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JoMal
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
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Eeevil
Netherlands359 Posts
On September 19 2009 13:28 Mobius wrote: lol no, Jaedong got 3rd place in wcg.. But Bisu got 1st.. and yes i know he carried his team to finals.. But Bisu won the finals.. Winning WCG has a lot more merit than those statistics. Bisu did not win proleague, SKT1 did. But this sort of bickering can and will continue until they go head to head in a Bo5 or even Bo3 once again. WCG finals has a good chance of that imo. | ||
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iSiN
United States1075 Posts
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 19 2009 12:47 SnIpEuOuT wrote: Jaedong repopularized 2 hatch muta in ZvT Jaedong has certainly affected each matchup as much as Nada has. Two-hatch Muta in ZvT is his, 5-hatch hydra is his, and JvZ is, well, JvZ. The thing to notice is that Nada's influence on how EVERY race plays Starcraft is being undervalued. Nada's harrassment-based tornado style has changed the game for every race, not just Terran, in a way similar to Boxer's micro innovations or iloveoov's macro style. So while Mobius is understating the effect Jaedong has had on the game, you're also understating how much Nada has done. On September 19 2009 12:47 SnIpEuOuT wrote: Savior lost in 2 msl finals, meanwhile Jaedong has only lost in 1 starleague finals. To be fair, one of those MSL finals marked the end of Savior's peak, something we haven't seen from Jaedong yet. Career statistics are hard to compare between those two, because they're at very different stages of their careers (as you said, Jaedong still has time to accumulate titles--he also has time to accumulate losses as well). On September 19 2009 12:47 SnIpEuOuT wrote: Jaedong has gone deep in almost every starleague this year, therefore he has been facing harder competition then Bisu who has been getting knocked out of starleagues early. Eh, deeper into starleagues doesn't necessarily imply tougher competition (Kwanro is a starleague finalist, after all). What we can probably say reasonably is that Jaedong is a much better series player (at least in Bo5s). Bisu wins Bo1s just as well as Jaedong. Does he have more practice time per-game than Jaedong? Yes. But that doesn't make him a worse player. They're probably well-matched for Bo3s as well (given that Bisu just tore his way through an essentially Bo3-only format). I think the real difference is that Jaedong has the nerves and the determination to pull through a Bo5. For those of you who haven't, go watch Bisu v Iris game 5. There's a moment toward the middle-end that shows Bisu's FPVOD, and it becomes dreadfully apparent why Bisu doesn't win starleagues: his FPVOD at that moment is much slower than his usual, and nothing compared to a Jaedong FPVOD, even from game 5. Bisu, for whatever reason, cannot keep his skill level up through a Bo5 set (at least when the matchup isn't PvP). Jaedong can. Hell, given that Jaedong is the comeback champion, it's arguable that Jaedong gets STRONGER as the match progresses. "Perfect Bisu play" might be as good as "Perfect Jaedong play", but let's face it--Bisu almost never shows that strong play past the 3rd game of a set. EDIT; An interesting statistic I found when combing the TLPD: Bisu has not beaten a zerg in a Bo5 since he 3-0ed Kwanro in GOM MSL 3. He's only ever won 3 Bo5s against zergs, once against Kwanro, once against GoRush, and of course his (in)famous 3-0 against Savior. For someone who's known for having the best PvZ in the world, he really hasn't played that many Bo5s against them. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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Atlan
Taiwan36 Posts
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Nazzick
United States96 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2609 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
So yeah, Jaedong is better right now, but I don't think the difference between the two is as great as you imply. | ||
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youlijp
Brazil112 Posts
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disciple
9071 Posts
and ofc it will turn to another jaedong-bisu debate. For 2 paragraphs in a otherwise awesome article about Jaedong's skills, he is trolling Bisu and his fans. No matter how reasonable the writer is trying to be I dont see how a "B sucks, then A is better" statement can reinforce the point of the whole article.... Federer is the best. He is the complete tennis player, inside the court and out of it. His achievements are unmatched and inspiring. Nadal just isnt that good - his serve is poor, he has no volley. He tends to lose on hard courts and usually in the end of the seasons he is burned out. Nadal gets injured very often. ... I think thats what the article sounds like, Plexa. If you wanted to write about Bisu in your Jaedong focused article, why did you do it near the end anyway, where usually the writer should bring out the biggest gun to make the whole thing actually make sense | ||
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ryuu_
United States1266 Posts
I don't understand why a Bisu vs JD has to be pulled in here, just enjoy Plexa's epic writing skills, let the year unfold with Bisu vs JD matches and then go argue, not now. | ||
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
Nice article by the way. | ||
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
I read everything, ate the whole page up and digested every line. What can I say, I really do feel Jaedong is like the Bruce Lee of progaming, his physique, killer eyes and instinct, and just that attitude of his if you know what I mean. Way ahead of his time and just dominates. The All-Star 2009 Poll Results was a litle interesting to have a look at to and comparing all the legends wich there isn't really any bias since it's what any old SC fan knows is the intuitive truth of the past and history of the proscene. Well written and good luck in the future Plexa. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
 . And I liked it. Thanks. | ||
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