Here To Stay - Page 3

On September 19 2009 10:27 Plexa wrote:
Jaedong on the other hand hasn't brought anything new to the table since he's been at the top. And the thing is, because of his style, he doesn't need to. There are minor modifications like earlier hydras in TvZ to counter mech, but on the whole, his 2hatch muta style is still as viable as ever. This extends through to Bisu as well and so on.

On August 05 2009 10:00 EvoChamber wrote:

But you may be downplaying just how much Protoss was walking over Zerg before Jaedong's ascension at EVER. Yes, his vP was terrible before and up to game 1 against Stork. But as Hot_Bid pointed out in his FE, Jaedong learned ZvP right before our eyes in the finals of the most coveted prestigious league. Less than a month later, he proved the viability of 3hatch scourge->5hatch hydra against the world's best PvZer, Bisu, on Blue Storm and began the counter-revolution against forge FE that's reversed nearly all the advantages in strategy and morale that Bisu earned when he slaughtered Savior. At the same time, he was raping Terrans left and right with 2hatch muta and winning the great majority of his ZvZs. Only the sudden rise of Flash prevented him from winning both leagues that spring. It's possible that Jaedong's ZvP might still be abysmal if he had played Bisu in the EVER finals instead of Stork, but that's not what happened. Just as Flash would do in Bacchus, he used Stork to evolve his vP matchup to an S-class level and soon reversed the flow of the metagame (no more carriers vs. T, no more sair/dt vs. Z). Jaedong's strategic achievements (regression to 2hatch vs. T, expansion to 5hatch vs. P, complete paradigm shift vZ) are not as flashy as Savior's (3 hatch muta->lurker/defiler->ultra/ling vs. T, muta/lurk vs. P), but they have also had a great influence on the metagame. The reason 75% of OSL/MSL semifinalists are Zerg this season isn't just maps; it's also Jaedong, who proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the metagame that players with a broader strategic vision and weaker mechanics, like Savior, could not, or at the very least make those problems easier to solve.

On July 29 2009 22:43 ret wrote:
Right now, I feel like my ZvP is easily my best matchup. And I owe it all to the Bisu vs Jaedong game on destination. I feel like there is nothing protoss can do that I can't counter.

I thank you:

LEE JAE DONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On September 19 2009 10:05 xMiragex wrote:

the point being, bisu lacks something not easily definable.

On September 19 2009 11:05 Tien wrote:
And to all those arguing that Bisu isn't inferior to Jaedong.


Bisu vs Jaedong may be an even matchup. Just like how Yellow's stats vs Nada are even.


But Nada was the better player than Yellow. Nada won when it mattered.

Jaedong is better than Bisu. Jaedong wins when it matters.

On September 19 2009 11:19 Alethios wrote:
Great article man. Not sure i'd entirely agree with your statistical analysis though. The All-Star poll results are some indication of popularity, but with many contaminants. For instance:

A bias towards players who are less often playing televised matches. People see less of Boxer, Yellow, Savior these days and want to see them play again.

Strategic voting bias. People look at the current tally, and see players missing out on the top spots. They then vote for these players because they want to see them in the tournament, not because they're voting for their favourite player.

Thanks for the write up.