Well that early cut was pretty unlucky and made me wonder..
I didnt even think the punch was that strong ? Strange..
And when Fedor got pounded on the ground I was surprised.. Never saw him that exposed before.. but then again look what he survived vs Randelman and others..
I have to rewatch the fight a few times but besides the cut ( broken nose ? ) and the ground pounding action Rogers didnt land that much..
Then again I was quite surprised how well he recovered from that hard punch from Fedor in Round 1..
And I dont think the fight was stopped too early..
but I have to take a closer look again but I think one more hit maybe.. But Rogers was really done for.. and more importantly I see no way he could have recovered from it.. imo..
On November 08 2009 16:38 Dr.Lettuce wrote: Oh and just one more thing, I've trained sambo for a few years now. The thing Fedor is throwing is not an overhand right. It's a sambo technique called a casting punch. You throw it from the hips and it's more of an indirect hook, so that if it misses you still have power in the wrist or even forearm should it hit. The point of it is it's a very fast powerful punch, and it's PERFECT to follow up with any sort of sambo throw. Notice how in the first round Fedor followed it up with a left casting punch/underhook throw. Because it's easy to fake the hook, as they immediately block the head. The hook position goes in deep around the body, and has all your power behind it. I think more Mixed marital artists should really look sambo up, It's easily the best training I've ever done.
Is this video correct? (I mean, the technique he is showing)
On looking more closely the fight was indeed stopped a tad too early.. than again Im wondering.. why ? was the ref afraid Fedor would do too much damage ? I mean Rogers wasnt unconcious and the punches from Fedor when Rogers was on the ground didnt really harm him..
I dont know.. I think the ref should have waited a bit longer now, as well..
but I think the fight was pretty much over anyway, considering how strong Fedor is in terms of subs & on the ground
Phil, do you honestly see Rogers getting out of the situation he was in? I know I'm talking about what "could or could not have happened" but he was rolling away with nothing to offer. Rolling away. He was semi-out, fully-scared, and was not going to do anything to get up, and not doing anything to stop Fedor from hammerfisting his way to a victory.
If he was logically thinking, he would have rolled into Fedor, tried to get into a defensive position (probably trying to settle with a half guard because Fedor would probably have been getting into side mount), and tried to do WHATEVER HE COULD to close the distance from Fedor, (i.e. grabbing Fedor's head and putting it in close, or holding Fedor around the waist trying to close the distance).
The mechanics of a HW match is different than with lighter weights. Often 1 punch is enough at the HW level whereas LWs can stand and trade all day w/o getting knocked out.
Fedor's punch was strong enough to knock out most HWs. Rogers was seriously rocked and did not get up after the fight was called. So you could say Rogers had some consciousness but he definitely did not know what he was doing. If the fight was prolonged, Fedor still would've finished by gnp or armbar.
Im 99 % sure Fedor would have come up with a certain follow up and ended the fight a few seconds later but as I said ( and as a huge Fedor fan this is certainly no bias ) the fight maybe was stopped a bit too early indeed..
I must say I underrated Rogers a bit and I have the feeling Fedors getting a bit old and weaker.. ( obviously ?? )
Well nono what I'm saying is that there's no way the fight was stopped too early. The ref perfectly read what Brett Rogers was going through, how he was reacting, and he stopped it because of that. And I'm not a huge Fedor fan (as in, I like him a lot, but I'm not a fanboy of Fedor... WANDERLEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII).
And I just think Fedor trains less than he used to. He has a family now, just got married, and spends a lot of time devoting himself to christianity, so he's definitely not where he was a few years ago compared to the competition. It's not that he's getting WORSE, he probably knows more techniques and times his punches etc. etc. better than he used to 5 years ago. But his conditioning is probably not where it used to be, and he's not improving at the rate that the competition is: Everyone in MMA is basically improving at a phenomenal rate due to the fact that training camps are really developing and that this sport is new (not the martial arts themselves, or even vale tudo, but the way we look at MMA with the UFC existing and the way it worked in Pride now is definitely a lot more developed, and almost every fighter is well rounded now).
Well i kinda had the impression after the ref stopped it Rogers was kinda surprised ? Maybe it was a sign of relief.. I dont know..
But actually Im much too new to this sport .. so my opinion or how i see the things are probably wrong most of the times.. So i have no problem in believing the more experienced watchers
I was really impressed with Rogers I must say. As a HUGE Fedor fanboy, I was hoping for a walkover. What i saw was anything but - Rogers has come a long way, and I hope he can continue to improve in the future. He is trying really, really hard.
That said, Fedor looked awesome - I think if he had not had his nose broken early on, he would have finished Rogers up much earlier.
Where are UFC fanboys??? they talked pretty loud, but i dont see them talk now ---------------------------------------------------- User received a temp-ban for this post.
On November 08 2009 19:16 Ichigo1234551 wrote: Where are UFC fanboys??? they talked pretty loud, but i dont see them talk now
What does this have to do with anything?
I didn't know there were "UFC Fanboys" on this forum. Where do you get that from? I think everyone here appreciates the shows Strikeforce has made and appreciates the shows UFC has made too. For that matter, I think everyone can enjoy a good Dream, KotC, IFC, or WEC match as long as the fighters are good. The UFC puts on good shows and when we make a thread about UFC 105 + 106 we will talk about the UFC there if we have to...
edit: I would make a case that the "Pride fanboys that can't let go of the fact that UFC puts on good fights meanwhile Pride died" are more annoying than "UFC fanboys"
On November 08 2009 13:54 FrozenArbiter wrote: It's 6 am, I need to sleep. Someone else can read back on this and see if there needs to be any bans handed out or not.
On November 08 2009 13:54 FrozenArbiter wrote: It's 6 am, I need to sleep. Someone else can read back on this and see if there needs to be any bans handed out or not.
I gotcha covered buddy.
I hope you won't miss food. He has been trolling during 4 or 5 pages ...
Anyway that was a cool fight, Brett did better than expected imo. Managed to escape two subs lasted one round and broke Fedor nose. Not too bad.
In a quest to make TL a fun place to hang out and talk about MMA without being ruined by all the shitfaced morons who think they have a clue can all of you please stop your pathetic attempts at seeming informed when you are clearly clueless. Every MMA site out there has forums filled with piles of crap please don't turn TL into that.
On November 08 2009 12:04 food wrote: i want this clown knocked the fuck out immediately
so far worst fight of the night
warn delete user info cant watch this garbage for 2 more rounds, going to wait for next fight
whoever came into MMA without proper background looks clumsy as fuck and horrible to watch. These guys dont kick dont punch even when they open
damn talk about clueless they actually both suck but shields was ahead for sure
lol some booing id be pissed if i payed to see this
what if someone like klitchko comes into mma, i think he would murder fedor
i am politely calling you an idiot, stop fucking calling people names please im christian orthodox myself and some dumb aussie kid is going to spell it out for me? hahaha. You dont use word "orthodox" without word "christian" in this content. If you speak russian ill gladly listen to you
Can't even pick a single post that did it you're just an all-around worthless poster. 6 previous bans and no changes whatsoever. Cya.
On November 08 2009 19:16 Ichigo1234551 wrote: Where are UFC fanboys??? they talked pretty loud, but i dont see them talk now
Go. Away.
Two bans two warnings later maybe I'll be bothered to post something about the event later.
The ending is similar, but the performance overall seemed a bit lazy to me for the last two fights, especially surprised that he doesn't show his ground dominance, like vs herring, nog, maybe it's because his opponents are really huge lately.
The contrast between posters is laughable big thanks to all the good posts. Fedor looked amazing and I get that from what Dr.Lettuce wrote. Got his nose wacked and still had a great performance. How many punches do you get to throw before you need to roll out of an armbar? I'd say like 4-5. That's not even close to finishing off Fedor.
Every fight was entertaining I just have one major complaint and that is that in the version I saw they didn't show the entrance of Fedor or Rogers and that totally sucked.
ColdLava, I can't watch youtube links while I'm at work over here, computer doesn't have java
And yeah it does help, all the training and years of being involved with MMA really help me to watch a fight, and really understand what's happening (fingers crossed; if I can keep training in the summer I'm going to try and book my first pro-fight) My friends all tell me to shut the fuck up about it when ever we watch an event, because I tend to go on a bit
Magic - Fedor is getting a bit old, but he doesn't train like he used to. He's a family man now, and becoming very religious him and his trainers have openly admitted that Fedor trains much less than he used to.Infact I think he got married only a short while ago.
I think he takes great pleasure in beating people at their own games to be honest. Fedor is never considered an elite striker but he KO's strikers on the feet. He doesn't need it to go the ground, I once read a post that stated Fedor can just toy with people; to a large extent I really believe that. Any other top tier fighter would exploit strenght vs weakness, but not Fedor. It's just incredible to watch. It must actually be scary, to spend your whole life dedicated to a paticular art/style of fighting, and have another guy who not only excels in a different area to yours, but he beats you at your expertise. It just saps away your will to fight.
I would honestly love to see Fedor beat Brock and retire. That would be the perfect MMA career. The only person I wouldn't mind seeing him lose to would be some one like mousasi or some other young phenom, as an example of passing on the torch to the new elite fighters. MMA geeks like my self call this "the changing of the guard". I.E Royce to Hughes. Hughes to GSP.
I'm gonna miss Fedor when he goes, in fact I'm going to miss this whole generation as they pass on soon. This era of fighters has been the real boom of fighters finally getting some mainstream acceptance. I hate watching fighters I really admire call it a day, even more so I hate fighters who I really admire, not know when to call it a day. Yes Shamrock and Saku, I'm looking at you.
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