this set, it's looking great.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 11 2012 05:31 GMT
#2390
Sorin looks sick. B/W was always sick, but now I get to make good block decks around it? Solid.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 11 2012 05:49 GMT
#2391
Excuse my language.

Sorin, Lord of Innistrad: not a bitch.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
January 11 2012 12:47 GMT
#2392
sorin is definitely going to be playable. if anyone remembers how much a beating elspeth 1.0 was. not sure if hes better or worse in control decks.
it'll be interesting if a BW tokens deck springs up in std or modern.

secrets of the dead is funny. they do need abit more support on the flashback side of things if they want to make a second astral slide. we'll see if this becomes a real deck. one of the reason astral slide worked was cycling lands and how powerful white control elements were at the time

loyal cathar is decent and nothing to "meh" at. theres just alot of value for 2 mana. i mean he might not be exactly what white decks need in this meta. if you could build a manabase in this format that could reliably cast both this and the undying haste guy, you would probably have a super scary weenie deck.

i was going to say the falkenrath guy is not what a BR aggro deck needs, but then I saw his 4/1 stats. 4 power flier is pretty legit.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
January 11 2012 13:18 GMT
#2393
On January 11 2012 21:47 Orpheos wrote:
sorin is definitely going to be playable. if anyone remembers how much a beating elspeth 1.0 was. not sure if hes better or worse in control decks.
it'll be interesting if a BW tokens deck springs up in std or modern.

secrets of the dead is funny. they do need abit more support on the flashback side of things if they want to make a second astral slide. we'll see if this becomes a real deck. one of the reason astral slide worked was cycling lands and how powerful white control elements were at the time

loyal cathar is decent and nothing to "meh" at. theres just alot of value for 2 mana. i mean he might not be exactly what white decks need in this meta. if you could build a manabase in this format that could reliably cast both this and the undying haste guy, you would probably have a super scary weenie deck.

i was going to say the falkenrath guy is not what a BR aggro deck needs, but then I saw his 4/1 stats. 4 power flier is pretty legit.


Meh because it's another Doomed Traveler. It helps against control decks that rely on board sweepers (read Esper), and black dodges spot removal (he's black when flipped), but compared to the other cards spoiled today, he's not as exciting. He's a premier common to be sure, but not super exciting.

Also edited in the P/T on Falkenrath Aristocrat because I forgot ><
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
January 11 2012 13:28 GMT
#2394
doomed traveller is probably better in WU aggro because its more about honor and angelic. but you are severely underestimating the huge difference in 1 power vs 2. idk i guess i played magic during a different time so when i see these absurd 2 drops like this guy and the green haster i get much more excited than the next bomby-bomb card that control uses to win.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 15:18:29
January 11 2012 15:11 GMT
#2395
On January 11 2012 22:28 Orpheos wrote:
doomed traveller is probably better in WU aggro because its more about honor and angelic. but you are severely underestimating the huge difference in 1 power vs 2. idk i guess i played magic during a different time so when i see these absurd 2 drops like this guy and the green haster i get much more excited than the next bomby-bomb card that control uses to win.


What can I say, I'm a Johnny

Also, I'd trade 1 power for flying and the ability to block any day.
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
January 11 2012 15:21 GMT
#2396
It seems all the cards just keeping get stronger and stronger.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
January 11 2012 16:33 GMT
#2397
They do, its called power creep. This game would be boring if they just kept reprinting the same shit over and over again.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 11 2012 16:57 GMT
#2398
I am not sure if Sorin fits in Esper unless Esper gets a better mana base. His abilities are very relevant for sure, but seems more along the WB tokens theme than that. Turn 3 Lili to turn 4 Sorin is nice but that requires a signficant warping of your mana base. That said, he'll fit into my take on Esper right now.
Get it by your hands...
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
January 11 2012 20:00 GMT
#2399
With the current cards I don't see a deck for him. We'll have to wait for the rest of the set though. I think he's powerful but I think another set of enemy lands or something is what's needed to make him insane.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 11 2012 20:31 GMT
#2400
Notice all the common cards are "good" so far? I'm worried we won't see anymore

The hot little red riding hood is sexy as balls. Not of elf ramping caliber, but she looks like she can get there.
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