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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 16:46:30
September 25 2012 16:46 GMT
#1241
On September 26 2012 01:42 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 01:40 Novalisk wrote:
Is there any point to going 2-handed instead of dual wielding or 1h+shield?

Seems like flat damage bonuses are so common in this game, which work best with fast weapons for DPS.

Reduction from armor is also flat, with work best with slow weapons. Plus 2h is good at hitting multiple targets.


Reduced armor per hit is also best with attack speed, and there are lots of things which help ignore armor like berserker skills and claws. As for AoE, most of it comes from skills anyway.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
September 25 2012 16:48 GMT
#1242
No I agree berserkers would definitely benefit more from high as. But your question was if there was any benefit of 2h over dual wielding.
boomer hands
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 25 2012 16:50 GMT
#1243
If a skill is based on weapon damage then your weapon damage is a lot higher with a two handed weapon, even if they have the same dps since one handed weapons are faster than two handers.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1556 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 16:59:17
September 25 2012 16:52 GMT
#1244
On September 25 2012 21:37 BlitzerSC wrote:
So, my stash is completly full on gem. What should I do with them ? I already used all the sockets on my items and the transmuter seems really random. Should I sell them ?
Transmute them, but be sure to transmute similar level gems. It will always give you a rare or better gem of the lowest level gem you put in there. I don't remember if you can get unique gems that way, but you can definitely get the best rares.
On September 26 2012 01:50 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
If a skill is based on weapon damage then your weapon damage is a lot higher with a two handed weapon, even if they have the same dps since one handed weapons are faster than two handers.
Skills are based on weapon DPS, not weapon damage. I haven't tested it out yet, but after thinking about the 2h builds for a while my brain ended up spotting weapon DPS and not damage, which makes me think that 2hander builds are probably terrible.
On September 26 2012 01:40 Novalisk wrote:
Is there any point to going 2-handed instead of dual wielding or 1h+shield?

Seems like flat damage bonuses are so common in this game, which work best with fast weapons for DPS.
I haven't tested this out yet either, but when you socket a flat damage gem, the DPS increase on your weapon doesn't factor in the attack speed. Basically, a +35 damage gem adds 35 dps to your weapon. The character sheet seems to agree. I think it would also be much easier to balance this way, so this is likely by design and not a bug, but the gem description should be updated to reflect this.
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
September 25 2012 16:58 GMT
#1245
On September 26 2012 01:52 Pwere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 21:37 BlitzerSC wrote:
So, my stash is completly full on gem. What should I do with them ? I already used all the sockets on my items and the transmuter seems really random. Should I sell them ?
Transmute them, but be sure to transmute similar level gems. It will always give you a rare or better gem of the lowest level gem you put in there. I don't remember if you can get unique gems that way, but you can definitely get the best rares.
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 01:50 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
If a skill is based on weapon damage then your weapon damage is a lot higher with a two handed weapon, even if they have the same dps since one handed weapons are faster than two handers.
Skills are based on weapon DPS, not weapon damage. I haven't tested it out yet, but after thinking about the 2h builds for a while my brain ended up spotting weapon DPS and not damage, which makes me think that 2hander builds are probably terrible.

2-handed has more overall dps, ignoring execute which doesn't do anything for spells afaik. Dual-wielding doesn't stack the damage of the two weapons, so unless you have some sick bonus to dual wielding buffs and only bad 2-handed weapons, 2-handed dps > dual-wield dps.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 17:04:08
September 25 2012 17:00 GMT
#1246
Unless you have high execute chance or an off-hand with really good mods, I have a hard time believing that 2-weapon is better than 1 weapon + shield.

That said, 100% execute chance is pretty easy to get.

On September 25 2012 21:37 BlitzerSC wrote:
So, my stash is completly full on gem. What should I do with them ? I already used all the sockets on my items and the transmuter seems really random. Should I sell them ?

Personally I used a bunch of my gems to punch sockets into uniques/sets I'm saving for other characters. It used up the vast majority of my low level gems.
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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 17:20:16
September 25 2012 17:12 GMT
#1247
On September 26 2012 01:52 Pwere wrote:
I haven't tested this out yet either, but when you socket a flat damage gem, the DPS increase on your weapon doesn't factor in the attack speed. Basically, a +35 damage gem adds 35 dps to your weapon. The character sheet seems to agree. I think it would also be much easier to balance this way, so this is likely by design and not a bug, but the gem description should be updated to reflect this.


I tested it, flat damage gems get calculated with attack speed into weapon DPS.

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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 25 2012 17:15 GMT
#1248
On September 26 2012 01:52 Pwere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 01:50 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
If a skill is based on weapon damage then your weapon damage is a lot higher with a two handed weapon, even if they have the same dps since one handed weapons are faster than two handers.
Skills are based on weapon DPS, not weapon damage. I haven't tested it out yet, but after thinking about the 2h builds for a while my brain ended up spotting weapon DPS and not damage, which makes me think that 2hander builds are probably terrible.


While this is true, I assumed that it takes the range displayed from your character screen (which is much larger for two handed weapons even if they have the same dps as one handed). I will test it later when I have time.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
September 25 2012 17:34 GMT
#1249
Where can I see the stat of +minion dmg/health?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 25 2012 17:44 GMT
#1250
How do you guys get money? :/

I use like 99% of the money i earn for new potions and stuff.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1556 Posts
September 25 2012 18:02 GMT
#1251
On September 26 2012 02:12 Novalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 01:52 Pwere wrote:
I haven't tested this out yet either, but when you socket a flat damage gem, the DPS increase on your weapon doesn't factor in the attack speed. Basically, a +35 damage gem adds 35 dps to your weapon. The character sheet seems to agree. I think it would also be much easier to balance this way, so this is likely by design and not a bug, but the gem description should be updated to reflect this.


I tested it, flat damage gems get calculated with attack speed into weapon DPS.

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[image loading]
Not sure what that screenshot proves, and it might be different for enchants/sockets/affixes. But I definitely know that my +27 phys damage enchant on my 0.56 AS pistol only increased its listed DPs by 27.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 21:33:10
September 25 2012 18:05 GMT
#1252
On September 26 2012 03:02 Pwere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2012 02:12 Novalisk wrote:
On September 26 2012 01:52 Pwere wrote:
I haven't tested this out yet either, but when you socket a flat damage gem, the DPS increase on your weapon doesn't factor in the attack speed. Basically, a +35 damage gem adds 35 dps to your weapon. The character sheet seems to agree. I think it would also be much easier to balance this way, so this is likely by design and not a bug, but the gem description should be updated to reflect this.


I tested it, flat damage gems get calculated with attack speed into weapon DPS.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Not sure what that screenshot proves, and it might be different for enchants/sockets/affixes. But I definitely know that my +27 phys damage enchant on my 0.56 AS pistol only increased its listed DPs by 27.


Enchants may work differently, but this is very easy to test if you come across a multisocket claw. You can get an absurd weapon very easily since the gems scale off attack speed.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 25 2012 18:27 GMT
#1253
On September 26 2012 02:44 Zoler wrote:
How do you guys get money? :/

I use like 99% of the money i earn for new potions and stuff.


To time when you gonna drop gems that give you hp/mana on hit.
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
musai
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada552 Posts
September 25 2012 21:03 GMT
#1254
Does anyone know if +staff/+wand %damage affects spell damage?

Like: http://torchlight2armory.com/item?i=-6452063213004546862
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
September 25 2012 21:07 GMT
#1255
When you look at your "Character" tab and it does your "Damage" is that representative of DPS or just straight damage?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 25 2012 21:16 GMT
#1256
On September 26 2012 06:03 musai wrote:
Does anyone know if +staff/+wand %damage affects spell damage?

Like: http://torchlight2armory.com/item?i=-6452063213004546862

I would assume it applies the same way other +weapon damage affects spells--that it affects spells that do % weapon DPS, and not spells that do flat damage.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
September 25 2012 21:58 GMT
#1257
For the engies out there; have you found better use out of forcefield or Aegis? I'm undecided about which to max at this point. I haven't seen anybody who has maxed Aegis, is the proc reliable enough?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
September 25 2012 22:19 GMT
#1258
So I've messed around with each class, and I think the one I'm going to stick with is the Berserker.

I'm so torn on where to put my stat and skill points, though, and I don't really know what kind of weapons I should be aiming for.

I've been pumping strength and dexterity, but at level 11, I have 6 unspent skill points that I keep allocating and then refunding, and then allocating again.

I just want to kill stuff.

Also, what kind of weapons should I be using? I've been running with claw weapons, but I feel like I do so little damage =\
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 25 2012 22:46 GMT
#1259
On September 26 2012 07:19 MrBitter wrote:
So I've messed around with each class, and I think the one I'm going to stick with is the Berserker.

I'm so torn on where to put my stat and skill points, though, and I don't really know what kind of weapons I should be aiming for.

I've been pumping strength and dexterity, but at level 11, I have 6 unspent skill points that I keep allocating and then refunding, and then allocating again.

I just want to kill stuff.

Also, what kind of weapons should I be using? I've been running with claw weapons, but I feel like I do so little damage =\


I prefer claws personally. The rapid attack rate synergizes so well with some of berserkers passives, namely the armor shred/steal. You can put one point into Eviscerate to deal with the lack of AoE. Just remember that you're attacking twice a second when you think about how little your hits are

I don't think Dexterity is worthwhile as a berserker either, but if you forego it completely then you cannot use claws until you reach the level requirement as they all seem to require STR and DEX. I'm dumping everything into STR personally, although I think I might need some focus eventually as all the legendary weapons seem to do elemental damage.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
September 25 2012 22:49 GMT
#1260
im dumping everything into str and vita, cauz lateron u are every 10 sec fully charged so its pointless to get base crit, just get executioner and frenzy mastery and at lvl ~40 around u are almost always charged
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