EPTOn May 24 2010 18:21 eStoniaNBoY wrote:
Pau = Dirk. Amare > Dirk?
Pau = Dirk. Amare > Dirk?
Pau Does not Equal Dirk...Not even close.
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
Pau Does not Equal Dirk...Not even close. | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
On May 24 2010 23:31 unknown.sam wrote: time to lose orlando! lal better finish off the suns in 5 so we can start the finals already. a great, competitive finals is the only way to save this year's playoffs. lmao yep! I wanted the lakers to win last night so they can sweep the suns. not because I like the lakers but because I wanted the celtics to smash them faster  | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On May 24 2010 16:50 Southlight wrote: Mike Brown got fired; not too surprising, really :x lol yeah not surprised at all, but I think its pretty funny how a coach can win coach of the year, then get fired the next. didn't he win the award for last season? | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
The only thing is that the zone is less worse than their previous scheme of doubling Gasol. Stoudemire is not a terrible defender in the right system. It was just a stupid scheme to have him try to front Gasol. On May 24 2010 21:55 NurseArial wrote: So glad the Suns won this one, but there is no way they are taking this series. It's going to be heartbreaking to see Nash retire with no rings. How sympathetic of you to have a broken heart while Nash is still in a 2-1 series. I wouldn't start any definite "no way" predictions when neither team has won a road game. I'm relatively sure no one predicted what we have seen so far. The Lakers have no answer for Amare now that the Suns started to feed him the ball, and it is unlikely the Suns bench and the 5% shooting Frye will continue their abnormal sucking. IMO Suns 4-2 in a reminiscent style of Miami over Dallas. Hm, last game Derek Fisher... 1. Chased down 7'0 Robin Lopez 2. Made Stoudemire bleed above the nose 3. Rebroke Nash's nose lol. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
IMO Suns 4-2 in a reminiscent style of Miami over Dallas. LAL unlike those Mavs, have game closers. Kobe, Fisher, Gasol, Artest - they get better as the pressure rises. I don't see it, but GL to the Suns. At the very least they extended this series a bit. | ||
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CSN
United States175 Posts
On May 25 2010 03:01 Servolisk wrote: I think the Laker's figured out the zone in the 3rd quarter, they scored 37 points. It's just not as bad as their previous defense. The only thing is that the zone is less worse than their previous scheme of doubling Gasol. Stoudemire is not a terrible defender in the right system. It was just a stupid scheme to have him try to front Gasol. How sympathetic of you to have a broken heart while Nash is still in a 2-1 series. I wouldn't start any definite "no way" predictions when neither team has won a road game. I'm relatively sure no one predicted what we have seen so far. The Lakers have no answer for Amare now that the Suns started to feed him the ball, and it is unlikely the Suns bench and the 5% shooting Frye will continue their abnormal sucking. IMO Suns 4-2 in a reminiscent style of Miami over Dallas. Hm, last game Derek Fisher... 1. Chased down 7'0 Robin Lopez 2. Made Stoudemire bleed above the nose 3. Rebroke Nash's nose lol. no way the suns are gonna win 4 games straight vs the lakers. Amare is a terrible defender no matter what system he is in. I'm pretty sure they'll have an answer for amare. it's not like they dont have the tools and talent to stop him. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 24 2010 21:55 NurseArial wrote: So glad the Suns won this one, but there is no way they are taking this series. It's going to be heartbreaking to see Nash retire with no rings. Oh Doc, don't you think you're jumping to conclusions too hastily? There's still at least 2 more games to be played out, and if the Suns can maintain the level they played at in game 3, they definitely have a shot. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On May 25 2010 04:20 CSN wrote: no way the suns are gonna win 4 games straight vs the lakers. Amare is a terrible defender no matter what system he is in. I'm pretty sure they'll have an answer for amare. it's not like they dont have the tools and talent to stop him. Amare's midrange jumpshot has been perfect, he can beat LA bigs off the dribble and score through help defenders, run the pick and roll perfectly, and can make difficult shots in the paint (leads NBA in points in the paint). It's going to take a lot to stop them and I doubt they can unless Nash is injured again. I think now that Nash's eye/depth perception is back to normal they were able to feed Amare easier and run their offense better. Whatever LA tries to do they will be punished in some way. They will need to help on Amare and Nash on the pick and roll or one of them will score. If they help, someone else has a wide open shot, and unlike the Lakers the Suns are good at spot up shooting. Like that play when Nash and Stoudemire started a pick and roll and they had 4 people crowding them and Nash could pass to Lopez right by the basket and no one was able to move on him or they would leave Stoudemire a dunk. Lopez is another big factor. He played 31 minutes and was excellent and a huge reason for the Suns winning. With him and Stoudemire playing a lot of minutes the Suns frontcourt >>> LA front court. So the Suns have 3 huge things they did not have at the beginning, they start to feed Stoudemire, Nash is recovered, and Lopez is 100%. If their bench gets out of their horrific shooting as they should the Lakers have no shot. I really only see LA winning if Artest can hit his open shots and Odom has another lucky game. :o | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
On May 25 2010 05:51 MYM.Testie wrote: As much as I love Nash, they're not going to get 22 more FT attempts every game. They simply don't have the defense to make L.A. shoot a low %. Lakers 4-1 or 4-2. If they could take it to 7 games it would be really cool but I don't think they have it in them. It's sad this is true. I want Nash to get a ring. I just don't think the Suns are a better basketball team then the Lakers. Their best players have to play their absolute best every game for the Suns to win, the rest of the team is just too inconsistent. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On May 25 2010 05:36 Roffles wrote: No one's denying that Amare is a talented offensive player. As much as he brings to the table offensively, he's pretty much a black hole on defense. The guy can't guard anything to save his life. Yes, he can run the Pick and Roll on offense, but he's literally clueless when it comes to defending it. Are you saying clueless because of the 2 games at LA? He obviously was off in those games but more importantly they used a very stupid scheme which was not executed as a team, and they were basically out of sync those games. Looking at the entire season, playoffs, and game 3 all says those 2 games were an aberation. Especially when they dropped there previous scheme and have Lopez playing more. Yesterday the Suns made the Lakers find open spot up shooters and the role players shot pretty poorly. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On May 25 2010 05:51 MYM.Testie wrote: As much as I love Nash, they're not going to get 22 more FT attempts every game. They got 22 more for a reason. They drew contact and drove inside, LA shot jumpshots. Surprisingly when you watch the replays the Suns could have easily shot more free throws, Stoudemire was fouled quite a few times with contact in the air and restricted area which were let go, he could have shot 10 more: http://www.nba.com/video/channels/top_plays/2010/05/23/20100523_nn.nba/ I think the Lakers need to score 120 a game to win. Their offense actually figured the zone out in the second half but they couldn't stop Phoenix from scoring. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 25 2010 05:57 Servolisk wrote: Are you saying clueless because of the 2 games at LA? He obviously was off in those games but more importantly they used a very stupid scheme which was not executed as a team, and they were basically out of sync those games. Looking at the entire season, playoffs, and game 3 all says those 2 games were an aberation. Especially when they dropped there previous scheme and have Lopez playing more. Yesterday the Suns made the Lakers find open spot up shooters and the role players shot pretty poorly. He's looked better this year because he's been able to stay on the court more often, challenging less shots at the rim and picking up less fouls. But his fundamentals and footwork are still lacking, and he's always known to be a lazy defender, and that won't work when you're guarding against the pick and roll. Sure, you can fault Nash a bit, but Amare's still a huge liability on defense, and when the Suns have never been known to be a good defensive team, it just magnifies his liabilities. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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Make7UpYours
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While I think Amare has turned a corner in game 3, it'd be a bit much to expect him to drop another 42 considering that was tying his career high in playoff points. Something in the range of 28-32 points is far more likely, and that advantage is gonna be a bit less since I expect Odom to rebound with a stronger game (Odom has traditionally played very well against the Suns; I'd say game 3 was more of an aberration for him than reverting to the norm). The Suns bench really needs to show up in force. Like Servolisk said, the Lakers have likely figured out the zone and will have made the necessary adjustments to break it in game 4. As great as it was for the Suns to win last night with poor 3-point shooting, I don't see them winning another 3 games shooting so poorly from behind the arc. At some point the bench that was so highly touted coming into the WCF needs to actually play up to their hype. So far the Lakers bench has been performing better. | ||
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Ace
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On May 25 2010 06:27 KOFgokuon wrote: It's not really a secret that Amare focuses almost completely on offense and barely cares at all on defense, I dunno where you come off thinking that he knows what he's doing >< it's not a scheme that makes him look bad (at least not only..) he's just clueless and doesn't try Unlike previous years, people did not really think that this year until the debacles in games 1-2. He is an average defender with an athletic advantage and good size, who sometimes plays great defense. Before this series there was no one who thought that Amare < Nash on defense, but now everyone does, I think that's overreacting. When there is a bad scheme and someone is not playing their best defense they might look worse, it is a team defensive breakdown as a whole. His defense was actually very good in game 3, don't you think? The 23 Gasol scored, I am not sure if any were on Amare? Not that I remember, but I missed the opening of the 3rd... This vid is a decent explanation of Amare over games 1-2. It basically shows that Amare did not play good defense, but he is not the defensive horror people decided he was :p | ||
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