EPTThe Kings of TvP & Their Innovations - Page 3
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Zajoman
Slovakia16 Posts
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Blue
Norway359 Posts
anybody gonna do pvz or tvz? | ||
RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On December 04 2007 07:50 TryThis wrote: just wondering, where would you fit Boxer in this? eventhough boxer had some innovative strategies for TvP over the years, he never revolutionized something in TvP. He invented TvZ in its entirety though haha | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
"Boxer is the Legend of the Fall." On the Reach/iloveoov line: I think the proverbial nail in the coffin for iloveoov's TvP dominance was not the Mercury game [though it was quite revolutionary] but rather the 3-0 thrashing Reach gave oov in MSL a bit afterwards. Especially that Luna game. The Requiem game was soooo gooooood | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6775 Posts
and yeah I was wondering about the 3-0 too | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On December 04 2007 08:15 Last Romantic wrote: You know how they say Protoss wins fall StarLeagues? "Boxer is the Legend of the Fall." On the Reach/iloveoov line: I think the proverbial nail in the coffin for iloveoov's TvP dominance was not the Mercury game [though it was quite revolutionary] but rather the 3-0 thrashing Reach gave oov in MSL a bit afterwards. Especially that Luna game. The Requiem game was soooo gooooood Hmm you have a point there. The mercury game just seemed symbolic, because it was the first in its kind, with this style of mid and lategame play. the start of a new gameflow. but yeah his dominance seemed to continue because he won the osl (finals were TvT though, and as he said in the interview, he was lucky in the semifinals). I think that if Reach and Oov played another BO3 1 week after the EVER2004 OSL, reach wouldve won 3-0 too. Also the MSL maps differed from the OSL maps in terms of style and balance | ||
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Hittegods
Stockholm4641 Posts
On December 04 2007 07:51 Zajoman wrote: I believe the game Reach > Oov is this. Yeah, that´s the right one. | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
Wang Liqin - iloveoov Defense first, macro, then OWN. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11562 Posts
Or at least Ma Lin & Wang Nan. | ||
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himurakenshin
Canada1845 Posts
On December 04 2007 04:30 GrandInquisitor wrote: Nowadays a more modern trend is to fake FD, enticing a 2gate hard goon rush into FE, and then hitting with an early 2fact tank timing attack. FD stands for Fake Double no? | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
yeah, what he means is you show him 1tank 4 rine and 1 vult, make him 2gate powergoon FE, and then roll over him with 2fact tank/vult, while he has 5-6 goons and no obs | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13385 Posts
 St.Eagle?I'd say he had a fairly significant influence | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On December 04 2007 09:54 RowdierBob wrote: How about St.Eagle?I'd say he had a fairly significant influence hmm don't really know him / his style enlighten me | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
supposedly the inventor of it great thread btw | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On December 04 2007 10:08 SoMuchBetter wrote: st.eagle was one of the first to use metal against protoss supposedly the inventor of it great thread btw is that pre 1.08? probably is, no? didnt watch that many vods back then. | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13385 Posts
On December 04 2007 09:59 RaGe wrote: hmm don't really know him / his style enlighten me He's credited with popularising vults and tanks in TvP. There should be some old 1.08 reps around. There are also some cool Boxer vs Spunky reps of rines vs P before metal was the accepted method of tvping. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
The development of the "metal" terran play vs protoss is often credited to several western battle.net players, among them NTT. Other players such as Slayer, Crexis, probably Zileas because he had a great strategic mind and used many of the strategies we see today as early as the bw beta. Hearcutter's deep six, while rather silly-looking these days, was a nice strat to counter early protoss. And Boxer's dropship play changed TvP a lot as well. Everybody and their grandmother did the 2 tank dropship play, the 3 fac tank and the island goliath play back in his heydays st.Eagle was once said to be the best terran in the world, much based on his great metal usage, but calling him the inventor would be hard to defend. Nowadays he is probably most famous for that fantastic game vs Garimto on silentvortex during sky 2002. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On December 04 2007 10:37 RowdierBob wrote: He's credited with popularising vults and tanks in TvP. There should be some old 1.08 reps around. There are also some cool Boxer vs Spunky reps of rines vs P before metal was the accepted method of tvping. Err if I remember correctly Boxer used mass marines to counter carriers in most of those games. Was rather cool to watch the interceptors die -_- | ||
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