I'm not a big fan of 3. e5, considering it becomes similar to the french defense, but with black being able to free his weak light squared bishop before blockading the pawn structure with e6. IMO livelier play with Caro-Kann is 3. Nc3
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broz0rs
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O-ops
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Tich
Mexico29 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
e5 is not the best move in the caro because it basically gives black a game that is better than the French Defense. And the French is pretty solid. I think we should stick to the main lines. Just because jfazz knows what he is doing doesnt mean we should just avoid the mainlines because we're scared of playing them. We're not. We are capable and playing them. Its a correspondence game, its not like we can't figure this out, and its not like jfazz will be so shocked at a change in opening that he starts making errors. The main line of the caro is actually pretty good for white. Jfazz will probably play the Bf5 line instead of the Nd7. After 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. Nf3 Nd7 (not h4, I think the h4 line just gives white a weakness) 7. Bd3 Bxd3 8. Qxd3 e6 9. Bf4 Ngf6 10. 0-0 I think we're fine. exd5...just gives up the center for no reason. I sometimes like the exchange in the French because the light square bishop is good on the a2-g8 diagonal. But with the caro exchange, the e6 pawn makes that play rather useless. Plus, the c6-e6 structure in the main line can cramp black's game. With the c pawn gone black has plenty of options and can develop his queenside knight to c6 normally. I think black gets too much from the exchange. And the advance. 3. f3 dxe4 4. fxe4 e5! Busting open the center and threatening things like Qh4+. 5. Nf3 exd4 6. Qxd4 Qxd4 ...and any chances of an attacking game are lost. We also are saddled with an isolated pawn. Not all too good if you ask me. I vote for 3. Nc3 | ||
jeddus
United States832 Posts
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lightman
United States731 Posts
3. Nc3. backing up everything incognito said. I also have to respond the analysis on my match # 2. I'll take care of that | ||
citi.zen
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On February 04 2010 09:04 Chunkybuddha wrote: + Show Spoiler + If you move f3 then you must move your knight after. If 3. e5 ... c5 4. be3 cxd4 5.bxd4 nc6 6. Bb5 leaving an even position. If 3. f3 dxe4 4. nc3 (... e5 5. dxe5 qxq nxd1) or g6 fianchettoing his bishop giving him a better position imo. ( I hate playing against fianchetto, messes up a lot of things.) I like f3 still better than e5. e5 is playing a draw game anyway. Vote f3 Your vote should not be in the spoiler. The point is to let host know your vote, but not what you're thinking :-) He voted for 3. f3 btw. | ||
jfazz
Australia672 Posts
3.e5 - Advance Variation, 6 votes 3. Nc3 AND Nd2 (counted together due to the obvious transposition) - Classical System, 7 votes 3. exd5 - Exchange Variation or Panov Potvinnik Attack, 4 votes 3.f3 - Fantasy Variation, 1 vote 11 hours to go! | ||
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Mystlord
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United States10264 Posts
3. Nc3 | ||
jfazz
Australia672 Posts
3.Nc3 exd5 ![]() | ||
[NyC]HoBbes
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Yeah we already commited our followup here. 4. Nxe4 I like our position after that. | ||
Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
On February 05 2010 21:21 jfazz wrote: UPDATE 3.Nc3 exd5 dxe4 jfazz :p Edit: Yeah Nxe4 Double Edit: I messed up too | ||
Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
dxe4 owned? | ||
Ikari
United States176 Posts
4.Nxe4 | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
4. NxP | ||
[NyC]HoBbes
United States803 Posts
On February 06 2010 01:00 Ikari wrote: The move list on the first page shows 2.d5 d5 as well. 4.Nxe4 2. d5 d5 is the rarely seen Schrodinger's opening. The square is simultaneously inhabited by both the black pawn and the white pawn, and only at the moment of making another move does the system collapse into a definite state. Some players, however, advocate the "many boards" theory, in which two games are played, one in which black captures the square, and one in which white does the same. | ||
Ikari
United States176 Posts
On February 06 2010 01:54 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: 2. d5 d5 is the rarely seen Schrodinger's opening. The square is simultaneously inhabited by both the black pawn and the white pawn, and only at the moment of making another move does the system collapse into a definite state. Some players, however, advocate the "many boards" theory, in which two games are played, one in which black captures the square, and one in which white does the same. Oh wow haha. If only that were true. If white could play d5 so early. | ||
Tich
Mexico29 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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