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On March 22 2012 14:20 Benjamin80 wrote:Ok, just saw the Stephano interview with Slasher/Scoots and DJWheat I didnt like it at all. If you dont know Stephano he could come out as being very arrogant and he really isnt like that just his personality. He might have to work on that. So I do understand now why many thinks he is just an arrogant frenchi  He could use abit more PR training but then again he is 100% honest and dont bullshit anyone so maybe its ok.
not saying that it is bad, but how can you say he is not arrogant? It might be his peronality, but then his personality is part arrogant, pretty simple.
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On March 22 2012 19:44 Matkap wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 14:20 Benjamin80 wrote:Ok, just saw the Stephano interview with Slasher/Scoots and DJWheat I didnt like it at all. If you dont know Stephano he could come out as being very arrogant and he really isnt like that just his personality. He might have to work on that. So I do understand now why many thinks he is just an arrogant frenchi He could use abit more PR training but then again he is 100% honest and dont bullshit anyone so maybe its ok. not saying that it is bad, but how can you say he is not arrogant? It might be his peronality, but then his personality is part arrogant, pretty simple.
I like the no fluff.
I mean he backs his "arrogance" up.
When you can back it up with actions it sort of becomes confidence.
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On March 22 2012 20:23 Munchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 19:44 Matkap wrote:On March 22 2012 14:20 Benjamin80 wrote:Ok, just saw the Stephano interview with Slasher/Scoots and DJWheat I didnt like it at all. If you dont know Stephano he could come out as being very arrogant and he really isnt like that just his personality. He might have to work on that. So I do understand now why many thinks he is just an arrogant frenchi He could use abit more PR training but then again he is 100% honest and dont bullshit anyone so maybe its ok. not saying that it is bad, but how can you say he is not arrogant? It might be his peronality, but then his personality is part arrogant, pretty simple. I like the no fluff. I mean he backs his "arrogance" up. When you can back it up with actions it sort of becomes confidence.
He also said stuff like "I am not confident against Polt" or "I only won against Koreans because they are not used to my style, once they know me I will lose". (paraphrasing)
So the no bullshit attitude works in both ways, he will also not pretend to be better than he is.
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On March 22 2012 14:20 Benjamin80 wrote:Ok, just saw the Stephano interview with Slasher/Scoots and DJWheat I didnt like it at all. If you dont know Stephano he could come out as being very arrogant and he really isnt like that just his personality. He might have to work on that. So I do understand now why many thinks he is just an arrogant frenchi He could use abit more PR training but then again he is 100% honest and dont bullshit anyone so maybe its ok.
PR training? I'd rather he was himself and pissed off a few people than be somebody he isn't and have a meh personality just to make some friends, PR is for pop bands and caters to morons, need less of that shit in the world
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As long as hes good and words match his actions he doesnt need any PR, because thats his PR . I would prefer Stephano being stephano for now, if he will hit slump then PR departmant can help him.
Thats what they do to washed up players who need to sell image by talking. Stephano is not a talking player hes a player first a funny guy and great personality second. Idra is an example of overblown PR with Tshirts but no results i dont want that for Stephy. Giving him a PR shackles is bad.
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On March 22 2012 19:40 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 09:56 revel8 wrote:
On Live on 3, Stephano explicitly states that he is very happy with Millenium and would like to stay with them until the end (of his SC2 career). So that is that settled. That's pretty delusional , if you follow the history of players moving from one team to another in any sports the sentence "I'm fine here and want to stay 100%" is usually overused the week before the player actually moves. Same goes for trainers whose situation is not threatened => get fired after the next game... For instance Cloud posted on TL that he wouldn't leave MYM for aTn... I'm not saying he will leave for sure (I hope he won't) but that kind of statement is meaningless
Well it is true that players do not necessarily stick to such declarations of commitment to their teams, (same with footballers), but considering that there was speculation about a fallout between Millenium management and Stephano, for the player to then quickly and publicly state his contentment with the team I don't think is meaningless. If he had refused to endorse Millenium in the interview or dodged the question, then speculation of a rift would have increased and opportunistic teams trying to tap him up at MLG would have been encouraged.
Considering the Complexity situation in September, it appeared that Stephano wanted out of Millenium and needed to be persuaded to stay. Now Stephano has publicly re-affirmed his committment to the Millenium team. If I was Millenium hierarchy, I would be pleased at such a public endorsement of the team. Stephano has just told everyone he is not looking to switch teams. He said this publicly, while involved in a conference call with SirScoots a senior representative of EG, a rival team. Of course he may change his mind in the future, but presently he seems happy to stick with his team.
Don't forget Stephano's SC2 career may well end after this Summer, if he goes back to studying. So his current contract at Millenium may cover him all the way up until his retirement from pro-gaming. Just cos other playes have been fickle in the past, does not mean that Stephano's declaration of intent to stay is false.
You're well connected in the French SC2 scene, LeLfe, have you heard somewhere that Stephano may be leaving Millenium?
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On March 22 2012 20:53 bgx wrote: Idra is an example of overblown PR with Tshirts but no results i dont want that for Stephy. Giving him a PR shackles is bad.
To be fair to Idra, he has won a lot of stuff. He may be struggling recently and has been overtaken by Stephano as best Foreign Zerg, but Idra does deserve props for his Tournament performances in the past. Where I would take issue with Idra is that he disrespects other players somewhat unneccessarily. That is not what I want to see in an influential player.
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On March 22 2012 21:20 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 20:53 bgx wrote: Idra is an example of overblown PR with Tshirts but no results i dont want that for Stephy. Giving him a PR shackles is bad. To be fair to Idra, he has won a lot of stuff. He may be struggling recently and has been overtaken by Stephano as best Foreign Zerg, but Idra does deserve props for his Tournament performances in the past. Where I would take issue with Idra is that he disrespects other players somewhat unneccessarily. That is not what I want to see in an influential player.
Idra basicaly disrespects everyone, his oponents, the other players, his fans, the organisations etc... He doesn't give a fuck. Stephano at least is friendly and franckly, he's not a liar and you know that he says what he thinks...
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You're well connected in the French SC2 scene, LeLfe, have you heard somewhere that Stephano may be leaving Millenium?
LeLfe is an admin of the famous French Team "aAa". and there is a fun micro-war between aAa and us since the beginning of the world.
Nobody heard something like that bro "DONT FEED THE TROLL"  (no offense LeLfe)
EDIT : Add me to the Fanclub, FOR SURE
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On March 22 2012 21:36 VelJa wrote:Show nested quote +
You're well connected in the French SC2 scene, LeLfe, have you heard somewhere that Stephano may be leaving Millenium?
LeLfe is an admin of the famous French Team "aAa". and there is a fun micro-war between aAa and us since the beginning of the world. Nobody heard something like that bro "DONT FEED THE TROLL" (no offense LeLfe) EDIT : Add me to the Fanclub, FOR SURE
none taken, as i personally don't feel at war with M, and I'm always careful to write in a respectful but objective way on it. I'm a writer/reporter not an admin! (and YOU were NOT there at the beginning of the world ;P )
Nevertheless I was not trolling by any mean, the amount of times when I've read/heard "I'm staying" to see the player actually leaving few days/weeks after is countless... (note that I've never ever said he would leave)
@Revel8: nope I haven't heard any thing of that sort, just rumors about contacts
@AIOL!: IdrA is actually nice when you meet him (at least he was to me)
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On March 22 2012 21:34 AIOL! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 21:20 revel8 wrote:On March 22 2012 20:53 bgx wrote: Idra is an example of overblown PR with Tshirts but no results i dont want that for Stephy. Giving him a PR shackles is bad. To be fair to Idra, he has won a lot of stuff. He may be struggling recently and has been overtaken by Stephano as best Foreign Zerg, but Idra does deserve props for his Tournament performances in the past. Where I would take issue with Idra is that he disrespects other players somewhat unneccessarily. That is not what I want to see in an influential player. Idra basicaly disrespects everyone, his oponents, the other players, his fans, the organisations etc... He doesn't give a fuck. Stephano at least is friendly and franckly, he's not a liar and you know that he says what he thinks...
I'm not a huge fan of IdrA but I must disagree with that statement. IdrA usually is quite friendly with other people, except maybe a few of them. He is arrogant though and has a tendancy to affirm bold statements from time to time.
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Idra is a bad person and a bad player :/ true story ...
Stephano is maybe a little arrogant but he's great, friendly and skilled .He got a charisma
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On March 22 2012 21:20 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 20:53 bgx wrote: Idra is an example of overblown PR with Tshirts but no results i dont want that for Stephy. Giving him a PR shackles is bad. To be fair to Idra, he has won a lot of stuff. He may be struggling recently and has been overtaken by Stephano as best Foreign Zerg, but Idra does deserve props for his Tournament performances in the past. Where I would take issue with Idra is that he disrespects other players somewhat unneccessarily. That is not what I want to see in an influential player.
Idra truly hasn't been the top foreign zerg since 2010.
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Stephano has terrific charisma. He is articulate with the confidence of a champion and the skills and talent to back it up. He is widely known across Europe and North America and is now the biggest draw for tournament organisers in those Regions; It is arguable whether Lonestar would have beaten Day9's Redbull viewing numbers without him. He has now demonstrated consistency in results over a prolonged period of time, relative to the scenes lifetime and is still improving.
Losing him to become just another student would be a big loss for the foreign scene that has so few players capable of beating the very best Koreans. There is a definite need for personalities like Stephano that galvanise foreign interest, which in turn drives foreign investment allowing SC2 to grow.
He has mentioned on numerous occasions that money is his primary motivation for pausing his academic studies and continuing to play SC2.
I know he has repeatedly said he is happy at Millenium but perhaps another way to keep him would be for EG to open its wallet and arrange for his transfer to the Lair with an offer he cannot refuse, similar to what happened with Huk. I was watching SirScoots carefully during the Lo3 interview and I am pretty sure he was thinking about such a transfer and had Alex Garfield in IM...perhaps I am imaginging things lol.
I kinda dont want that to happen but better EG have him rather than a University.
What do others think?
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On March 23 2012 00:05 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 21:20 revel8 wrote:On March 22 2012 20:53 bgx wrote: Idra is an example of overblown PR with Tshirts but no results i dont want that for Stephy. Giving him a PR shackles is bad. To be fair to Idra, he has won a lot of stuff. He may be struggling recently and has been overtaken by Stephano as best Foreign Zerg, but Idra does deserve props for his Tournament performances in the past. Where I would take issue with Idra is that he disrespects other players somewhat unneccessarily. That is not what I want to see in an influential player. Idra truly hasn't been the top foreign zerg since 2010.
idra was awesome when terrans were doing 1 or 2 abse allins and u had to get mutas, now he is meh
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On March 22 2012 15:56 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 14:20 Benjamin80 wrote:Ok, just saw the Stephano interview with Slasher/Scoots and DJWheat I didnt like it at all. If you dont know Stephano he could come out as being very arrogant and he really isnt like that just his personality. He might have to work on that. So I do understand now why many thinks he is just an arrogant frenchi He could use abit more PR training but then again he is 100% honest and dont bullshit anyone so maybe its ok. I like people who are "arrogant", if that's what he's being. It's so damn annoying when you see someone on TV (or in an interview on a tournament, kind of the same thing) who's being a politically correct 100% of the time. They don't offend anyone, but I feel like you get so much more honesty from the "arrogant" type of personality. Love it when someone says the truth when it needs to be said, and don't pussy out because they want to keep sponsors, managers, whatever happy. As long as they don't act like a jerk to everyone when they are having a normal conversation (which I'm pretty sure Stepheno doesn't do), it's all good. Bring on the arrogance. PS. Oh and yeah jokingly taunting people you know doesn't count as arrogant behaviour, it just might seem like it for someone looking at it from the outside.
The word you're looking for is not arrogance. Arrogance =/= honesty. Arrogance = overvaluing oneself, acting with undue superiority, being overly proud, etc. Arrogance is a negative trait for a reason - arrogant people are condescending, overbearing, and give more credit to themselves than they're due.
But Stephano was not being arrogant in that interview. When told to answer whether he was the best player in the foreigner's scene, he gave this answer -
"I don't think you can tell if I'm the best. Yeah, I win a lot of tournaments and money, but that doesn't make me the best. To find out whose the best you have to run a tournament with all the best foreigner players and have them play each other - only then do you know who is the best."
When asked about his chances in the MLG, he basically said that open bracket sucks and he doesn't know if he can get through it because it's so hard not to make a mistake. That's not arrogance at all.
I think the only two things he said in the interview that rubbed people the wrong way was that the US has no good players - jokingly - and that he wasn't afraid of anyone. But really, that's just him being confident and honest. As an American, I don't disagree with Stephano that the US doesn't have tip top players right now.
The arrogant side of Stephano's character is not in this interview or in his sense of himself as a player. For that side, you have to look at how he forfeited his own team's tournament without telling anyone. A lot of that was just him being irresponsible, but there is a bit of arrogance in it - ie I'm Stephano, I don't have to play any tournament I sign up for, organizers and viewers be damned. That side of Stephano I don't like.
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Idra will always be a great American hero, because he was brave enough to go to Korea and live there when almost no other foreigners dared. Regardless of how well he did, he had the balls and the competitive fire to try. He blazed trails, and like Stephano, he didn't restrain his personality while doing it. So Idra deserves his fame and success, he's certainly worked for it.
That being said, part of the reason I love Stephano's play so much is because I used to watch so much of Idra. Stephano just LOOKS different to me when he plays, rather than seeing little mistakes watching Stephano, I'm always surprised at how he solves the problems or handles the situation even better than I imagined. The way he makes instantaneous strategic decisions and implements them..... kinda still blows me away.
<3 Idra, but Stephano is Idra 2.0 and its not fair to Idra to keep comparing them. I don't think that Idra is fast enough to do what Stephano does, and you can't teach speed. Stephano's mind just works at a different clock speed than everyone else.
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On March 23 2012 00:32 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 15:56 zodde wrote:On March 22 2012 14:20 Benjamin80 wrote:Ok, just saw the Stephano interview with Slasher/Scoots and DJWheat I didnt like it at all. If you dont know Stephano he could come out as being very arrogant and he really isnt like that just his personality. He might have to work on that. So I do understand now why many thinks he is just an arrogant frenchi He could use abit more PR training but then again he is 100% honest and dont bullshit anyone so maybe its ok. I like people who are "arrogant", if that's what he's being. It's so damn annoying when you see someone on TV (or in an interview on a tournament, kind of the same thing) who's being a politically correct 100% of the time. They don't offend anyone, but I feel like you get so much more honesty from the "arrogant" type of personality. Love it when someone says the truth when it needs to be said, and don't pussy out because they want to keep sponsors, managers, whatever happy. As long as they don't act like a jerk to everyone when they are having a normal conversation (which I'm pretty sure Stepheno doesn't do), it's all good. Bring on the arrogance. PS. Oh and yeah jokingly taunting people you know doesn't count as arrogant behaviour, it just might seem like it for someone looking at it from the outside. The word you're looking for is not arrogance. Arrogance =/= honesty. Arrogance = overvaluing oneself, acting with undue superiority, being overly proud, etc. Arrogance is a negative trait for a reason - arrogant people are condescending, overbearing, and give more credit to themselves than they're due. But Stephano was not being arrogant in that interview. When told to answer whether he was the best player in the foreigner's scene, he gave this answer - "I don't think you can tell if I'm the best. Yeah, I win a lot of tournaments and money, but that doesn't make me the best. To find out whose the best you have to run a tournament with all the best foreigner players and have them play each other - only then do you know who is the best." When asked about his chances in the MLG, he basically said that open bracket sucks and he doesn't know if he can get through it because it's so hard not to make a mistake. That's not arrogance at all. I think the only two things he said in the interview that rubbed people the wrong way was that the US has no good players - jokingly - and that he wasn't afraid of anyone. But really, that's just him being confident and honest. As an American, I don't disagree with Stephano that the US doesn't have tip top players right now. The arrogant side of Stephano's character is not in this interview or in his sense of himself as a player. For that side, you have to look at how he forfeited his own team's tournament without telling anyone. A lot of that was just him being irresponsible, but there is a bit of arrogance in it - ie I'm Stephano, I don't have to play any tournament I sign up for, organizers and viewers be damned. That side of Stephano I don't like.
Really good post Azarkon.
You such a great poster really enjoy reading you post around the forum!
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I think it would be kinda cool to have Stephano quit in a few months, preferably after doing well in the upcoming MLG and IPL tournament. I think if he did quit and never looked back, he would be legendary a few months after his departure already. That's the advantage to retiring at your peak, you might look back with some regrets for missed opportunities, but you'll at least be sure you were the best when it counted. It's a nice sort of closure perhaps.
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