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A Deadly Dynasty

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A Deadly Dynasty
by Riptide
Team Liquid: Final Edits


“Though the derivation of the Zerg from insect-like organisms and the mysterious alien Protoss have their own appeal, are not the humans the ultimate victors in movies? I imagined Terrans as the ultimate conquerors in Starcraft. I don’t know if it’s because I’m interested in science fiction movies, but one of the reasons why I picked Terran at the time was the fact that they were the human race.”
- Lim Yo Hwan, Crazy As Me


Lim Yo Hwan changed the face of the Terran race, and indeed the face of Starcraft. He almost single-handedly changed Terrans from being a weak, ineffective species, to being the progaming powerhouse it is today. Of course, he didn't just change the meta-game. He also gave birth to one of the most successful progaming teams in history, and through it, created a lineage of Terrans that would each rule the pro scene in their time. Let's take a walk through three generations of SKT T1 Terrans and see just how deadly this dynasty is.

The Godfather
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Lim Yo Hwan, first in a long line of SKT T1 Terrans.

If SKT T1 were a family, Lim Yo Hwan, the hyung, is certainly at its head. With wins over Jinnam and YellOw in the Hanbitsoft and Coca-Cola OSLs respectively, Boxer established himself as the dominant Terran on the scene, and despite many other contenders emerging over the years, is still very much a pillar of progaming. The question we have to ask then, is how did this gangly PC bang youth become a progaming establishment? The answer, though complex, lies somewhere in the bowels of the Terran Starport, where dropships are made.

Among the Terran units, the dropship in particular was not used by many Terran users. The reason was because of its slow speed, but I used the dropship often. Many people expressed that my plays were innovative and unique, but it was hard for me to understand why others did not use the dropship.
- Lim Yo Hwan, Crazy As Me

Although it's simplistic to limit Boxer's meta-game influence to one unit, there really is no other Terran component that so beautifully exemplifies how his play changed Starcraft as we know it. Although renown for brilliantly microing pretty much every unit, the dropship was his real enabler, giving him the freedom to perform everything from extensive tank harassment to multiple nukes. His personal gosu micro aside, however, Boxer's greatest contribution to the Terran meta-game was the mobility and aggressiveness he introduced into a race that was used to being constantly on the defensive. This paradigm shift is one that clearly influenced the way the race was to be played, and its ripple effect can be seen even in modern day Terran play, and builds like the Fantasy build. But more on the neo-gen SKT T1 Terran play later. First, back to Boxer.

Lim Yo Hwan's other main contribution to the Terran meta game, and this contribution, it must be said, is perhaps even more significant than his dropship use, is the micro heavy biomed strategies he used. From triple bunker rushing YellOw in EVER 2004, to the numerous other instances where he seemed to accomplish the impossible with a handful of mnm, Boxer is the man behind the marine and medic dominance that Terran was to begin dishing out in the years following his rise to fame. It is from this raw mnm use that another mighty Terran, Nada, refined and developed his then invincible SK Terran style.

Boxer's biomed and dropship use set in motion a series of events that would eventually forge Terran into the powerful offensive race it is today. Having hidden behind bunkers for years, Boxer's liberation of the humanoid species gave them the opportunity to come out and play, so to speak. His creativity and innovation not only motivated thousands of ladder players to go Terran, they also changed the way the pro scene in general approached the race. It is in his leadership of SKT T1, and indeed his mentoring of a young protege, however, that the Terran race finds its next main influence.

Prodigal Son
“The way I play is to create a pattern where I have an advantage, and then crush my opponents with momentum. That way my opponent can’t play with 100% of his skill. That’s why I think mind-games are more important than skill.” - iloveoov

From netting 2300+ on Game-i to becoming Boxer's teammate in February 2003, the Gorilla Terran's rags to riches story is one that warms all our hearts. A master student relationship that eventually culminated in the latter beating the former in one of the most epic OSL finals of all time, this was a partnership that SKT T1, and the progaming world in general, would not forget in a hurry.

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At EVER 2004, there was a succession, and the SKT T1 family had a new head.

“Oov's development of the Terran race was vital in the progress of Starcraft. Many advents of Oov pushed Starcraft heavily in the macro direction. When Reach found out that the only way to defeat Oov was to macro heavily himself, there was no more turning back from the macro focused route.” - Plexa, in I loved Victory (Part Two)

In order to support his macro into mass momentum approach, Iloveoov required more minerals, and that's exactly what he set about securing. Finding Boxer's 4rax/1base play constricting, the Terran tended to expand more quickly, always looking for more resources in his quest to macro hard. Eventually, this style of play developed into a defensive fast expansion build that would be later standardised by yet another SKT T1Terran, and made into the 14CC modern Terrans know and love. Thus, as his game developed, the Cheater Terran liked to play a defensive early game and go into a mid to late game where he could cover the map with tanks and turrets. In terms of TvZ, he played around with the 'bunk rush if close, FE if far' idea in response to harassment at the hands of his nemesis July. Needless to say, all this left a lasting influence on the Terran meta-game, an influence that would prompt Midas to develop two of the most household builds of today.

The batton was passed on, and even though their rivalry continued in individual leagues, Boxer and oov came together to form the most formidable front SKT T1 would ever know. It is this partnership, this veritable wall of greatness that the team would put forward as they cruised to victory in the 2005 SKY ProLeague Rounds 1 and 2, and the consequent Grand Final Win. Of course, none of these wins would have been possible if not for the help of yet another SKT T1 Terran.

A Touch of Gold
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Midas looked at Iloveoov's resource hungry FE builds and went on to standardise the TvZ EZ 8rax/14cc.

Midas. Few modern Starcraft fans know of him as the TvZ / TvP monster he was. Standardising the 8rax if close, 14cc if far concept for TvZ, and indeed, and standardising the FD in TvP, he was a force to be reckoned with, and a major boon for SKT T1 during their proleague dominance in 2005. Going 7 – 1 (2nd in indivual standings) and 9 – 4 (3rd in individual standings) respectively in 2005 Proleague Round 1 and 2, he basically sealed the deal for SKT1. He is the third Terran of the triumvirate of old, and a mighty one at that.

Sadly, Midas's contribution to the Terran meta game, though massive, is relatively unknown, mainly because all his hard work was eclipsed by the marauder we once called ipxzerg. Although Savior's ZvT dominance made it impossible for any Terran of that era to assert Boxer or Iloveoov-esque dominance, Midas' contribution to how Terran was played was by no means insignificant. He is most famously known for calling TvZ easy and quoting his 8rax/14cc formula for the matchup.

Starting his development precisely where iloveoov left off, Midas standardised both the Fake Double vs Protoss and the 14CC vs Zerg, both builds which every Terran learns at some point in his career. His influence on the Terran game has been immense, and together with Iloveoov, he took the race in a direction markedly different from that of Boxer. At the end of the day however, what must noted is that all three of these early SKT T1 Terrans left a lasting influence on making the race what it is today.

Seasons, however, like years, roll on, and times change, and so does this great game. A year or two ago, progaming fans observed that a shift was taking place in how professional Brood War was being played. Indeed, they were mostly right. Players like Flash and Jaedong arrived, and with their stunning mechanics, really set the bar a lot higher in terms of raw performance. It is this new challenge that the SKT T1 Terran lineage must now adapt to.

Final Fantasy
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“Hyung, this little nooblet wants to use valkyries in TvZ. I keep telling him no, but he won't listen! Imma make him scrub toilets all weekend.”
“Patient we must be, oov. A point he may have. Adjourn to the practice room, we will.”

The SKT T1 Terran sceptre has changed hands, and the future of this line rests on the young, but now increasingly experienced shoulders of Fantasy, a Terran who valykyried his way into the hearts and minds of fans everywhere just over two seasons ago. In the play of Fantasy we see something that so few Terrans of late have produced – innovation. Not only is Fantasy mechanically strong, and let's not argue about his mechanics, for he wouldn't make it very far in a modern OSL without some mad key thumping, but he is also adept at preparing and executing builds with cold precision.

YellOw jokes aside, Fantasy is more than just a perennial silver medalist. He is the hope of SKT T1, and the heir to a long line of Terrans who have each made their mark on the game. Even though he has only been around for a couple of seasons, Jung Myung Hoon has shown that he is an innovator, just like his predecessors. With his valkyrie usage vs GGPlay in 2008 Incruit OSL Semi-Final, the young Terran proved that he was indeed more than just pure mechanics or gamesense. Called the Terran Revolutionist here at Team Liquid, his genius mech build frustrated many a Zerg on iccup, as thousands of D/C Terrans rushed to mimic it. Forums were inundated with ZvT imba threads, and the world of Starcraft was shaken once again. Of course, it is far too early to put Fantasy in the same ballpark, or even the same league as Lim Yo Hwan, Choi Yun Sung or Jun Sang Wook.

What can be said, however, is that with such a strong Terran tradition at SKT T1, it is time that Boxer, oov and Midas realised that the mantle has been been passed. The last two OSL finals made it clear that coach Choi was working very closely with Fantasy. What SKT T1 fans hope, then, is that Lim Yo Hwan's return to the team will give him the time he needs to truly mentor Fantasy, the same way he worked with Choi, so many moons ago.

As Plexa once wrote, “Boxer has one important aspect about him which gives him a chance in Progaming - his charisma and role as a mentor,” and it is this role which The Emperor must now fulfill. Having being defeated in the 2009 Bacchus OSL offline qualifiers by a no name Protoss, it is no secret that his gaming needed some work. His main focus, however, at least at present, should not be so much on preparing himself for the next starleague, but in preparing his team, and indeed, in preparing his protege for true greatness. If he spends on Fantasy the time and energy he did on oov, one can only imagine the heights to wish he will be able to push the young Terran. The months following his return to ACE have been quiet, and SKT T1 fans can only hope that this time has been spent in the practice room with his new protege, the practice room where builds are developed, and plays are honed, and that from this room where the winning builds of Hanbit and Coca-Cola came, the winning plays of Bacchus S2 will also emerge.

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Boxer's mentoring of the new SKT T1 Terran is almost a pre-requisite for his continued success.

Making two Starleague finals in a row is not an easy task, and despite losing in both of them, the SKT T1 youngster has shown that he has in him certain traits that his mentors were known for. Firstly, and this is a characteristic he shares with Coach Choi, Fantasy is consistent. His mechanics are solid, and he is able to execute builds with a quiet determination. Like Boxer, he channels creativity into his play, as seen in the vulture/valkyrie build discussed earlier. What then keeps this SKT T1 Terran from a Starleague title? The answer, of course, is not much.

In Incruit, as a potential Royal Roader, he succumbed to the pressure, and crumbled under the weight of a far more experienced Stork, a silver medalist himself that had been in that very arena many a time. It is easy to write Fantasy off because of this loss, but we must remember that even though one of his mentors walked the Royal Road in Hanbitsoft, the other lost in the semi-finals of his first OSL to July, who would prove to be a thorn in the side in the seasons to come.

Here, it is worthwhile to note that Fantasy, despite losing to Stork in one OSL final, determinedly worked his way up to a second one, something that not many players have been able to do in recent seasons. His hard work paid off, and there was a notable change in his play as he took on Jaedong at Batoo. His first two games were executed with a razor sharp precision that the pro scene does not see much of these days. He was playing the best Zerg in the world, and opened confidently, controlling game one from start to finish.

“Not only did Fantasy's mech build completely neutralise The Tyrant's agents of death, they also dodged his scourge with ease. From the perfect sieging and unsieging of tanks, to the beautiful timing of his pushes, the set opener was a Fantasy funfest.” (A Grand Summation)

Similarly, in game two, the Terran made excellent use of his vultures, trapping Jaedong in his base, and effectively making him look less like the world class Zerg he is, and more like a Proleague fill-in who was being stomped hard.

From builds, to timings, game sense and just plain mechanics, the SKTT1 wonder kid was matching his Zerg counterpart play by play, and beating him comfortably. Nowhere in those two early games does Fantasy ever look like he is out of control. He engages Jaedong where he chooses to, and basically decides the ebb and flow of the game. In those first two games, he completely outclassed his opponent, and for this, he deserves much credit. (A Grand Summation)

Of course, history tells us that Fantasy did in fact lose the next three sets. What we need to focus on here, however, is not the outcome of the match, but the way the Fantasy approached it. In those first two games of the 2008 – 2009 Batoo OSL finals, there was a gleam of SKT T1 genius in the play of Jung Myung Hoon. A flicker even, but enough to show that the Terran lineage had continued, and that the team still very much had Pride of War.

Of course, this next OSL awaits, and with Fantasy seeded once again, the young Terran no doubt goes into the tournament with a lot of expectations. One could say third time lucky, but as we all know, luck has got very little to do with it. At the level he plays at, it will be Fantasy's mechanics, creative builds, and the newly acquired experience of two OSL finals that will be the driving force behind any walk to glory. If Boxer and Iloveoov invest in this new breed of Terran, and spend the hours, days and weeks needed to truly develop him into a player of their calibre, the world of Starcraft just may see another titan emerge in the seasons to come. The future of this dynasty of death, then, lies in the dexterous hands of a Terran, who having been robbed of the honour twice, is now battle hardened, and ready to reach for the stars with a firmer resolve than ever before.


Thanks to SilverskY for the epic cover image, and Plexa, the sentient incarnation of the TLPD, for all the history lessons.
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Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
May 04 2009 11:22 GMT
#2
Epic!
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United States11144 Posts
May 04 2009 11:23 GMT
#3
Thanks for this
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United States1631 Posts
May 04 2009 11:25 GMT
#4
Nice read.
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10319 Posts
May 04 2009 11:31 GMT
#5
O:

Nice [: <3

Great write-up!
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-04 11:38:34
May 04 2009 11:33 GMT
#6
i dont know what unit fits fantasy more

vultures or valkyries haha

Im soooooo glad you mentioned midas in your article. In my eyes midas is one of the most underrated players ever on how much he changed starcraft. In 2005-2006 literally every single terran from d players on pgtour to pros just did like 2 builds. 8 rax against zerg and fd against protoss. The guy known as like the unbreakable wall. Really popularized 2 fact tank heavy tvz. In his prime he would end every game with a 2 fact timing push. Dont remember seeing 14 cc a lotaround midas's time hmm. I think his quote was more like go 8 rax, bunker rush if zerg was close and just go fake bunker rush double command if they were far.

Skt1 is my all time favorite team. Terran forever~

Really great read.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
May 04 2009 12:05 GMT
#7
Haha, I agree with ilikestarcraft, this guy has two trademarks, vultures and valkyries. The OGN commentators mentioned that his new valk -> bionic build is now called 'valk-onic' or something, can't remember properly.
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Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
May 04 2009 12:19 GMT
#8
Aweome read riptide!!
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rakue
Profile Joined November 2008
Philippines7 Posts
May 04 2009 12:26 GMT
#9
Awesome read!

*sniff* makes me proud to be Terran.

Fantasy can do it. I just hope though that I could see Boxer dominate even for one last time. :D
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Germany1302 Posts
May 04 2009 12:44 GMT
#10
<3

See my Sig. Gotta add Fantasy soon
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Greece319 Posts
May 04 2009 12:49 GMT
#11
Great writeup!
If he spends on Fantasy the time and energy he did on oov, one can only imagine the heights to wish he will be able to push the young Terran.

Small typo ^^
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
May 04 2009 12:55 GMT
#12
Awesome, awesome read...

and yeah, wasn't Midas one of the few Terrans that can put up a decent fight against sAviOr back in the day?
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Taiwan952 Posts
May 04 2009 13:07 GMT
#13
too epic awesome to the maximum!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
May 04 2009 13:22 GMT
#14
Very nice read.

And yes, third time lucky I hope
wiesel
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Germany727 Posts
May 04 2009 13:41 GMT
#15
Great writeup!
samachking
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Bahrain4949 Posts
May 04 2009 14:10 GMT
#16
Great write up. Dismissing a failed apprentice is not nice though. Canata was supposed to be next in line before Fantasy and was hyped as the next big thing by oov. Will fantasy win another league? Maybe on one fateful day. But I do not see him ever topping Flash or any terran right now coming to the level of Flash who is in a completely different level of understanding of starcraft than that of any other terran. Oov and Boxer raised Fantasy and his builds derive from them, but even so I do not think he can top Flash, especially this season flash, the kind that has 2 MSL finalist to back up(not doing their job right now, but will soon), to prevent him from burning out.
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Hungary3932 Posts
May 04 2009 14:26 GMT
#17
Very nice writeup, gj.
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Canada1397 Posts
May 04 2009 14:32 GMT
#18
God, a TLFE about SKT T1's terran lineup, the subject couldn't get any better. Looking forward to coming back home tonight and taking my time reading it~
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
May 04 2009 14:34 GMT
#19
re. samachking's post: Canata's actually been playing some find Starcraft again lately, dating back to the Winners League. Boxer may be having an influence already. If this is for real, SK is basically imbalanced since nobody could match the Bisu-BeSt-fantasy-Canata lineup, although CJ's the closest. And if they then proceed to find a Zerg too (say, thezerg or s2 if either could get consistent)?
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10702 Posts
May 04 2009 14:41 GMT
#20
Nice one. Really enjoyed the read.



Btw:
I think it would be nice to have a TLFE on something else than a SKT1 Terran... I mean there was Oov, Boxer, now Fantasy + SKT1 history and the hype around the *Fantasy built*. Are SKT1/Terran fans just better at writing? :p
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United States5770 Posts
May 04 2009 15:08 GMT
#21
Fantastic, thanks a lot! :D
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Icysoul
Profile Joined December 2007
Canada254 Posts
May 04 2009 15:46 GMT
#22
loved it

Too many of the newer players seems to have forgotten midas. He really deserve much more than what we're giving him right now.
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Profile Joined November 2005
Guatemala357 Posts
May 04 2009 16:51 GMT
#23
Great article!

As many had say already, Midas gets a lot less of what he deserves, I guess the lack of titles is the cause, nevertheless I am glad you mention him here.
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Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
May 04 2009 17:03 GMT
#24
Thanks for the writeup, it's really enjoyable to read : )
Though didn't you kind of overdo the "oov is boxer's disciple" thing? Maybe it's just Boxer being modest but i'm pretty sure he always says that he definitely wasn't teaching Oov. He was a fellow player and focused on being a player, and that helping everyone out is the coach's job. Sure, having a great Terran in your team and household is helpful and eventually rubs off, but I always thought the whole "mentor" idea was added for more drama :p. Again maybe he was just being modest, but I feel you kind of pushed the Master/Disciple idea so far that Oov kind of loses a lot of credit for what he did.
However concerning Fantasy... yeah he's totally coach Choi's puppet :p

Again, awesome article!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
May 04 2009 17:20 GMT
#25
Great writeup. Fantasy has some great chances to grow, and in some of the games that he wins you can see him choosing between boxer's style and oovs style, especially in TvT, where he chooses to go agression soft mindgame contain with an economically agressive expansion
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 04 2009 17:22 GMT
#26
epic thanks :D
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Last Edited: 2009-05-04 18:09:56
May 04 2009 18:09 GMT
#27
Great read. Read it from the start till the very end. Ahh I remember lurking TL.net when oov started to get big, after that, Midas. Brings back the good ol' nostalgia and memories. Thanks again!
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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
May 04 2009 19:52 GMT
#28
Im out of words.

Amazing.

Woot.

If this infact happen, I will start liking fantasy by osmoses.
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ilistis
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States828 Posts
May 04 2009 19:54 GMT
#29
Awesome read.
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Belgium2115 Posts
May 04 2009 20:25 GMT
#30
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United States20661 Posts
May 04 2009 20:34 GMT
#31
D: poor Canata
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Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 04 2009 20:56 GMT
#32
On May 05 2009 00:46 Icysoul wrote:
loved it

Too many of the newer players seems to have forgotten midas. He really deserve much more than what we're giving him right now.

Completely agreed here. He should have beaten Savior in Pringles in the Semifinals, but he choked right at game 4 in a game he should have won (see this for instance) and he did push savior all the way every time they clashed - 3-2 in Pringles, 2-1 in Shinhan. So close.. but just couldn't get that title
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706 Posts
May 04 2009 20:59 GMT
#33
Ahhhh...

fantasy's vultures...
HooHa!
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United States688 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-04 21:08:58
May 04 2009 21:08 GMT
#34
On May 05 2009 05:56 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2009 00:46 Icysoul wrote:
loved it

Too many of the newer players seems to have forgotten midas. He really deserve much more than what we're giving him right now.

Completely agreed here. He should have beaten Savior in Pringles in the Semifinals, but he choked right at game 4 in a game he should have won (see this for instance) and he did push savior all the way every time they clashed - 3-2 in Pringles, 2-1 in Shinhan. So close.. but just couldn't get that title

Whats funny in that thread is someone called that Mumyung would be team captain. Of course in a joking manner back then, but look at him now! He IS! He's doing some great things for the SKT1 zergs.


Awesome article by the way, those guys made builds that lasted throughout the entire history of sc, they weren't specialized builds, but standardized.
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myzael
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Poland605 Posts
May 04 2009 21:21 GMT
#35
Great write-up. Enjoyed it.

I've been thinking about switching to terran for last few weeks. Such writings have huge influence
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
May 04 2009 21:25 GMT
#36
How many tlfe's are there now on boxer?
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errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
May 04 2009 21:37 GMT
#37
Lots of good stuff, the Midas stuff was eye-opening.

I think Boxer was using Valks in Gom before Fantasy ever came out with them, and Oov has been seemingly been largely credited for these revolutionary builds of Fantasy's. Didn't really see that perspective in the article, you think it was more Fantasy?
Spanxxx
Profile Joined February 2009
United States408 Posts
May 04 2009 21:58 GMT
#38
very entertaining read. thanks!
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United States3705 Posts
May 04 2009 22:10 GMT
#39
beautiful writeup.

Midas
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Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
May 04 2009 22:15 GMT
#40
Epic...

SKT.. where amazing Terrans happen..

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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-04 22:31:35
May 04 2009 22:30 GMT
#41
Great read (and T1 will be the greatest forever).

On May 04 2009 19:59 riptide wrote:He also gave birth to one of the most successful progaming teams in history
Fixed this for you :p
It's even more clear when you count the old team names (Orion, 4U) :p


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At EVER 2004, there was a succession, and the SKT T1 family had a new head.

That picture was taken way, way later though. Not 100% certain on the date T1 changed their uniforms (and can't be bothered to search really), but they used the blue/white one until very late in '05 (Boxer was wearing one during the So1 final vs Anytime) and changed to red/white sometime after that
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Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
May 04 2009 22:50 GMT
#42
On May 05 2009 05:56 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2009 00:46 Icysoul wrote:
loved it

Too many of the newer players seems to have forgotten midas. He really deserve much more than what we're giving him right now.

Completely agreed here. He should have beaten Savior in Pringles in the Semifinals, but he choked right at game 4 in a game he should have won (see this for instance) and he did push savior all the way every time they clashed - 3-2 in Pringles, 2-1 in Shinhan. So close.. but just couldn't get that title


wow o_o
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
May 04 2009 22:57 GMT
#43
Is that gorush behind oov? I never knew he was in skt1
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
May 04 2009 23:04 GMT
#44
Easily one of my favorite TLFE, right up there with Plexa's Ilovedvictory. (See sig for bias)

I think the SKT terrans are one of the few branches of race/team combos that aren't afraid to show that they have a strong relationship to the open and it makes them undeniably strong. You fight one of them, you're fighting all of them, which stork said in incruit, was the most dangerous thing about Fantasy.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 04 2009 23:10 GMT
#45
I hate Terran and SKT1, and this article still made me respect them, kudos ^^
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Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-04 23:21:44
May 04 2009 23:21 GMT
#46
On May 05 2009 05:34 Last Romantic wrote:
D: poor Canata

lol D: that's sad
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
May 04 2009 23:31 GMT
#47
“Hyung, this little nooblet wants to use valkyries in TvZ. I keep telling him no, but he won't listen! Imma make him scrub toilets all weekend.”
“Patient we must be, oov. A point he may have. Adjourn to the practice room, we will.”


lolz,
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
May 04 2009 23:39 GMT
#48
Nice write-up. Very insightful and inspiring. It is still a matter of wondering though, whether fantasy'll actually follow through.
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ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
May 04 2009 23:40 GMT
#49
Great Article!!!!

Read it while listening to "Lux Aeterna" by Clint Mansell (That epic song they always put on movie trailers)

EPIC!
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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
May 04 2009 23:46 GMT
#50
On May 05 2009 07:30 Carnac wrote:
That picture was taken way, way later though. Not 100% certain on the date T1 changed their uniforms (and can't be bothered to search really), but they used the blue/white one until very late in '05 (Boxer was wearing one during the So1 final vs Anytime) and changed to red/white sometime after that


Oh yeah, for sure. Just to be clear, most of the situations in the pictures are not historically accurate, and are just inserted to highlight a point or provide some lulz.

In response to questions regarding who created the Fantasy build - yes, Boxer used valkyries in GOM but that was with mnm iirc, and though oov is (sometimes?) co-credited with creating the vulture/valkyrie build, in the very least, Fantasy is the one who is given credit for its perfect execution. I'm not a big strategy guy, but I think that though oov certainly had some say in its creation, the Fantasy build is called just that for a reason.
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
May 05 2009 00:03 GMT
#51
I didn't really get what the big deal was with Midas until I saw this game. This was at Savior's peak, mind you.


May the BeSt man win.
SlayerS_`HackeR`
Profile Joined November 2008
United States190 Posts
May 05 2009 00:19 GMT
#52
Plexa your articles are freakin great
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theobsessed1
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States576 Posts
May 05 2009 00:50 GMT
#53
Extremely well written. Made me proud that I am Terran once again.. I really hope Fantasy wins this OSL T_T
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amish
Profile Joined February 2009
United States85 Posts
May 05 2009 00:57 GMT
#54
This literally gave me shivers. Amazing writeup.
Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
May 05 2009 00:58 GMT
#55
great article yo!
Firebathero is still the best!
Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
May 05 2009 01:22 GMT
#56
Poor Canata not being mentioned at all in the article due to his lack of accomplistments haha. Anyone knows what's going on with Midas atm? He used to be my favourite back then, is he in B team now?
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
May 05 2009 02:34 GMT
#57
Well, that put me in a great mood. Work was boring, but the history lesson just made my night. Riptide, you did some excellent work there, keep it up dude.
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
May 05 2009 02:49 GMT
#58
On May 04 2009 21:44 Chosi wrote:
<3

See my Sig. Gotta add Fantasy soon

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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
May 05 2009 02:54 GMT
#59
Screw fantasy, I want Boxer to win more OSLs!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
May 05 2009 03:09 GMT
#60
On May 05 2009 09:19 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
Plexa your articles are freakin great


I'm sure plexa is honored, but riptide wrote it and posted it, so you should probably give thanks to him...
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Korea (South)1541 Posts
May 05 2009 03:19 GMT
#61
awesome read
ggyo...
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
May 05 2009 04:56 GMT
#62
Ya
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MINI-Boxer and BOXER!
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Profile Joined April 2009
Canada7 Posts
May 05 2009 04:57 GMT
#63
Very nice reading here.

Nearly forgot about Midas >.<
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checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
May 05 2009 05:26 GMT
#64
Great man really great gj pal =D thx
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Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 05 2009 05:30 GMT
#65
seems like fantasy has been far more heavily influenced by oov than by boxer, at least for now.
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Profile Joined February 2009
United States552 Posts
May 05 2009 05:48 GMT
#66
I look forward to the marching of Fantasy's mechs.
So close, and yet so far
shavingcream66
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1219 Posts
May 05 2009 05:52 GMT
#67
loved the read
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
May 05 2009 06:07 GMT
#68
This was a great read and I totally agree about midas being a big player of the terrans... it was so odd though and I wasn't sure if it was just me... but I thought midas was going to be a name to be remembered and constantly mentioned... but then he just disappeared. Our beloved emo terran.

I also enjoyed all the links and replies, I got a lot of stuff to read and watch now.
(also that pic+caption is lulz)
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Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
May 05 2009 06:07 GMT
#69
thanks!
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Profile Joined October 2008
Germany559 Posts
May 05 2009 06:46 GMT
#70
absolutely awesome. Really good to read and the content just keeps getting more and more interessting.
MurderU
Profile Joined May 2008
Norway24 Posts
May 05 2009 07:32 GMT
#71
very well done
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
May 05 2009 07:58 GMT
#72
On May 05 2009 14:30 oneofthem wrote:
seems like fantasy has been far more heavily influenced by oov than by boxer, at least for now.


Boxer has just gotten back, but even now you can see that Fantasy is starting to emphasize is mid-game micro better then he did during the Incruit OSL.
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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 05 2009 08:27 GMT
#73
Incredibly educational re: Midas. Thank you so much for this.
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Singapore6164 Posts
May 05 2009 09:10 GMT
#74
Makes me proud to be a T1 fan
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-05 11:14:58
May 05 2009 10:41 GMT
#75
Great write-up! Especially the info on (T)Midas. However, I dont think (T)fantasy deserves to be mentioned in any report of SK-T1 dynasties, not yet. He is the one, for sure, to possibly take the SK name higher, but currently he has proved nothing except that he is good at playing prepared builds very well. We know that it was not his pure brilliance in the previous OSL but rather a brilliant planned attack on three maps. (Z)Jaedong, who is his own master, displayed true virtuosity in the recent final by coming back from quite a mental deficit to play a perfect game no less and eventually destroy his terran opponent. That day the tyrant, (Z)Jaedong, defeated two legendary terrans and their lackey in one series. Utterly astounding.

(T)BoxeR and (T)Oov are legends. (T)Midas is a hero. (T)fantasy is a young, well coached A+ Terran, at best.
+ Show Spoiler +
After watching (Z)HoGiL outclass him, every step of the way today, on Medusa this sentiment is further exemplified
fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
May 05 2009 10:48 GMT
#76
Very impressive article, thanks!
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-05 11:03:23
May 05 2009 11:01 GMT
#77
hm nice reading, but i cant agree with some points.

boxers style is very disctinctive and cant afaik be compared to oov. boxer uses his insane (dropship) micro to harass like shit and thus gain a huge advantage for the midgame. he also frequently used cheese builds like bunker rushes. oov on the other hand is a solid, macro based player. at least what i saw of him he doesnt cheese much. so i dont know how boxer should have mentored someone who is focussing on his macro so much. i think much of this "oh boxer lost the OSL final to his student" story is exaggerated. ofc they will have played against each other a lot, will have spoken about bos, maps, strategies, other players. but thats it. i really cant imagine boxer standing behind oov, in one hand a piece of paper with a bo ("u r at 34 sup, third fac NOW! .. and watch ur scvs!"), in the other a towel and a bottle of o2 active. i read here somewhere that oov had beaten boxer like 3 times in a row before getting lured to SKT1 so to me its more like they were more or less equally good but still very different in style and each of them gained a profit from training with the other one, not only oov. t.t

but yeah, fantasy seems to be the new terran skt1 hope. its funny how different terran players can be, fantasy-flash is a bit like boxer-oov to me t.t
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 05 2009 12:27 GMT
#78
Wow, awesome.

It's just a pity, fantasy cant use Bio
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
The.Crow
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
619 Posts
May 05 2009 12:27 GMT
#79
sweet, also love the photos!
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
May 05 2009 13:33 GMT
#80
Really nice write-up
“Hyung, this little nooblet wants to use valkyries in TvZ. I keep telling him no, but he won't listen! Imma make him scrub toilets all weekend.”
“Patient we must be, oov. A point he may have. Adjourn to the practice room, we will.”
Nice one
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Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
May 05 2009 13:38 GMT
#81
“Hyung, this little nooblet wants to use valkyries in TvZ. I keep telling him no, but he won't listen! Imma make him scrub toilets all weekend.”
“Patient we must be, oov. A point he may have. Adjourn to the practice room, we will.”


ROFL
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
May 05 2009 16:21 GMT
#82
I just dream with Boxer, Ovvo and Fantasy after readying this XD
El amor no mueve al mundo, ni hace brillar el sol, pero el amor hace latir este corazon....
Initial_H.C.
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada560 Posts
May 05 2009 16:22 GMT
#83
Ah... such a beautiful read for SKT-T1 Terran fans like me
So heart warming =) <3

SKT-T1 Terrans Fighting~!
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
May 05 2009 20:11 GMT
#84
On May 04 2009 21:55 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Awesome, awesome read...

and yeah, wasn't Midas one of the few Terrans that can put up a decent fight against sAviOr back in the day?

before he pissed off the Broodwar gods and picked Savior into his..OSL group? methinks
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caradepitbull
Profile Joined June 2008
Peru9 Posts
May 05 2009 21:36 GMT
#85
epic!
nose de que hablan
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
May 05 2009 23:48 GMT
#86
+3/+3 on my SKT1 Terran knowledge
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
Disintegrate
Profile Joined April 2009
United States182 Posts
May 06 2009 00:20 GMT
#87
where the hell is bisu in this list
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
May 06 2009 02:20 GMT
#88
Good luck Fantasy!
Brood War loyalist
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
May 06 2009 10:03 GMT
#89
Love this!
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decker247[DtYt]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States20 Posts
May 06 2009 19:50 GMT
#90
too bad flash is there he has the potential to be the best starcraft player not just in the world but to ever play the game
they say im noob but thne i owned them ahahah santa take that XD
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
May 07 2009 01:04 GMT
#91
excellent article, and well written too. there is no doubt in my mind that fantasy will get a gold in an OSL, and you can hardly fault him for losing to jaedong, of all people. These players are some of the greatest innovators starcraft has ever seen, and are pretty much the reason SKT1 is my favorite team.
also: is the SK terran build called what it is because of terrans from SKT1?
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
May 07 2009 01:38 GMT
#92
long/good read
the throws never bothered me anyway
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
May 07 2009 01:51 GMT
#93
On May 07 2009 10:04 funnybananaman94 wrote:
excellent article, and well written too. there is no doubt in my mind that fantasy will get a gold in an OSL, and you can hardly fault him for losing to jaedong, of all people. These players are some of the greatest innovators starcraft has ever seen, and are pretty much the reason SKT1 is my favorite team.
also: is the SK terran build called what it is because of terrans from SKT1?


No, it was named after (T)SoulKey but was later refined a lot by Nada. It was the build that made him practically invincible TvZ.
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Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-07 05:44:03
May 07 2009 05:39 GMT
#94
I would say "A dead dynasty", since first three kings are dead and can't compete, and it's last representative (T)fantasy is a miserable looser.
colonel_west
Profile Joined June 2008
Sweden7 Posts
May 07 2009 07:12 GMT
#95
great article, highly entertaining
ei forever
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
May 07 2009 07:16 GMT
#96
man[ I fuckind loved readin this!!!

(T)iloveoov is so sexy too, Im like in love with him
w/e
5FDP
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany44 Posts
May 07 2009 19:14 GMT
#97
awesome article
nobody wants to be a loser drone and mine all day (Tasteless)
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
May 07 2009 21:13 GMT
#98
On May 06 2009 09:20 Disintegrate wrote:
where the hell is bisu in this list

bisu isnt terran
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
May 08 2009 17:05 GMT
#99
On May 07 2009 14:39 Bifur wrote:
I would say "A dead dynasty", since first three kings are dead and can't compete, and it's last representative (T)fantasy is a miserable looser.


troll much? and how is fantasy a loser...he's made it to consecutive OSL finals past strong players, first by bringing the fantasy build and destroying GGPlay and then 3-0ing bisu.
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wo0py
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Netherlands922 Posts
May 09 2009 11:17 GMT
#100
Great read! I think it is most fun to watch terrans win some, protoss win some and zerg win some. But i must say.. Using a chinese wall with korean progamer heads is not respectifull i think
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pedduck
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Thailand468 Posts
May 12 2009 09:52 GMT
#101
As a terran minion, I can only say "Long live the Emperor"
Raiju
Profile Joined December 2007
Australia235 Posts
May 17 2009 23:38 GMT
#102
"Hyung, this little nooblet wants to use valkyries in TvZ. I keep telling him no, but he won't listen! Imma make him scrub toilets all weekend.”
“Patient we must be, oov. A point he may have. Adjourn to the practice room, we will.”

LMAO.
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
May 25 2009 12:31 GMT
#103
wow i missed this great article, congrat. to Riptide!
sky_slasher
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States328 Posts
May 28 2009 01:01 GMT
#104
Nada not the origin of SK Terran...more likely it was SoulKey, hence "SK"; read my post discussing this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93836

Thanks!
riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
May 28 2009 13:28 GMT
#105
On May 28 2009 10:01 sky_slasher wrote:
Nada not the origin of SK Terran...more likely it was SoulKey, hence "SK"; read my post discussing this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93836

Thanks!


Earlier in this thread -

On May 07 2009 10:51 riptide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 10:04 funnybananaman94 wrote:
excellent article, and well written too. there is no doubt in my mind that fantasy will get a gold in an OSL, and you can hardly fault him for losing to jaedong, of all people. These players are some of the greatest innovators starcraft has ever seen, and are pretty much the reason SKT1 is my favorite team.
also: is the SK terran build called what it is because of terrans from SKT1?


No, it was named after (T)SoulKey but was later refined a lot by Nada. It was the build that made him practically invincible TvZ.

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g0G0RandOm
Profile Joined December 2004
Switzerland80 Posts
May 26 2011 08:30 GMT
#106
Those people are the one who made Starcraft Broodwar what it is today.


Cheer to them.

Regards.
Cry me a river
BlackTactiks
Profile Joined May 2011
United States52 Posts
May 27 2011 06:32 GMT
#107
wow dis is epic i want boxer to train me as a T lol...
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