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France24239 Posts
On August 26 2018 08:04 Fango wrote: Stats is not a good opponent for him. He's like the only protoss who actually has a good winrate against Zest h2h. Think so too. He has a very hard bracket imo. If he manages a deep run with such a bracket that will definitely be an impressive feat. | ||
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Lil_nooblet
United States459 Posts
So the highest seed Neeb can get in Korea is like 5 or 6 I think (haven’t actually calculated it out) and he’s currently 3rd seed in wcs. I don’t think there’s any way he can take up a Korean spot. He would have to win gsl and gsl super tournament and bomb out in wcs. So Zest is pretty much safe even if Neeb wins gsl. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
So he'd have to drop down to rank 8 in WCS circuit to steal a korean spot in that. Possible but extremely unlikely. | ||
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
Now onto the rematch. It's either gonna be the best SC2 we've ever seen from Zest or it's gonna be a recreation of the Finals last time TT | ||
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Lil_nooblet
United States459 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Also think he's much better right now than he was last season. | ||
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ADTempys
Finland60 Posts
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aringadingding
481 Posts
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NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
On September 02 2018 16:59 ADTempys wrote: Amazing, if he could take down Maru I think he's in a really good spot to win the championship To be fair, anyone is in a good spot to win the championship if they could win against Maru | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
There's really not much of a case for anyone else. What else even is there? Consistency? Well considering his one off year was 2017 and he won a tournament even then, that's hard to argue. Especially because everyone else contending either has the same issue or others. sOs is horribly inconsistent and frankly poor all year, then wins a big tournament, also hasn't won in Korea. Stats was not really a championship caliber player until 2016 so really hasn't been as consistent at this level for as long. Rain retired way too early and with too few results. MC's results aren't as good as Zest's and largely came at a time when you could still 4gate on horrible maps. herO doesn't have the results or consistency. Who else is there? Zest has them all beat in almost every aspect. The only case you could make is sOs, and peak/consistency/streak of dominance/Korean success all heavily weigh against him. | ||
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bestiszest
France103 Posts
I feel like Zest is the one who played the highest level of protoss when he peaked and he has some solid results as well. $o$ obviously have some big titles to his name but I just don't think he looked as impressive as Zest. Stats is imo the best protoss in lotv but overall at this point in time I'd say Zest resume is more impressive if you take into account hots. TLDR I don't think it is obvious but it is very arguable imo. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 03 2018 05:45 Olli wrote: Only if you value Blizzcon above everything else, which I don't. sOs hasn't won a single Korean tournament. Zest holds the record for most GSLs, most Protoss tournament wins (last I checked), longest streak of dominance of any Protoss (2014), arguably the highest peak of any Protoss in 2014 (could argue Rain?) and he's innovated the metagame more than anyone else since he broke out. There's really not much of a case for anyone else. What else even is there? Consistency? Well considering his one off year was 2017 and he won a tournament even then, that's hard to argue. Especially because everyone else contending either has the same issue or others. sOs is horribly inconsistent and frankly poor all year, then wins a big tournament, also hasn't won in Korea. Stats was not really a championship caliber player until 2016 so really hasn't been as consistent at this level for as long. Rain retired way too early and with too few results. MC's results aren't as good as Zest's and largely came at a time when you could still 4gate on horrible maps. herO doesn't have the results or consistency. Who else is there? Zest has them all beat in almost every aspect. The only case you could make is sOs, and peak/consistency/streak of dominance/Korean success all heavily weigh against him. One can make a case for Stats and while it is true that he was not a championship caliber player until 2016 i am not quite sure why that is super relevant tbh. Let's just look at it this way: results in starleagues: Stats: four times ro8, four times ro4, two times 2nd, two times 1st Zest: six times ro8, two times ro4 (2nd one this season) , one time 2nd, two times 1st Stats arguably leads in starleague results though zest can obviously still theoretically win this season of code s. results at weekenders: stats: no ro8, five times ro4, three times 2nd, one 1st (two if we wanna count cross finals) zest: four times ro8, one ro4, two times 2nd, four times 1st notice that i simply put it all under "weekenders" and didn't really seperate hsc from blizzcon for example which helps zest a bit. Still, Zest is ahead here Proleague stats: Stats: 94–51 (64.83%) Zest: 101–65 (60.84%) One could maybe look at playoff stats and ace match scores to give it a little more meat, but i am too lazy for that now and these stats still show the general direction. Both around the same with stats being slightly better though. Now you obviously include things i wouldn't like "metagame innovation" , we always disagree on these things so i won't repeat my old arguments. Purely looking at the results it is somewhat close, though i personally would probably give zest the slight edge because i think he hit his peak during the peak of sc2 while stats got his biggest results in the phase we are in right now which is imo slightly below the competitive lvl of maybe four to three years ago. Anyway, i think one could make a case for stats and maybe others as well (like rain or sOs). | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
Stats on the other hand is close in results as Viper showed. Let’s see how both finish the year. | ||
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