EPTNBA 09-10: The Roundball Rock - Page 61
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igotmyown
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HonestTea
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If you read Stern's original statement, he says that he wanted to wait from issuing any disceplenary action until the law enforcement investigation was over (and also instructed the Wizards to wait). Then this happend: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/why_arenas_was_unfit_to_take_t.html#more After than, Stern put three suspensions on a table and asked Gilbert to choose one. If you go to ESPN, you can find official statements by Stern, Gilbert, the Wizards, and the NBA Player's Association. I'll summarize for those who don't have the time. Stern: I have a sentimental weakness for my children and I spoil them, as you can see. Gilberto, I was gonna play this cool, but you don't fear me enough, so I was forced to show you who is the boss between you and me. (Hint: The boss is me) Arenas: I fucked up (again), I know it (for real this time), and I'm sorry (FOR REAL). Please return my calls? Wizards: David Ster- Kanye: Yo, Gilbert, Imma let you finish, but Plaxico's gun fiasco was the BEST athlete gun stupidity of all time. OF ALL TIME! Wizards: David Stern is Moses, he has returned with the word of God. NBAPA: Ok, even we can't defend this. Fuck this. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On January 07 2010 08:57 ilovejonn wrote: Before trade: Mo Williams Paul Pierce Chris Paul Brook Lopez Kevin Garnett Samuel Dalembert Yi JianLian Eric Gordon Zach Randolph Jermaine O'Neal Courtney Lee Andrew Bynum Jason Terry H2H, 10 teams, 3 Bench slots 3 Util Slots PG, SG, SF, PF, C, G , F I did the trade, cp3+Brook for Dwight and Bosh. I'm hoping that Brook will get less touches cuz of Yi. But still, any comments? Even before the trade no one else on my team has a high average in assists anyways, so I'm hoping to stack in blocks and rebounds instead. Without knowing the actual categories your league uses, it's hard to gauge the trade. Assuming the standard Yahoo 9-cat (FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK, TO), here's what I get. Pre-trade, you were terrible in 3PTM, weak in AST, solid-to-good in the rest of the categories, while being particularly strong in STL and FT%. After the trade, you're now terrible in 3PTM and AST, bad in FT% and TO (DHow does this to a team by himself), solid in PTS, weak in STL, and very strong in REB, BLK and FG%. Conclusion: You've given up being a pretty good all-around team in exchange for being dominant in 3 categories and sucking in 5. You're completely wasting all the great FT% value that your team should be strong in with your top 8 players contributing very well in that category, particularly your bigs (who typically bring that category down). While you were weak in AST pre-trade, you were at least competitive in TOs, which is a good trade off since the two are usually mutually exclusive. Now, you'd lose both categories on a consistent basis. Again, this is all based on the assumption that you're playing the standard 9 categories. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:25 Ace wrote: Probably not. I know in H2H Cats you can safely punt categories if you're dominating in a few others. CP3 was worth a lot but with 2 First Round picks in that trade you've probably got all of that on the way. With Mo Williams and Eric Gordon you'll somewhat stay safe on FG%. Either way TWO first round rounders for CP3 and even Lebron or DWade is a major major steal. Dwight is only a first rounder if you punt FT%. So far this season he's 9th-round value with FT%, and 1st-round value without it in per-game, and 8th and 1st respectively for cumulative. People really don't realize how damaging his FT% and TOs are to a team. You have to design your whole roster around Dwight if you draft him early, or else you're getting terrible value for the pick. | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
On January 07 2010 14:09 HonestTea wrote: Stern did it because Arenas was mocking everybody and the league. If you read Stern's original statement, he says that he wanted to wait from issuing any disceplenary action until the law enforcement investigation was over (and also instructed the Wizards to wait). Then this happend: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/why_arenas_was_unfit_to_take_t.html#more man arenas is such a screw up...lost all respect for him after reading that article | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 07 2010 14:27 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Dwight is only a first rounder if you punt FT%. So far this season he's 9th-round value with FT%, and 1st-round value without it in per-game, and 8th and 1st respectively for cumulative. People really don't realize how damaging his FT% and TOs are to a team. You have to design your whole roster around Dwight if you draft him early, or else you're getting terrible value for the pick. With the guards on his roster wouldn't they at least keep him respectable in FT%? and he's in H2H Cats so if he does dominate a few categories and punt one he'll be fine. Unless some other team is literally stacked like he could be. | ||
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Ace
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On January 07 2010 15:13 unknown.sam wrote: man arenas is such a screw up...lost all respect for him after reading that article jeezus. Yea after reading all that I see why the media is riding his balls. | ||
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HonestTea
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/inside_gilberts_statement.html | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On January 07 2010 15:20 Ace wrote: With the guards on his roster wouldn't they at least keep him respectable in FT%? and he's in H2H Cats so if he does dominate a few categories and punt one he'll be fine. Unless some other team is literally stacked like he could be. Most guards will have good FT%s, so it's nothing unusual to get good FT% value from his guards. The problem is that Dwight takes so many FTs (tied for first at 9.9 FTA/g) and shoots so horribly from there (4th worst amongst those who qualify). He's 8th in TOs, which is very high considering that he's a Center who gets almost no ASTs. Just as guards typically have good FT%, bigs are supposed to get few TOs, and thus Dwight kills most teams' ability to compete in that category. So, basically, having Dwight on your team will almost always ruin any chances of competing in FT% and TOs, leaving 7 categories to compete in. His team is punting AST, so that leaves only 6 left. Toss in the fact that his was already very weak in 3PTM and remains that way, and he's now down to only 5 categories he can be competitive in on a regular basis. Keep in mind that that means his best case scenario for most weeks will be a 5-4. Toss in the fact that going from CP3 (2.2 spg) and Brook (0.8 spg) to Dwight (1.1 spg) and Bosh (0.5 spg) is a pretty big drop in the STL category, making him weak-to-average, and he's now arguably weak in 5 out of 9 categories. He'll consistently win FG%, REB, and BLK, but is by no means dominant in PTS. Punting categories can work in H2H, but you can't punt more than 2 categories and expect to be competitive. It's like he's just a little weak in 3PTM, AST, FT%, and TOs, he's terrible in those categories now (although he might win TOs right now with JO, Pierce and KG out). That means he's virtually guaranteed no better than a 5-4 each week. That's no way to win. | ||
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Ace
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ilovejonn
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On January 07 2010 16:12 Ace wrote: So what should he do? Keep Bosh and try to sell Dwight on for a first rounder or a Joe Johnson/AI2 type of guard? Hard to say. Prior to the trade, I would've said that he could look to move Paul for Dirk and someone else. Dirk would boost his PTS, 3PTM, REB, BLK, while improving his TOs, which I think is very good when you punt AST since, like I said before, they're usually mutually exclusive. Doubt that can happen with Dwight now. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On January 07 2010 17:00 ilovejonn wrote: I actually have 8 categories on espn fantasy, no turnover category. And I knew I was lacking in points by myself too (tried to get melo but failed). I am currently number 1 in FT% but that'll probably drop later. So what do you think I should do with my team? I mean, like you said im pretty terrible in all the other categories except Ft% which I fucked up (??) but I'm a total newbie at trades (like i know how good a player is individually but i dont know how it will affect my team as a whole). Maybe you can tell me what categories I should try to win based on my team? It's not like I was winning with my team before the trade anyways haha. With no TOs, Dwight becomes a little more attractive, but you'd still have to punt FT% to make him worthwhile. Unfortunately, a good number of your better players are pretty good in that category, so it seems it'd be easier to just move Dwight, especially since Bosh is arguably your best player now and FT% is one of his bigger strengths. It's always hard to figure out who you can get in exchange for Dwight since managers will vary in how they value him a lot. If you've got a bunch of savvy managers who understand his impact on FT%, then there's no way you get 1st or 2nd round value in return for him unless there's a team that's already bad or punting FT%. If you can find someone who overrates Dwight and sees him as a 1st-rounder, maybe try to get a good 2 for 1 deal like Joe Johnson & David Lee or Amare & Iguodala, etc. | ||
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ilovejonn
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On January 07 2010 17:17 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Hard to say. Prior to the trade, I would've said that he could look to move Paul for Dirk and someone else. Dirk would boost his PTS, 3PTM, REB, BLK, while improving his TOs, which I think is very good when you punt AST since, like I said before, they're usually mutually exclusive. Doubt that can happen with Dwight now. T___T I will try though. Any other suggestions?  edit: oh you beat me edit2: On January 07 2010 17:29 XaI)CyRiC wrote: With no TOs, Dwight becomes a little more attractive, but you'd still have to punt FT% to make him worthwhile. Unfortunately, a good number of your better players are pretty good in that category, so it seems it'd be easier to just move Dwight, especially since Bosh is arguably your best player now and FT% is one of his bigger strengths. It's always hard to figure out who you can get in exchange for Dwight since managers will vary in how they value him a lot. If you've got a bunch of savvy managers who understand his impact on FT%, then there's no way you get 1st or 2nd round value in return for him unless there's a team that's already bad or punting FT%. If you can find someone who overrates Dwight and sees him as a 1st-rounder, maybe try to get a good 2 for 1 deal like Joe Johnson & David Lee or Amare & Iguodala, etc. Hmm 2 for 1 might be kinda hard, what if they were to say only 1 for 1? Like Joe Johnson for Dwight or Amare for Dwight? Would that be okay? edit 3: gonna go to bed, I really appreciate your help so far. I'll check back in the morning. =) | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
On January 07 2010 15:30 HonestTea wrote: Don't forget this twitter breakdown!! http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/01/inside_gilberts_statement.html lol. the guy is a walking contradiction | ||
OneOther
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igotmyown
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minutes played: 6 Who was saying they could trade him and Farmar for some decent talent? http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/a-costanza-trade-for-joe-dumars/ I think I got it. How ’bout this? How ’bout this? We trade Jim Leyritz and Bernie Williams, for Barry Bonds, huh? Whadda ya think? That way you have Griffey and Bonds, in the same outfield! Now you got a team! Ha ha ha. | ||
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Ace
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XaI)CyRiC
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On January 07 2010 20:38 Ace wrote: I told you guys last year Jordan Farmar is TERRIBLE. Last year he definitely was playing very poorly. However, he seems to be playing significantly better this season. I wouldn't say that he's shown that he's capable of taking over Fisher's starting role (although Fisher's own struggles have been pretty bad), but he's at least playing at a good backup PG role. He seems more focused on defense, is making fewer dumb passes/plays, and seems to have improved his shot selection (fewer "why the hell did he take that shot?" moments). Hopefully, he continues to build on this and fulfills some of the promise he showed earlier on in his career. I have hopes that Walton getting healthy will help all the bench players, including Farmar. | ||
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ilovejonn
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