Flash is pioneering the whole Goliaths-early trend for TvP, which not only defends well against Reaver harass and Zealot bombs, but primes him for the two Protoss late-game weapons, Carriers and Arbiters. He's also bringing back the heavy usage of Science Vessels and EMP into games (especially those that involve Arbiters), as Gol/Tank < Vult/Tank for an Arbiter-based late-game build. The Science Vessels tend to equalize it out.

This is combined with a turtle-heavy early -> midgame transition, as this Goliath build is much weaker to early pressure than a Vulture build would be.

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

March 01 2008 23:42 GMT

#123

On March 02 2008 03:36 xBTx wrote:

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how so?

in this way

useLess

United States4781 Posts

March 02 2008 00:04 GMT

#124

Id agree that Flash is an innovator, but its still early. If he can continue playing strong games and doing well in TvP (with or without his mech build), then he might earn a spot here.

Highways

Australia6119 Posts

March 02 2008 01:55 GMT

#125

Flash's build is

- fe into early armory

- quick 3rd expo

- timing rush

- if timing rush isn't sucessful then TURTLE LIKE CRAZY and take as much expos as possible

- once 200/200 and 3/3 move out with main army

xBTx

Canada542 Posts

March 02 2008 03:14 GMT

#126

On March 02 2008 08:42 Plexa wrote:

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in this way

-_- I should check before I ask next time...

TehKris

Norway322 Posts

March 02 2008 11:59 GMT

#127

Today there are 2 kings; Flash and Iris!

FeArTeHsCoUrGe

United States58 Posts

March 04 2008 01:14 GMT

#128

To be frank, Flash hasn't pioneered anything yet. He simply won a tournament using a strategy that he is good at using.

If other terran players are able to copy his build and seamlessly pwn other Protoss players on imba maps like Katrina, then we can consider Flash to have innovated another change in the way TvP is played.

Until then, hes just a wonder kid with a good strategic sense.

recklessspite

United States15 Posts

March 04 2008 02:21 GMT

#129

On March 04 2008 10:14 FeArTeHsCoUrGe wrote:
To be frank, Flash hasn't pioneered anything yet. He simply won a tournament using a strategy that he is good at using.

If other terran players are able to copy his build and seamlessly pwn other Protoss players on imba maps like Katrina, then we can consider Flash to have innovated another change in the way TvP is played.

Until then, hes just a wonder kid with a good strategic sense.

True, but it still made me cringe when Tasteless called him a "very orthodox player".

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

March 05 2008 00:56 GMT

#130

On March 04 2008 10:14 FeArTeHsCoUrGe wrote:
To be frank, Bisu hasn't pioneered anything yet. He simply won a tournament using a strategy that he is good at using.

If other protoss players are able to copy his build and seamlessly pwn other Zerg players ~~on imba maps like Katrinas~~, then we can consider Bisu to have innovated another change in the way ZvP is played.

Until then, hes just a wonder kid with a good strategic sense.

This sounds pretty much like teamliquid around March 3rd, 2007.

ATeddyBear

Canada2843 Posts

March 05 2008 01:37 GMT

#131

bisu plays Z against P?

GeneralStan

United States4789 Posts

March 05 2008 05:47 GMT

#132

I think the early Armory trend is going to take hold. Upgrades and goliaths early is good play, which as a Toss player, I'm really not looking forward to.

FeArTeHsCoUrGe

United States58 Posts

March 05 2008 08:57 GMT

#133

On March 05 2008 09:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:

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This sounds pretty much like teamliquid around March 3rd, 2007.

Guess what? Other Protoss players did copy his build. And it was successful. Therefore we were able to say Bisu pioneered that build.

If other players can copy Flash's build vs Protoss with success, then we can say Flash is a pioneer as well. As of yet, we will have to see.

Oh, and unlike Bisu, I doubt Flash will slump once this build is cracked.

LoStYouRSkiLLS

Australia223 Posts

March 05 2008 09:24 GMT

#134

Very interesting read, well written. =)

weiliem

2073 Posts

March 05 2008 10:54 GMT

#135

Bisu's build did cracked having the zerg players now going for early mass hydra harassment killing (P)

Bisu in early game making him losing so many games already. and now (P)

Bisu is forced to swap back to the reaver play instead of the dt play...look at the previous games and u will know.....but what we found out is that, he is still going for the mass corsairs, maybe that is the thing he made protoss players change, going for mass corsairs.

weiliem

2073 Posts

March 05 2008 11:01 GMT

#136

but

Flash, i do agree. he will be changing terran player's playing style on imbalance protoss maps like Katrina. his early gols build really counter carriers well making even the best PvT player, (P)

Stork also losing to him. but in balance maps like pyton, (T)

NaDa's build is still the best.

RaGe

Belgium9950 Posts

March 05 2008 14:24 GMT

#137

While Flash has shown innovative play during the past months, and yes he has adapter perfectly to both Blue Storm and Katrina, this just proves that he was the best prepared terran on those maps. He indeed adapted his build order, but not in that sense that it will prove to become a revolution. Unless Blue Storm and Katrina will stay in the map pool, or other similar maps will join the pool, Flash himself will also move on and stop using that build, as it has its vurnerabilities.

On the upside: Flash has certainly proven that he can prepare like no one else. He has only played this game for 3 years and learned so fast. I think because he can learn so fast, he can also fast adopt his play to a new map, 'learn the map' fast. While I dont see a future for Flash as innovator of TvP, I certainly see a future of him as "Perfect Terran" (sorry Xellos) , preparing perfectly, having the game in his control permanently. And I think this flexibility will prove to be very useful in the future, as OGN and MBC seem to come up with crazier and crazier maps every single time.

I might always just be proven wrong, maybe Flash is just insanely good at vs Carrier play, and that made his season. Only time will tell I guess, and when you will quote this post in a month or 6 and prove me completely wrong, I will be surprised, but not completely amazed. Strategic player analysis only goes so far.

So I hope you guys kinda see why I refuse to add him to my post (yet?), and I hope you guys can somewhat agree on my vision of Flash's play.