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[Mahjong]Tenhou Thread - Page 30
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mtvacuum
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spinesheath
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KyuuSC
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Rhaegar99
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
You are 16200 ahead of 2nd place and 2 shanten. 2 players are (or should be) tenpai. West probably is wating for Chun or already has a triplet of them. Does he even have any other ways to win? Defend. Conveniently enough discarding the 4p doesn't even hurt your shanten while being a genbutsu. Then again your shanten doesn't matter here because you can't get rid of the Chun anyways and won't draw another one either. Or... are you trying to be sneaky and discard the Chun? That would actually be pretty damn sweet. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Fold completely. Chun is outrageously dangerous tile I'll never discard, and there is enough safe tiles on the hand. Another factor in consideration: first place, low value hand, bad wait, not enough dora North tiles on the board. Ideal order of discard would be 2p, 4p, 1p, 3p (heavier focus on North than West with his joke hand). There's probably something I am missing, but I wouldn't have time to think more than that within 10s anyway. Edit: Read the comment above, I can see why you would want to discard the Chun, since only way for West hand to be viable is Chuns. Pass the hand cheaply. Still there's chance that he - being last place - is just kanning in hope of someone else dealing into massive hand. Also I wouldn't understand why he would throw away pair of 1 if chun is his winning tile (so his previous hand would be 1-1-red-red). Not worth the attempt. | ||
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Hesmyrr
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + West has a pair of Chun and any other pair. You can see that he tsumokiri'd everything after the red 5m since he wouldn't want to break up his tenpai even with a shitty hand. I would obviously like to know when he made those calls, but since he called 888s and 123s you can assume that he had 2 Chun very early. He wouldn't call those with 666m in hand if he's not planning to win the hand. It's pretty crazy how much you can read from this hand... | ||
Tenhou
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On February 23 2014 04:40 Hesmyrr wrote: + Show Spoiler + Fold completely. Chun is outrageously dangerous tile I'll never discard, and there is enough safe tiles on the hand. Another factor in consideration: first place, low value hand, bad wait, not enough dora North tiles on the board. Ideal order of discard would be 2p, 4p, 1p, 3p (heavier focus on North than West with his joke hand). There's probably something I am missing, but I wouldn't have time to think more than that within 10s anyway. Edit: Read the comment above, I can see why you would want to discard the Chun, since only way for West hand to be viable is Chuns. Pass the hand cheaply. Still there's chance that he - being last place - is just kanning in hope of someone else dealing into massive hand. Also I wouldn't understand why he would throw away pair of 1 if chun is his winning tile (so his previous hand would be 1-1-red-red). Not worth the attempt. + Show Spoiler + But we don't know for sure if he discard the pair of 1m in his hand. It could be 2 consecutive draw and discard. He could possibly have Pei Pei Chun Chun in his hand. Of course I would fold right away as this hand is not worth it. There's 6 draws left and you got 4 safe tiles. On February 10 2014 22:26 S1eth wrote: Riichi button is too tempting. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QkYB10S.png) I can never play again if I pass on a chihou. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On February 23 2014 05:15 spinesheath wrote: Reply to Hesmyrr: + Show Spoiler + West has a pair of Chun and any other pair. You can see that he tsumokiri'd everything after the red 5m since he wouldn't want to break up his tenpai even with a shitty hand. I would obviously like to know when he made those calls, but since he called 888s and 123s you can assume that he had 2 Chun very early. He wouldn't call those with 666m in hand if he's not planning to win the hand. It's pretty crazy how much you can read from this hand... + Show Spoiler + Wow, I missed that red 5m. Looks like your option is far better choice. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On February 23 2014 05:31 Hesmyrr wrote: + Show Spoiler + Wow, I missed that red 5m. Looks like your option is far better choice. + Show Spoiler + Actually I am not reading anything into the 5m, it's just that those tiles are greyed out in the pond, which means they were discarded the turn they were drawn. So he never had 11m in hand. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On February 23 2014 05:54 spinesheath wrote: + Show Spoiler + Actually I am not reading anything into the 5m, it's just that those tiles are greyed out in the pond, which means they were discarded the turn they were drawn. So he never had 11m in hand. + Show Spoiler + I see. Never used premium client before, sure seems convenient function. Guess it's not available on free online client? | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Showing tsumokiri as greyed out discards is only for replays (although the data is available to the client during the game, it's just not displayed like that). And if I'm not mistaken that screenshot isn't from the premium client. I read somewhere that once upon a time the client displayed tsumokiri in the pond, but they took it out again because people didn't like it. So now you have to watch your opponent and remember for each tile if it came from the draw or from the hand. Tiles from the hand are shown as coming from a random slot in the hand though, so no reading into that. | ||
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Hesmyrr
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Rhaegar99
Australia1190 Posts
Each option has a few scenarios that may happen. From most likely to least likely, by playing betaori: 1. South wins off east or north - Again we can say its most likely a mangan hand. Not too bad of a situation for us here but we are still within firing range especially since south becomes the dealer in the next round. 2. North plays riichi - Theres no reason for north not to play riichi if he is in tenpai and not playing betaori. This give us another candidate for a possible haneman. 3. South wins a haneman off west - The best case scenario for us. Ends the game 4. South tsumos - The worst case scenario when playing betaori; we can assume a minimum mangan hand which puts south within a few thousand points of us. 5. Draw - A good result for us. 6. West wins off south or north - We keep our lead and go into the next round! By playing chun: 7. Deal into south with no doras - 1300 points. 8. Deal into south with 2 north tiles - This becomes a 40fu 3han hand which turns out to be 5200 points. 9. Double ron - Probably the only thing that made me use up my thinking time. If south had the other chun tile, he could also play riichi with a single wait on chun as his only chance to win the round. Unlikely, but still a possibility. 10. Nothing happens - Very unlikely lol. With north and west not playing betaori, I though that a majority of the times, 2nd or 3rd place will gain on us a significant amount if I played betaori. By playing the chun, I though there would be about a 95% or so chance i will deal in with a maximum of 5200 with at least 50% of it being only 1300 points. With this, I believe chun was the best play here. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ixk2NQT.png) Also for those who didn't know, tiles that are 1 or 2 above and below from the riichi tile are consider very dangerous tiles to play. In this example, 4p 7p would be considered bad tiles to play due to the 556p pattern. There is also the 554p pattern but the 3p has already been played here. | ||
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spinesheath
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Rhaegar99
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Benawii
United States51 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.cubeupload.com/eJ0Nyw.png) | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 9 Man. | ||
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Benawii
United States51 Posts
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