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New Map
Source: http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/view.php?id=free2&no=30517
몽환 (MongHwan - "Fantasy") is our new map, shown during the OSL Group Selection Ceremony. PGR has some screen captures and a short description. Click the link for many more screenshots.
Click here for larger (1024x1024) map pic extracted by ReXplorer.
Here's LosingID8's description from his transcription/translation of the Group Selection:
Combination of 4 maps, Nostalgia at 1, Ride of Valkyries at 5, Gaema Gowon at 7, and Genosky at 11
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Source: http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/view.php?id=newvod&no=6966
Looks like this OSL (still no announcement of a sponsor?) will have games once a week.
★May 11, 2007 OnGameNet Starleague 1st Season Ro16 Week 1
Group A - Game 1 - Python
sAviOr[gm](Z) VS iloveoov(T)
Group B - Game 1 - Hitchhiker
HwaSin(T) VS DarkElf(T)
Group C - Game 1 - 몽환
IriS[gm](T) VS Reach(P)
Group D - Game 1 - Monty Hall
GGPlay(Z) VS Stork(P)
★May 18, 2007 OnGameNet Starleague 1st Season Ro16 Week 2
Group A - Game 2 - Hitchhiker
By.Flash(T) VS Light[aLive](T)
Group B - Game 2 - 몽환
NaDa(T) VS Bisu(P)
Group C - Game 2 - Monty Hall
Shark[gm](Z) VS Bifrost(T)
Group D - Game 2 - Python
Casy(T) VS UpMagiC(T)
★May 25, 2007 OnGameNet Starleague 1st Season Ro16 Week 3
Group A - Game 3 - 몽환
sAviOr[gm](Z) VS By.Flash(T)
Group B - Game 3 - Monty Hall
Bisu(P) VS DarkElf(T)
Group C - Game 3 - Python
IriS[gm](T) VS Shark[gm](Z)
Group D - Game 3 - Hitchhiker
UpMagiC(T) VS Stork(P)
★June 1, 2007 OnGameNet Starleague 1st Season Ro16 Week 4
Group A - Game 4 - 몽환
iloveoov(T) VS Light[aLive](T)
Group B - Game 4 - Monty Hall
NaDa(T) VS HwaSin(T)
Group C - Game 4 - Python
Reach(P) VS Bifrost(T)
Group D - Game 4 - Hitchhiker
Casy(T) VS GGPlay(Z)
★June 8, 2007 OnGameNet Starleague 1st Season Ro16 Week 5
Group A - Game 5 - Monty Hall
Light[aLive](T) VS sAviOr[gm](Z)
Group B - Game 5 - Python
Bisu(P) VS HwaSin(T)
Group C - Game 5 - Hitchhiker
Bifrost(T) VS IriS[gm](T)
Group D - Game 5 - 몽환
UpMagiC(T) VS GGPlay(Z)
★June 15, 2007 OnGameNet Starleague 1st Season Ro16 Week 6
Group A - Game 6 - Monty Hall
iloveoov(T) VS By.Flash(T)
Group B - Game 6 - Python
DarkElf(T) VS NaDa(T)
Group C - Game 6 - Hitchhiker
Reach(P) VS Shark[gm](Z)
Group D - Game 6 - 몽환
Stork(P) VS Casy(T)
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CA10835 Posts
MongHwan looks like it'll provide us a lot of great games, but from the progamers' perspective it'd be a bitch to prepare for.
Not only do you have to practice a specific matchup, but depending on what position you get, and the position your opponent gets the gameplay could vary a ton.
But according to the interview with the Sparkyz coach about the new map, the progamers enjoy play on it, so we'll see how it turns out.
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It translates to something along the lines of
Fantasy
Which sort of makes sense.
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the map combination isnt too apparent to me 
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The "Nostalgia" nat has a geyser though, right? ;o
The embracing of positional imbalance is a bold statement to say the least. It looks interesting, and if the pros like it, then it's probably a good map. Although the Gaema nat always is scary for Zergs, the opponent at least doesn't know that the Zerg is at such an abusable location until a starting build order has been chosen. Thus, a normal 12 hatch expo build is reasonably safe even at the Gaema starting location.
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Belgium6786 Posts
Awesome, this will generate such a wide variety of games <3
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
Yea I would translate it as "Illusion" or something along those lines.
Saw Byun explaining it last night and I was balling out
Crazy map.
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man, NaDa's in a difficult group again -.-
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Nice~~
P.S - Who's the sponsor for this OSL?
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On May 04 2007 14:32 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:
Nice~~
P.S - Who's the sponsor for this OSL?
I dont think it's been announced yet :O
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wow finally an interessant map , where games will really change with matchups and position , can't wait to see some games on it
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could u post all the maps of that OSL season???
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Wow...this seasons MSL and OSL is gonna be CRAZY...
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It's Fantasy.
It's an awkward map to look at. Hope we'll get a better image of the map to look at soon. I'm for asymmetrical maps anyhow.
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Whatever the name of the map is, it looks kickin' rad.
Although balancing it must be a bitch.
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It looks like Genosky has the easiest defendable expansions. It will be fun to see how games play out, though.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
hmmm, from what I read, the dates are not final. But it says that it will be once a week, so I doubt it'll be much different, if any at all.
And yes, the sponsor will be announced next week.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
지노스카이 is XenoSky
And I guess we'll go by Fantasy for the map name.
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On May 04 2007 16:28 Live2Win wrote:
hmmm, from what I read, the dates are not final. But it says that it will be once a week, so I doubt it'll be much different, if any at all.
And yes, the sponsor will be announced next week.
Being able to read Korean does help, I suppose. I just go by what "looks" official =P (PGR "Game Report" forum, FiFo News, OGN/MBC site news)
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
the only the that's official is actually the first week.
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51694 Posts
Hmm, Fantasy/MongHwan reminds me of a 256x256 map of Rivalry, Lost Temple, Plains To Hill and Gaema Gowon? in one map.
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On May:24 thedeadhaji wrote:
Yea I would translate it as "Illusion" or something along those lines.
Saw Byun explaining it last night and I was balling out
Crazy map.
how did you see byun last night
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o wow. that map looks awesome.
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god must get this map, looks so cool!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
wow utterly amazing map
i want to play on it now
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United States5262 Posts
Wow probably a totally imbalanced map but it nonetheless looks VERY exciting cause it gives everyone a good feel of good OSL throwback maps. =DDDDD.
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United States5262 Posts
On May 04 2007 14:32 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:
Nice~~
P.S - Who's the sponsor for this OSL?
Of course it's nice having a map named after your nickname. I wish OSL made a map and named it jkillashark. How pimp would that be?
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United States20667 Posts
if Reach spawns at the Sin Gaema Gowon spot
insta-win.
That is the map of men.
Such an amusing map. I DO hope that all of them have gas nats.
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Wow. Such a creative map idea. Finally something creative without neutral building blocks and neutral spells.
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The screenshots show the geysers in 3 of the naturals, and the fourth is visible on the minimap.
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On May 04 2007 19:54 SonuvBob wrote:
The screenshots show the geysers in 3 of the naturals, and the fourth is visible on the minimap.
It's an illusion~
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the map is funny and everything..but
what about balance issue?
the place where u start being a big issue is t_T
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Canada7170 Posts
Cooooooooool.
I think this will make for awesome games.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On May 04 2007 17:40 Pressure wrote:Show nested quote +On May:24 thedeadhaji wrote:
Yea I would translate it as "Illusion" or something along those lines.
Saw Byun explaining it last night and I was balling out
Crazy map. how did you see byun last night
he was clicking stuff and talking during a segment of commercials(?) during the selection ceremony last night
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The problem with maps that arnt symetrical is that you have to have it balanced in all possible matchup on all possible combinations of starting possitions. There are 12 combinations of starting possitions considering different races and 6 combinations of starting possitions considering mirror matches. There are 9 matchups where 3 are mirrors. 12*6 + 6*3 = 90
So you have 90 possible races/spawns to consider compared to on a perfectly symmetrical map where you only have to care about the 6 matchups. All 90 possible races/spawns ofc dont have to be perfectly balanced like even if the map was symmetrical there would be a little differance between diagonal possitions and others. Its just that all 90 have to be considered so there is no obvious imbalance.
Im not saying a map has to suck because it isnt symmetrical. Im just saying its harder to balance. I think this map looks great and I hope it is. If they have tested it a lot maybe it will work.
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symettrical maps get boring after a while anyways, arcadia and luna make me want to throw up
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wow my first impression is that it is very cool, and i agree with all of you who think assymetrical maps kick ass!
all these new MSL maps are kinda broing imo, and im happy they finally put a crazy map out there!
as you all said, i also think that the games will be really entertaining on this map!
kick ass OSL^^;
and btw, i think there should be more imbamaps, because, as in poker, there should be an amount of luck involved (reaverstyle~)!!!
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Luck is no thanks as far as I'm concerned. This map will be even worse than Desert Fox, which was symmetrical...
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Due to the random structure of the map, it will call for some unorthodox builds. I think this is the first map that guys beyond the standard, and with its seemingly cursed boundaries of luck based confrontations, it will call for protoss/zergs to stand even stronger against the menacingly evil that is Terran. Or will they?
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OSL now back to 16, and now this
coincidence: I think not.
Pros will have alot of time to prepare for these matches, and a good idea of who they will end up playing.
My guess is that OGN has had this map for a while and has been waiting for the perfect moment.
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joohyunee
Korea (South)1087 Posts
the map looks really cool, and it should be somewhat balanced cuz it's a lot more about luck than anything with the starting positions =P really cool idea imho.
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Added map pic and download links.
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Here's a better pic of the map, it doesn't cut off the vespene geysure at the bottom island expansion.
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On May 05 2007 08:00 GoOdJo wrote:
symettrical maps get boring after a while anyways, arcadia and luna make me want to throw up
I definitely agree.
Its like I want to argue that this map isnt balanced enough but really, it will be fine. Its a tight map, i like it a lot.
The variety could end up giving it classic status.
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On May 06 2007 10:41 Jyvblamo wrote:
Here's a better pic of the map, it doesn't cut off the vespene geysure at the bottom island expansion.
[IMG]
Okey dokey, switched it.
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thats the thing. its not balanced and thats gonna be a huge thing with people. but other then that it looks cool... >_>
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The point of asymmetrical map is that it's not balanced 50/50, players will have to make up the difference, in favor or detriment, through skillful playing. People do that anyway, It'll be fine.
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The map looks pretty cool, but the positional balance may be pretty bad. I remember a 3 player map from a couple of seasons ago (I have no idea what the name is) that had different routes between the bases. It turned out one of the positions was pretty much auto-win vs. one of the other ones. They got rid of it after one season.
We should see some interesting games at least, because the players will have to improvise a bit more because there are so many scenarios to prepare for.
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Hopefully, they'll make newer maps like this which have some balance.
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On May 07 2007 14:25 muramasa wrote:
The map looks pretty cool, but the positional balance may be pretty bad. I remember a 3 player map from a couple of seasons ago (I have no idea what the name is) that had different routes between the bases. It turned out one of the positions was pretty much auto-win vs. one of the other ones. They got rid of it after one season.
That was Alchemist.
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