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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
January 10 2010 17:53 GMT
#61
Is the engine scanning the reason why gms prefer to play on ICC instead of some other chess server? Just wondering why it is popular despite not having free membership at all.
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Quint
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
467 Posts
January 10 2010 18:08 GMT
#62
On January 11 2010 02:53 cascades wrote:
Is the engine scanning the reason why gms prefer to play on ICC instead of some other chess server? Just wondering why it is popular despite not having free membership at all.


I think like playchess.com, ICC too is free for every FM/IM/GM. I don't know about the security measures on ICC, but playchess.com is in a lot of ways like battle.net (or east): lots of lower ranked players, lots of BM, many cheaters. ICC on the other hand is the place to be if you are serious about practicing over the internet against a big pool of really strong players. A 25xx ranking on ICC is _a lot_ better than on freechess.com.

I can't wait for the stream btw, looking forward to see whether you vocalize the moves or make general comments about how to deal with certain positions - also, maybe 15 minute games would be better so you don't lose too much time while commentating.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 11 2010 13:31 GMT
#63
exalted wrote:
Sort of an off-topic Q that doesn't need to be answered - what's your current occupation? Pretty sure you are over 30...or late 20s .-.


Haha. That late twenties or early thirties works just fine there. And I'm kind of in the scholastic sphere. It's not my dream job, but it's better than anything else would be so far. And you never know.

Athos wrote:
Show nested quote +
TeH_Mentalist wrote:
why are you guys undermining "ICC" and using it as an abreviation for chess when it's obviously for starcraft? It really confused me T_T

Internet Chess Club


Yes pretty much so. ICCup is like... ICCup everywhere I've seen it. It's just two letters more than ICC, which is not much. Internet Chess Club is just so long that we lazy people love to refer to it as ICC.

cascades wrote:
Is the engine scanning the reason why gms prefer to play on ICC instead of some other chess server? Just wondering why it is popular despite not having free membership at all.


No I don't think so. It's because ICC is professional. Not just a hobby or leisure site like many others. And it's friendly. It opened me up, which is no small feat. It has a lot of features that keeps you busy. But yes, the cheating detection does help improving it. I mean you play there IM, GM or just a standard noobie. You won't just get flamed. You play good, you get credit for it. And it matters. I think main the reason why a lot of real good players are avoiding hobby sites is the constant accusations. I don't mean better players care, because they don't. But look at it this way: if you like a community and it's a fun little place to be at but you can only play against weak players or cheaters, and if you win you still get flamed constantly, where players worse than you but far more vocal gets appraised over no limits for opinions on chess which not only untrue but so dumb it's not even funny - and on the other hand you have a community and site which is friendly and accepts you without trying to penetrate your private sphere, plus you can play even the best of the world if you can cope with it... I know which you would choose to play at.

On January 11 2010 03:08 Quint wrote:
I think like playchess.com, ICC too is free for every FM/IM/GM. I don't know about the security measures on ICC, but playchess.com is in a lot of ways like battle.net (or east): lots of lower ranked players, lots of BM, many cheaters. ICC on the other hand is the place to be if you are serious about practicing over the internet against a big pool of really strong players. A 25xx ranking on ICC is _a lot_ better than on freechess.com.

I can't wait for the stream btw, looking forward to see whether you vocalize the moves or make general comments about how to deal with certain positions - also, maybe 15 minute games would be better so you don't lose too much time while commentating.


I don't think playchess would have many cheaters. I can't talk of personal experience yet, but it's the product of ChessBase. It would be a shame if they let cheaters run amok on their sites where Kasparov plays as well.

About the time loss we will see. I'm sure there'll be a lot of games when it won't be an issue even if I commentate real time. Of course if I played someone like Loeky I would probably be more silent throughout the game.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 11 2010 13:33 GMT
#64
Hm. Maybe I should try commentate on a few SC games when I'm not in the mood for chess as well. Who knows I might even turn up good for all I know.
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
January 11 2010 14:06 GMT
#65
im confused.. you're going to be streaming yourself playing quick high level chess matches and commentate them.. so we watch and become good at chess? yea?
Entusman #51
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 11 2010 14:08 GMT
#66
lol.

I don't think you'll become good just by watching me, but yes. It's not like you watch Brood War to get good by watching either, I think. It's more of an entertainment/amusement factor.

So far everyone's keep telling me how I should rant and diss and BM while playing, which seems to underline the amusement part.

A little offtopic. Is Chill really from Calgary?
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
January 11 2010 14:46 GMT
#67
On January 11 2010 23:08 Ng5 wrote:
lol.

I don't think you'll become good just by watching me, but yes. It's not like you watch Brood War to get good by watching either, I think. It's more of an entertainment/amusement factor.

So far everyone's keep telling me how I should rant and diss and BM while playing, which seems to underline the amusement part.

A little offtopic. Is Chill really from Calgary?

lol i dont want to be "good" i just want to be able to beat friends and family lol.
like when i play chess.. i just make sure that when i move i wont lose any pieces that turn lol. and just try to notice if they make a slip up.. for me theres no strategy involved in chess lol. I want to learn a bit of strategy lol. nothing serious lol
Entusman #51
hefty
Profile Joined January 2005
Denmark555 Posts
January 12 2010 02:53 GMT
#68
On January 11 2010 23:46 Mobius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2010 23:08 Ng5 wrote:
lol.

I don't think you'll become good just by watching me, but yes. It's not like you watch Brood War to get good by watching either, I think. It's more of an entertainment/amusement factor.

So far everyone's keep telling me how I should rant and diss and BM while playing, which seems to underline the amusement part.

A little offtopic. Is Chill really from Calgary?

lol i dont want to be "good" i just want to be able to beat friends and family lol.
like when i play chess.. i just make sure that when i move i wont lose any pieces that turn lol. and just try to notice if they make a slip up.. for me theres no strategy involved in chess lol. I want to learn a bit of strategy lol. nothing serious lol


If that is your level I am sure you will be able to learn something from a commentated high level game. Chess has a a lot of "basics" which will drastically improve your game once you begin to understand/implement them. On the other hand, expect to feel dumbfounded by alot of moves as well - I know I do. Chess is one of those games that are played at so many levels, and the gap between these are huge. I know enough to comfortably beat friends and relatives who just like to play on occasions, but I have a snowball's chance in hell when playing one of my friends who is a quite decent club player.

Key to enjoying chess is, much like starcraft, to accept that there's always many people who are a great many times better than you. But if you are able to appreciate working to improve your own game and enjoy the victories this gives you at your level, the game has something to offer you the rest of your life.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 12 2010 07:47 GMT
#69
I'm trying to get an IM for guest appearance on my first stream. Just to kick it off in style. We have a common longer time control game we both really appreciate and liked. It should be fun.

Plus I have a great game I had against a GM which I plan to go through in the first few streams. After I get a little established we could also run through some of your games, too - to make it a little more personal and all.

I'll also try to get a few people I know to play longer games, maybe a WIM or some other titled players I got to know along last year.

I don't know how it'll go in the long run, but I think for the first month it should be worthwhile. And I'm pretty sure people would have fun watching me. After all these years I have a few stories, as an icing. It should be fine. And if I run out of stories or get too repetitive we'll just think up something, won't we?

As you see I have some of plans and even though I've always felt that I don't know enough of chess to properly give lectures to anyone - somehow when I start talking about it I can talk a hole in the wall...

I really hope the provider comes over today and I'll get the cable. After that I'm just gonna clean install my pc because I have too much crap on it and I'm good to go. Let's cross fingers.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 12 2010 07:52 GMT
#70
an idea would be a TeamLiquid tournament to win a chance to play you on stream
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 12 2010 07:56 GMT
#71
I popped up the idea to play simultan. I'm not sure everyone knew what it was.

A simultan is when one player plays versus many at once. The giver is usually always white on all boards.

In real life practice the challengers are lined up and have enough time to think until the simul giver makes a round through them.

On ICC it's mostly just several long time control games played at once.

Since ICC has a trial period when we have enough interested players we could play it there, since you wouldn't need to pay for it.

Or I might get them to give free accounts for the time of one simul as long as it's not to often. That's a slight chance and couldn't be more often than say... every half year or so, but so far I found the admins very-very nice there and they are appreciating high rated players doing events.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 19 2010 10:29 GMT
#72
Finally.

My new provider is coming over today. I'll be able to sort out my PC in the afternoon so all should be set by thursday.

I have two questions till then.

First. Should I wait for ChessMax's (IM) reply and try launching the first ever cast with him as a guest, analysing our simultan game together or should I start off with something on my own asap?

Second. Do you know of any messenger programs that have an msn plug-in and that doesn't show email addresses. It only matters for one sole person in my contact list.

Hell it's about time.
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
January 19 2010 11:39 GMT
#73
On January 12 2010 11:53 hefty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2010 23:46 Mobius wrote:
On January 11 2010 23:08 Ng5 wrote:
lol.

I don't think you'll become good just by watching me, but yes. It's not like you watch Brood War to get good by watching either, I think. It's more of an entertainment/amusement factor.

So far everyone's keep telling me how I should rant and diss and BM while playing, which seems to underline the amusement part.

A little offtopic. Is Chill really from Calgary?

lol i dont want to be "good" i just want to be able to beat friends and family lol.
like when i play chess.. i just make sure that when i move i wont lose any pieces that turn lol. and just try to notice if they make a slip up.. for me theres no strategy involved in chess lol. I want to learn a bit of strategy lol. nothing serious lol


If that is your level I am sure you will be able to learn something from a commentated high level game. Chess has a a lot of "basics" which will drastically improve your game once you begin to understand/implement them. On the other hand, expect to feel dumbfounded by alot of moves as well - I know I do. Chess is one of those games that are played at so many levels, and the gap between these are huge. I know enough to comfortably beat friends and relatives who just like to play on occasions, but I have a snowball's chance in hell when playing one of my friends who is a quite decent club player.

Key to enjoying chess is, much like starcraft, to accept that there's always many people who are a great many times better than you. But if you are able to appreciate working to improve your own game and enjoy the victories this gives you at your level, the game has something to offer you the rest of your life.

hehe sounds good. im really interested in learning basics of chess lol. probably more so than I should be.
Entusman #51
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 19 2010 11:48 GMT
#74
If you make a schedule of when this is happening that would be fantastic...

As for an IM that doesn't reveal the emails, you're out of luck there, I don't think any that I know of do that.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 19 2010 13:16 GMT
#75
i would prefer you to start early and cast some of your thoughts on you playing matches online, like what you're thinking as to why you do certain moves
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Jank
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States308 Posts
January 19 2010 13:51 GMT
#76
I gotta say I'm really looking forward to this. I'm pretty bad and don't play very often (correspondence chess on facebook and some occasional blitz games with my dad) but I'm sure this will be very educational and entertaining.
"You don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day." - Michael Parenti
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
January 20 2010 09:37 GMT
#77
On January 19 2010 20:48 meeple wrote:
If you make a schedule of when this is happening that would be fantastic...


Of course. I always planned so. I mean I can't really expect anyone to watch if I'm not telling them when I'm showing.

I think most suitable to my working habits would be sometimes between:

11 am - 5 pm western
2 pm - 8 pm eastern
7 pm - 1 am GMT
8 pm - 2 am central european
4 am - 10 am korean

These are give or take and according to my current schedule. Could probably differ over the weekends. And of course I will play at random times outside of those, too - maybe not always commenting that extensively or just playing music as a background sound, or just fooling around. For scheduled times I plan to make it worthwhile even for those who're only in for the comments and not much for the sole watching.

I'm thinking about streaming some games other than chess when I'm actually playing, too. I know all the positive feedback Chill got was due to his popularity, but it could still be fun.

PS: I intend to make a test stream today if I can get it all working and if everything's fine I'll set up a schedule for the first 'official' stream. I just don't want to make it like 'okay I'm streaming in two hours'. If the test goes too well I might just go on playing for a couple hours as I'll have a lot of crap to download for my work and leisure in the background. Could happen any minute between now and twelve hours from now.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 09:46:20
January 20 2010 09:40 GMT
#78
Maybe I'll be able to pull off some BW-related jokes or puns, too.

We'll see.

Edit: In my profile settings I see something like Show "Current Song" messages - but I see no option to set something like a Current Song. What's up with that?

Edit2: Oh I found it. Is anyone using at it all? I haven't seen it being used before.
SR423
Profile Joined January 2010
United States15 Posts
January 20 2010 12:20 GMT
#79
I would be very interested in this as well.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
January 20 2010 12:44 GMT
#80
schedule is fine, i'll tune in for sure!
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