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Black17
Profile Joined October 2011
France435 Posts
March 25 2012 10:38 GMT
#4921
On March 25 2012 16:45 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 09:10 Azarkon wrote:
Checking match history, Stephano lost to a DT build and a 6 gate.

I don't understand this. There's no way Stephano did not play against these builds before. DTs are a standard cheese, hit very late, and a lot of Protosses don't think they're worth it because Zergs defend them so well. 6 gate is - well that's just a 2 base all-in and Stephano is known for holding those off.

No idea how this happened at all. Need an interview.


korean 6 gate could be something he just don't have enough experienced with?


Definitely not; his build was pretty secured, of course he had to rely on his impeccable micro to make it work, but it worked almost always perfectly. He 4-0'd JYP a few days ago really convincinly. I don't know what has happened, I have no clue

Anyway, he was due to face Polt (again) 2 rounds after this... thanks MLG for their US-favored system I guess..
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 12:41:16
March 25 2012 12:40 GMT
#4922
On March 25 2012 19:38 Black17 wrote:
Anyway, he was due to face Polt (again) 2 rounds after this... thanks MLG for their US-favored system I guess..

And that's not the worse part : he was due to face him with extended series, right? :p
LogiiK
Profile Joined June 2011
France185 Posts
March 25 2012 13:19 GMT
#4923
On March 25 2012 16:39 mathsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 07:57 LogiiK wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:54 Mambo wrote:
If they had been at Arena they wouldnt have to do that.


Oh sorry ! Stephano and polt just won the Assembly summer ... so if you want a good place you needs to play all tournaments? just stupid !


No, you need to play in the related tournaments though.

Are you upset they dont hand out Code S seeds to Assembly summer winners too?


... if you don't know stephano have a code s spot but he refuse because it's stupid to stay few mounth to koreaz just for one competition where you can lose very quickly !
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
March 25 2012 13:29 GMT
#4924
On March 25 2012 21:40 Thurken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 19:38 Black17 wrote:
Anyway, he was due to face Polt (again) 2 rounds after this... thanks MLG for their US-favored system I guess..

And that's not the worse part : he was due to face him with extended series, right? :p



stop misinforming . he lost to inori later .

you get second chance even in open breket

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Winter/Championship/Open_Bracket_Losers !
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nazR
Profile Joined May 2011
France158 Posts
March 25 2012 13:41 GMT
#4925
On March 25 2012 22:29 xsnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 21:40 Thurken wrote:
On March 25 2012 19:38 Black17 wrote:
Anyway, he was due to face Polt (again) 2 rounds after this... thanks MLG for their US-favored system I guess..

And that's not the worse part : he was due to face him with extended series, right? :p



stop misinforming . he lost to inori later .

you get second chance even in open breket

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Winter/Championship/Open_Bracket_Losers !


He said that even if he had won all of his matches after losing to Polt he would have had to face him again (Idra faced him and Stephano would have faced Idra)
Aemilia
Profile Joined March 2012
344 Posts
March 25 2012 13:43 GMT
#4926
They had qualifiers though, but Stephano chose to play Assembly instead which he probably doesn't regret seen as he cam second there.

Under the old system sure MLG open bracket was pretty ridiculous but this year players from all continents had plenty opportunities to qualify for the Arena.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12782 Posts
March 25 2012 15:51 GMT
#4927
On March 25 2012 19:38 Black17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 16:45 ETisME wrote:
On March 25 2012 09:10 Azarkon wrote:
Checking match history, Stephano lost to a DT build and a 6 gate.

I don't understand this. There's no way Stephano did not play against these builds before. DTs are a standard cheese, hit very late, and a lot of Protosses don't think they're worth it because Zergs defend them so well. 6 gate is - well that's just a 2 base all-in and Stephano is known for holding those off.

No idea how this happened at all. Need an interview.


korean 6 gate could be something he just don't have enough experienced with?


Definitely not; his build was pretty secured, of course he had to rely on his impeccable micro to make it work, but it worked almost always perfectly. He 4-0'd JYP a few days ago really convincinly. I don't know what has happened, I have no clue

Anyway, he was due to face Polt (again) 2 rounds after this... thanks MLG for their US-favored system I guess..

Hmm I am not sure. The Stephens build is solid, yes but that's almost how most Korean Zerg plays their zvp from what i see from gsl. DRG for example

The win/lose seems to just be about that one engagement with forcefields and positioning. Or it could be the toss took an even more aggressive style of 6 gating.

I haven't seen stephano zvp against Korean toss very often and I do think that it could be not as insane good as we think he is. I mean at least not like the 80%ish win rate against foreigners anyway.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Foudzing
Profile Joined December 2011
France181 Posts
March 25 2012 16:16 GMT
#4928
I think Stephano wasn't very determined after his defeat vs Polt.
Nobody in all the previous mlg made it to the top 8 after losing a game in the open Bracket.
Stephano is interested only in the victory or at least top4, doing something like top16, even in a very difficult tournament, doesn't interest him at all.
He knew it was almost impossible to make it throught the loser bracket and even more for him who don't like to play lts of games in a row.
Bomber and MKP Forever <3 | Dayshi | Maru | Feast | Symbol | ForGG | Bly | Dream Millenium Fighting!
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-25 19:40:31
March 25 2012 19:32 GMT
#4929
On March 25 2012 10:31 JayDee_ wrote:
I think Stephano needs to work on being a more complete player. He has skills but he plays very greedy. This style works well vs foreigners because they don't have the mechanics to keep up. However, Koreans will always punish him when he makes a bunch of expansions/drones with no support.

I'm sure he'll keep improving, He has a lot of potential


How do you know how he played against Inori since the games weren't broadcast? The only game that I saw he played really greedy in was game 3 against Polt. He apparently had no idea what Polt was going and just gambled that he was not going for the all in build he went for. Polt in turn played just as greedily and blind countered Stephano's build. Polt had lost doing that same build twice in previous games because Stephano went for roaches.

Also, Stephano has beaten plenty of Koreans recently including Inori and Polt, so let's tone down the unsupported generalizations based on a single tournament.


edit: Added "not" in from of "going for".
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Snipa
Profile Joined October 2011
Brazil1 Post
March 26 2012 00:40 GMT
#4930
Sign me up please!!
ElementalKnight
Profile Joined January 2011
57 Posts
March 26 2012 04:49 GMT
#4931
Stephano is completely and totally chill. He took lots of time for autographs and pictures with fans this weekend. Hard not to love the guy
phalanx
Profile Joined November 2011
France43 Posts
March 26 2012 07:05 GMT
#4932
I am a Stephano fan but honestly i believe that Polt is smarter, i am talking in term of psychological warfare, outside of the game. He's a foxy guy, Stephano get easily flattered and he knows that's his weakness, i would be curious to see/ear their exchange oustide the scene. You know, :"keep your ennemy close".
When Polt says stephano is a Genius, keep in mind that he might be one of the rare proplayer that has been selected in a very high ranked university. Just tell me how would you take compliment from someone that goes to the equivalent of Harvard and is a top sc2 progamer?

One more thing, Inori and Polt are very good and old friends. I didn't see the Inori vs Stephano games where Stephano lost but I can't stop myself speculating about those coincidences.

sry for the mistake in my english.
knowledge is like jam, the less you have the more you spread.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 26 2012 09:12 GMT
#4933
On March 26 2012 13:49 ElementalKnight wrote:
Stephano is completely and totally chill. He took lots of time for autographs and pictures with fans this weekend. Hard not to love the guy


Funny, beause he wasn't that friendly at ESWC.
I guess he likes international fans better.. mainly because they don't speak french :d ( french fans can be a bit annoying about Stephano )
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
benbi
Profile Joined March 2012
France1 Post
March 26 2012 11:01 GMT
#4934
Does anyone know if Stephano plan to play the MLG Invite-only Online Qualifiers ?
Could be nice for him to play the next MLG spring Championship from the pool.

Too hard to get out of the open bracket ! Still sad that he loose against Inori i'd really like to see him against IDRA,
anyway:

Gl hf for IPL 4 !
Baio
Profile Joined March 2012
112 Posts
March 26 2012 13:05 GMT
#4935
On March 25 2012 19:38 Black17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 16:45 ETisME wrote:
On March 25 2012 09:10 Azarkon wrote:
Checking match history, Stephano lost to a DT build and a 6 gate.

I don't understand this. There's no way Stephano did not play against these builds before. DTs are a standard cheese, hit very late, and a lot of Protosses don't think they're worth it because Zergs defend them so well. 6 gate is - well that's just a 2 base all-in and Stephano is known for holding those off.

No idea how this happened at all. Need an interview.


korean 6 gate could be something he just don't have enough experienced with?


Definitely not; his build was pretty secured, of course he had to rely on his impeccable micro to make it work, but it worked almost always perfectly. He 4-0'd JYP a few days ago really convincinly. I don't know what has happened, I have no clue

Anyway, he was due to face Polt (again) 2 rounds after this... thanks MLG for their US-favored system I guess..

You forget that JYP tried to take third bases against Stephano in every single game. Imho a mistake a mistake nobody should make. Several broadcasted matches have shown that third bases don't work against Stephano in ZvP. They just don't. Stephano is always able to kill the protoss straight up or at least cripple him beyond any possible comeback while safely taking a forth sometimes fifth base and teching to hive.

While Stephano is also very good at holding 2 base all-ins these seem to be the only realistical chance to beat him. Anybody can fall against All-Ins whereas nobody seems to stand a chance against Stephano in a macro PvZ.
gardinho
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany368 Posts
March 26 2012 14:04 GMT
#4936
i need more stephano stream!
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
March 26 2012 14:22 GMT
#4937
Polt gets his revenge. Someone explain to me how they ALWAYS meet up before the finals somehow.
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
March 26 2012 15:34 GMT
#4938
On March 26 2012 22:05 Baio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 19:38 Black17 wrote:
On March 25 2012 16:45 ETisME wrote:
On March 25 2012 09:10 Azarkon wrote:
Checking match history, Stephano lost to a DT build and a 6 gate.

I don't understand this. There's no way Stephano did not play against these builds before. DTs are a standard cheese, hit very late, and a lot of Protosses don't think they're worth it because Zergs defend them so well. 6 gate is - well that's just a 2 base all-in and Stephano is known for holding those off.

No idea how this happened at all. Need an interview.


korean 6 gate could be something he just don't have enough experienced with?


Definitely not; his build was pretty secured, of course he had to rely on his impeccable micro to make it work, but it worked almost always perfectly. He 4-0'd JYP a few days ago really convincinly. I don't know what has happened, I have no clue

Anyway, he was due to face Polt (again) 2 rounds after this... thanks MLG for their US-favored system I guess..

You forget that JYP tried to take third bases against Stephano in every single game. Imho a mistake a mistake nobody should make. Several broadcasted matches have shown that third bases don't work against Stephano in ZvP. They just don't. Stephano is always able to kill the protoss straight up or at least cripple him beyond any possible comeback while safely taking a forth sometimes fifth base and teching to hive.

While Stephano is also very good at holding 2 base all-ins these seem to be the only realistical chance to beat him. Anybody can fall against All-Ins whereas nobody seems to stand a chance against Stephano in a macro PvZ.


That's quite interesting. Idra stated that it is the wrong way to play 2base allins because stephano knows all the timings to the drone. Not saying that he is right, it just shows that Stephano is solid in every phase of the game. But I am still confused how he could lose to Inori ...
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 15:50:21
March 26 2012 15:50 GMT
#4939
On March 27 2012 00:34 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 22:05 Baio wrote:
On March 25 2012 19:38 Black17 wrote:
On March 25 2012 16:45 ETisME wrote:
On March 25 2012 09:10 Azarkon wrote:
Checking match history, Stephano lost to a DT build and a 6 gate.

I don't understand this. There's no way Stephano did not play against these builds before. DTs are a standard cheese, hit very late, and a lot of Protosses don't think they're worth it because Zergs defend them so well. 6 gate is - well that's just a 2 base all-in and Stephano is known for holding those off.

No idea how this happened at all. Need an interview.


korean 6 gate could be something he just don't have enough experienced with?


Definitely not; his build was pretty secured, of course he had to rely on his impeccable micro to make it work, but it worked almost always perfectly. He 4-0'd JYP a few days ago really convincinly. I don't know what has happened, I have no clue

Anyway, he was due to face Polt (again) 2 rounds after this... thanks MLG for their US-favored system I guess..

You forget that JYP tried to take third bases against Stephano in every single game. Imho a mistake a mistake nobody should make. Several broadcasted matches have shown that third bases don't work against Stephano in ZvP. They just don't. Stephano is always able to kill the protoss straight up or at least cripple him beyond any possible comeback while safely taking a forth sometimes fifth base and teching to hive.

While Stephano is also very good at holding 2 base all-ins these seem to be the only realistical chance to beat him. Anybody can fall against All-Ins whereas nobody seems to stand a chance against Stephano in a macro PvZ.


That's quite interesting. Idra stated that it is the wrong way to play 2base allins because stephano knows all the timings to the drone. Not saying that he is right, it just shows that Stephano is solid in every phase of the game. But I am still confused how he could lose to Inori ...

Lack of motivation would probably be the right answer. I'd say losing to Polt, especially the way it happened (first game was basically won and yet he managed to lose), plus the perspective to play a lot of difficult matches in the losers bracket for an uncertain result (well more like certain bad result actually, as usual top8 was only pool players right ?) may have been enough to kill his motivation. And an unmotivated Stephano can play surprisingly bad...
Shadow and dust
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
March 26 2012 17:27 GMT
#4940
So what's the next step? IPL4? or there's something in between?
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