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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
October 20 2015 14:37 GMT
#3101
did you go?
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Nickemwit
Profile Joined December 2007
United States253 Posts
October 20 2015 16:17 GMT
#3102
I went. The opinion that it was terrible for attendees was near unanimous. I was one of the only people who liked it. The fact that it was delayed by 7-8 hours gave me a shitton of practice. There were the best proportion of good players per entrants of any tournament ever, so getting to play a ton of friendlies with them was awesome.

The tournament definitely sucked though.
Fight Fire with ShrieK
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
October 21 2015 23:16 GMT
#3103
ive got two tournaments this weekend and im in a super weird place in my play right now
i took a break from falco for a few weeks to play falcon/peach/fox vs my friends (because i felt blocked in my progress) and now im at this point where i feel much more confident in my general play but falco specific i think im playing worse as im dropping combos i would have kept going before

ive slowed down and stopped mindlessly lasering, doing dair oos and dair approaching tho
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
737 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 20:22:29
October 22 2015 20:19 GMT
#3104
Well, by playing other characters I feel this blocks your progress even more. You should stick to Falco only in my honest opinion..I'm a Falco main as well and I felt that the times I played the worst was when I put in more hours on other characters than the bird.

I've been grinding hard for the past few months and I've been really content with my progress. Got 4th at a small local (my best placing yet) but still on average going 2 wins and 2 losses per tourney. Not at the breakout where I can place top 8 but I'm getting there. In September I attended a tournament every weekend and played with other people other than scrubby housemates and I saw the most improvement during this time. Lately I've been very busy with work so I can't play others unless it's a weekend. What I fixed was playing more consciously. No laser laser dair/nair or mindless stuff. With this, my technical execution is also at the level where I'm not flubbing as much. Basically landing all my L-cancels (not 100% but very close) with different aerial timings, moving well around map, different kinds of advanced tech (invincible ledgedash, shortens, double shines, shine oos, etc) and etc.

In terms of what to improve, I need to work on my defensive options specifically crispier Shine OoS and movement can always get better. Spacing too is something I'm just starting to really get the hang of as well.

My friend who is significantly better than me (he's a very very very good falcon player) says that I have horrible move/option coverage at times. How does one improve this? For example, after I'm harassing him with lasers, I tend to go for an aggressive option as opposed to baiting out a move from him and then denying that with an up tilt or a well spaced aerial.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
October 23 2015 11:35 GMT
#3105
On October 23 2015 05:19 Fazers wrote:
Well, by playing other characters I feel this blocks your progress even more. You should stick to Falco only in my honest opinion..I'm a Falco main as well and I felt that the times I played the worst was when I put in more hours on other characters than the bird.

I've been grinding hard for the past few months and I've been really content with my progress. Got 4th at a small local (my best placing yet) but still on average going 2 wins and 2 losses per tourney. Not at the breakout where I can place top 8 but I'm getting there. In September I attended a tournament every weekend and played with other people other than scrubby housemates and I saw the most improvement during this time. Lately I've been very busy with work so I can't play others unless it's a weekend. What I fixed was playing more consciously. No laser laser dair/nair or mindless stuff. With this, my technical execution is also at the level where I'm not flubbing as much. Basically landing all my L-cancels (not 100% but very close) with different aerial timings, moving well around map, different kinds of advanced tech (invincible ledgedash, shortens, double shines, shine oos, etc) and etc.

In terms of what to improve, I need to work on my defensive options specifically crispier Shine OoS and movement can always get better. Spacing too is something I'm just starting to really get the hang of as well.

My friend who is significantly better than me (he's a very very very good falcon player) says that I have horrible move/option coverage at times. How does one improve this? For example, after I'm harassing him with lasers, I tend to go for an aggressive option as opposed to baiting out a move from him and then denying that with an up tilt or a well spaced aerial.

this reflects what im fixing in my self quite well, i found playing other characters for a bit helped me think about why i was choosing to use moves and i realised i was doing a lot of things with falco just cos thats what i usually do, not because it was right

sounds like we have quite similar situations in terms of practice and when we go to tournaments (although i have no better player to get experience off and you sound better than me)

11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
737 Posts
October 23 2015 14:12 GMT
#3106
I don't think I am that much better. Basically I can move well and execute well, but at the end of the day I feel like a tech skill fanatic. That's why I'm putting more conscious into smarter play as opposed to button mashing.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 23 2015 14:45 GMT
#3107
On October 23 2015 05:19 Fazers wrote:
Well, by playing other characters I feel this blocks your progress even more. You should stick to Falco only in my honest opinion..I'm a Falco main as well and I felt that the times I played the worst was when I put in more hours on other characters than the bird.

I've been grinding hard for the past few months and I've been really content with my progress. Got 4th at a small local (my best placing yet) but still on average going 2 wins and 2 losses per tourney. Not at the breakout where I can place top 8 but I'm getting there. In September I attended a tournament every weekend and played with other people other than scrubby housemates and I saw the most improvement during this time. Lately I've been very busy with work so I can't play others unless it's a weekend. What I fixed was playing more consciously. No laser laser dair/nair or mindless stuff. With this, my technical execution is also at the level where I'm not flubbing as much. Basically landing all my L-cancels (not 100% but very close) with different aerial timings, moving well around map, different kinds of advanced tech (invincible ledgedash, shortens, double shines, shine oos, etc) and etc.

In terms of what to improve, I need to work on my defensive options specifically crispier Shine OoS and movement can always get better. Spacing too is something I'm just starting to really get the hang of as well.

My friend who is significantly better than me (he's a very very very good falcon player) says that I have horrible move/option coverage at times. How does one improve this? For example, after I'm harassing him with lasers, I tend to go for an aggressive option as opposed to baiting out a move from him and then denying that with an up tilt or a well spaced aerial.

I have been having similar issues in neutral vs Peach/Fox/Falcon and I have just been focused on trying to make my neutral harder to punish, when i do early nairs/dairs I either shield stop fade away or heavily over shot depend on stage position. I have been using laser -> f-tilt to force my opponent/condition to apply risk in committing while its not 100% safe on shield it at least forces their punish game to be consistent. Run up shield into shine OOS is such a strong option and really forces the Falcon to commit to a late fair to be safe which in the end is what you want your opponent to do.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
October 23 2015 17:48 GMT
#3108
This is a famous story about learning multiple characters

Sheik teaches you good defensive fundamentals
Marth teaches you how to space
Falcon teaches you how to move
Fox teaches you everything
Falco teaches you how to press buttons fast

It's good to learn secondaries
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 23 2015 19:47 GMT
#3109
Our very own 343 has a cameo in this trailer lolol:
Writer
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
October 24 2015 02:29 GMT
#3110
right at the very beginning too LOL
Writer
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
October 24 2015 07:42 GMT
#3111
Hahaha sick.
TL+ Member
Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
737 Posts
October 25 2015 02:20 GMT
#3112
What do you guys define as the fundamentals of melee?
Nickemwit
Profile Joined December 2007
United States253 Posts
October 25 2015 06:51 GMT
#3113
Spacing is the main "fundamental." Put your moves where you can hit the enemy but can't get hit yourself.

Other important concepts are risk/reward, maximizing punishes, knowing answers for countless situations
Fight Fire with ShrieK
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
October 27 2015 02:52 GMT
#3114
its live!

The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
October 27 2015 09:26 GMT
#3115
thats a lot of production
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 27 2015 14:32 GMT
#3116
Pretty cool first episode :D
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
October 27 2015 14:47 GMT
#3117
Yeah, so well-made :O Excited for the rest of the series!
Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
October 27 2015 15:07 GMT
#3118
Sick city!
Caster man does casting on yt/RiquizCasts
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8035 Posts
November 01 2015 03:16 GMT
#3119
PPMD's falco still looks slick as hell.
Liquipedia
iaeuy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States249 Posts
November 01 2015 17:42 GMT
#3120
If anyone's looking for some melee to watch this morning, Golden Bair 3 is a fairly stacked tournament which will have a lot of norcal's best players in a round robin.
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