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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
January 25 2010 06:25 GMT
#861
35.Ne4 I guess...
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win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
January 25 2010 14:11 GMT
#862
yeah...
Ne4
dozko
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom160 Posts
January 25 2010 14:59 GMT
#863
I vote for 35. Ne4, the king comes into the attack ^^
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 25 2010 17:04 GMT
#864
All I can see are slight inaccuracies. They have all been playable variations.

All and all, I think we're going to fight this out to a draw.
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proberecall
Profile Joined August 2009
United States104 Posts
January 26 2010 04:04 GMT
#865
I'm a bit lost but Ne4 agreeing with everyone I guess to attack the f2 pawn ?
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-26 21:39:14
January 26 2010 21:38 GMT
#866
I think Ne4 works + Show Spoiler +
But I was thinking of Nd1 and then bringing our rook back to attack black's past pawn. I'm sure there is some way to refute this but I can't think of any right now.....hmm....maybe g4 followed by h3 refutes it.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
January 26 2010 21:58 GMT
#867

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JUST PLAYED: 35...Rf4

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dozko
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom160 Posts
January 26 2010 22:51 GMT
#868
I vote for 36. Kh3

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The main idea is to stop g4 by gobbling up some pawns, as after 36...g4 37.Kxh4 g3+ 38.Kxg3 Rf3+ 39.Kg2 Rxa3 40.Re7+ Kg6 41. Rc7 white is winning

Better for black is Rf3, but here we still manage to get a small advantage - 36...Rf3+ 37.Kg4 Rf5+ 38.Kh5 39. Kxh4 Rxa3 39.Kxg5 Raf3 40.Rg6+ Kf8. 41.Nd2 Rf5+ 42.Kxh4 Wins all the black kingside pawns
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 26 2010 23:32 GMT
#869
36. Kh3
+ offers draw

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a lot of lines converge to perpetual check.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 27 2010 00:17 GMT
#870
draw
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Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
January 27 2010 05:31 GMT
#871
36.Kh3
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 27 2010 05:49 GMT
#872
36. Kh3
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 27 2010 06:39 GMT
#873
No draw.

36. Kh3

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dozko I don't get your Rf3+ line. Seems to have some errors in it, including 37. ... Rf5+ (should be R8f4+?) and the lack of a move for black at 38, along with two moves for 39.

I'm going to assume you mean 36. ... Rf3+ 37. Kg4 R8f4+ 38. Kh5, not allowing 38. Kxg5 Rf5+ 38. ... Rxa3 39. Kxg5 Raf3 40. Rg6+ Kf7, not 40. ... Kf8, which loses a pawn. 41. Nd6+ which does 3 things. 1) checks black, preventing him from attacking. 2) guards the critical f5 square and prevents Rf5+. 3) prepares b5 (its about time). 41. ... Kf8 allows 42. b5, and black loses. So the more sensible try, 41. ... Ke7 stops b5, as now the king is closer to the action. But white simply plays 42. Nc4, protecting b4 and attacking the pawn on c5. Black cannot defend the pawn with the king, which loses to Ne5+, forking the rook and king. Black is bound to lose a pawn here, as the only way to save the c6 pawn is to drop the h4 pawn.

I think the more accurate try from black is what I posted in my previous analysis, and black can play on without the loss of a pawn. Still, I don't think we should offer a draw just yet. We still have some play left in here, and we're not down by any means.
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Fearliss
Profile Joined February 2009
United States22 Posts
January 27 2010 06:55 GMT
#874
By no reason do I call myself decent, but I would like to know why 36. Nxg5
would not be a good move? Provides support for the rook, which would follow up with 37. Kh3 which would take two pawns in trade for the knight.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-27 06:58:58
January 27 2010 06:58 GMT
#875
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On January 27 2010 15:55 Fearliss wrote:
By no reason do I call myself decent, but I would like to know why 36. Nxg5
would not be a good move? Provides support for the rook, which would follow up with 37. Kh3 which would take two pawns in trade for the knight.


36. Nxg5?? Rg4+ and white loses the knight.

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Fearliss
Profile Joined February 2009
United States22 Posts
January 27 2010 07:04 GMT
#876
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On January 27 2010 15:58 Incognito wrote:
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On January 27 2010 15:55 Fearliss wrote:
By no reason do I call myself decent, but I would like to know why 36. Nxg5
would not be a good move? Provides support for the rook, which would follow up with 37. Kh3 which would take two pawns in trade for the knight.


36. Nxg5?? Rg4+ and white loses the knight.



But then 37. Kh3 allowing black to capture knight. Then king can capture h pawn. Forcing black to move his rook out of king capture?? or am I missing something here?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-27 07:24:02
January 27 2010 07:19 GMT
#877
On January 27 2010 16:04 Fearliss wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2010 15:58 Incognito wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2010 15:55 Fearliss wrote:
By no reason do I call myself decent, but I would like to know why 36. Nxg5
would not be a good move? Provides support for the rook, which would follow up with 37. Kh3 which would take two pawns in trade for the knight.


36. Nxg5?? Rg4+ and white loses the knight.



But then 37. Kh3 allowing black to capture knight. Then king can capture h pawn. Forcing black to move his rook out of king capture?? or am I missing something here?

+ Show Spoiler +

I think this is the line you're suggesting...
36. Nxg5 Rg4+
37. Kh3 Rxg5
38. Kxh4 Rg1

Rook is "forced" to move, but it's to somewhere quite good for black. I'm going to be lazy and not look any further, but in the least black can exchange the f pawn for the white bishop.

edit: also mating threat at ..Rh8 since the other rook is on the g file, the king is on the h file, and those pawns would be gone.


edit: 36. Kh3 btw, I forgot to actually vote.
Fearliss
Profile Joined February 2009
United States22 Posts
January 27 2010 07:29 GMT
#878
On January 27 2010 16:19 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 16:04 Fearliss wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2010 15:58 Incognito wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2010 15:55 Fearliss wrote:
By no reason do I call myself decent, but I would like to know why 36. Nxg5
would not be a good move? Provides support for the rook, which would follow up with 37. Kh3 which would take two pawns in trade for the knight.


36. Nxg5?? Rg4+ and white loses the knight.



But then 37. Kh3 allowing black to capture knight. Then king can capture h pawn. Forcing black to move his rook out of king capture?? or am I missing something here?

+ Show Spoiler +

I think this is the line you're suggesting...
36. Nxg5 Rg4+
37. Kh3 Rxg5
38. Kxh4 Rg1

Rook is "forced" to move, but it's to somewhere quite good for black. I'm going to be lazy and not look any further, but in the least black can exchange the f pawn for the white bishop.

edit: also mating threat at ..Rh8 since the other rook is on the g file, the king is on the h file, and those pawns would be gone.



Thanks, I understand now after looking into it a little further. I guess thats a reason why I am not that good at chess, can't look past the first 4 or so moves.
dozko
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom160 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-27 13:07:05
January 27 2010 13:04 GMT
#879
Incognito

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You are correct I did botch up that variation ignore that /facepalm

However in your variation after 38...Rxa3, I believe 39. Kxg5 is inferior to 39.Rg6+ Kf7 40. Nxg5+ Ke7 41. Rxc6 winning the pawns straight away, unless im missing something...
People respond to incentives; the rest is commentary.
proberecall
Profile Joined August 2009
United States104 Posts
January 27 2010 13:41 GMT
#880
can someone explain me why not 36. h3 ? so that we can keep playing it ? do we have to end it as a draw can't we push a win here?
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