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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
February 04 2010 04:58 GMT
#41
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I'm not a big fan of 3. e5, considering it becomes similar to the french defense, but with black being able to free his weak light squared bishop before blockading the pawn structure with e6. IMO livelier play with Caro-Kann is 3. Nc3
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
February 04 2010 05:16 GMT
#42
3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 or Bd3
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Tich
Profile Joined February 2008
Mexico29 Posts
February 04 2010 06:29 GMT
#43
If I could still join for the game, I'd like to vote for e x d5.
“Sometimes, you must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one”. Mikhail Tal
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-04 07:13:07
February 04 2010 06:48 GMT
#44
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e5 is not the best move in the caro because it basically gives black a game that is better than the French Defense. And the French is pretty solid. I think we should stick to the main lines. Just because jfazz knows what he is doing doesnt mean we should just avoid the mainlines because we're scared of playing them. We're not. We are capable and playing them. Its a correspondence game, its not like we can't figure this out, and its not like jfazz will be so shocked at a change in opening that he starts making errors. The main line of the caro is actually pretty good for white.

Jfazz will probably play the Bf5 line instead of the Nd7. After

3. Nc3 dxe4
4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Ng3 Bg6
6. Nf3 Nd7 (not h4, I think the h4 line just gives white a weakness)
7. Bd3 Bxd3
8. Qxd3 e6
9. Bf4 Ngf6
10. 0-0

I think we're fine.

exd5...just gives up the center for no reason. I sometimes like the exchange in the French because the light square bishop is good on the a2-g8 diagonal. But with the caro exchange, the e6 pawn makes that play rather useless. Plus, the c6-e6 structure in the main line can cramp black's game. With the c pawn gone black has plenty of options and can develop his queenside knight to c6 normally. I think black gets too much from the exchange. And the advance.

3. f3 dxe4
4. fxe4 e5!

Busting open the center and threatening things like Qh4+.

5. Nf3 exd4
6. Qxd4 Qxd4

...and any chances of an attacking game are lost. We also are saddled with an isolated pawn. Not all too good if you ask me.


I vote for 3. Nc3
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jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
February 04 2010 14:22 GMT
#45
3. Nc3
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lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
February 04 2010 18:39 GMT
#46
hey, sorry for joining late, I've been very busy at work but count me in

3. Nc3.

backing up everything incognito said.

I also have to respond the analysis on my match # 2. I'll take care of that
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
February 04 2010 18:50 GMT
#47
On February 04 2010 09:04 Chunkybuddha wrote:
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If you move f3 then you must move your knight after.

If 3. e5 ... c5 4. be3 cxd4 5.bxd4 nc6 6. Bb5 leaving an even position.

If 3. f3 dxe4 4. nc3 (... e5 5. dxe5 qxq nxd1) or g6 fianchettoing his bishop giving him a better position imo. ( I hate playing against fianchetto, messes up a lot of things.)

I like f3 still better than e5. e5 is playing a draw game anyway.

Vote f3


Your vote should not be in the spoiler. The point is to let host know your vote, but not what you're thinking :-)

He voted for 3. f3 btw.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
February 05 2010 00:53 GMT
#48
Thanks, it currently stands as:

3.e5 - Advance Variation, 6 votes
3. Nc3 AND Nd2 (counted together due to the obvious transposition) - Classical System, 7 votes
3. exd5 - Exchange Variation or Panov Potvinnik Attack, 4 votes
3.f3 - Fantasy Variation, 1 vote

11 hours to go!
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
February 05 2010 02:06 GMT
#49
I'll go with Incognito.

3. Nc3
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
February 05 2010 12:21 GMT
#50
UPDATE

3.Nc3 exd5


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[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
February 05 2010 15:43 GMT
#51
4. Nxe4
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 15:53:53
February 05 2010 15:52 GMT
#52
edit: Can I play or is it too late now?
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Yeah we already commited our followup here.
4. Nxe4
I like our position after that.
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Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 15:56:02
February 05 2010 15:53 GMT
#53
On February 05 2010 21:21 jfazz wrote:
UPDATE

3.Nc3 exd5


dxe4 jfazz :p

Edit: Yeah Nxe4
Double Edit: I messed up too
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
February 05 2010 15:55 GMT
#54
On February 06 2010 00:53 Arhkangel wrote:
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On February 05 2010 21:21 jfazz wrote:
UPDATE

3.Nc3 exd5


dxe5 jfazz :p

dxe4 owned?
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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
February 05 2010 16:00 GMT
#55
The move list on the first page shows 2.d5 d5 as well.

4.Nxe4
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
February 05 2010 16:43 GMT
#56
Do people still use descriptive notation at all?

4. NxP
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[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 16:57:53
February 05 2010 16:54 GMT
#57
On February 06 2010 01:00 Ikari wrote:
The move list on the first page shows 2.d5 d5 as well.

4.Nxe4


2. d5 d5 is the rarely seen Schrodinger's opening. The square is simultaneously inhabited by both the black pawn and the white pawn, and only at the moment of making another move does the system collapse into a definite state. Some players, however, advocate the "many boards" theory, in which two games are played, one in which black captures the square, and one in which white does the same.
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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 17:18:21
February 05 2010 17:13 GMT
#58
On February 06 2010 01:54 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2010 01:00 Ikari wrote:
The move list on the first page shows 2.d5 d5 as well.

4.Nxe4


2. d5 d5 is the rarely seen Schrodinger's opening. The square is simultaneously inhabited by both the black pawn and the white pawn, and only at the moment of making another move does the system collapse into a definite state. Some players, however, advocate the "many boards" theory, in which two games are played, one in which black captures the square, and one in which white does the same.

Oh wow haha. If only that were true. If white could play d5 so early.
God Mode: Alt+F4
Tich
Profile Joined February 2008
Mexico29 Posts
February 05 2010 17:38 GMT
#59
I vote for N x e4
“Sometimes, you must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one”. Mikhail Tal
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 05 2010 18:03 GMT
#60
4. Nxe4
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