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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
Never change, Protoss. | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
Seriously, enough with the balance talk. | ||
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Grackodile
United States263 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:11 PandaMonk wrote: what was that game? what the fuck, Idra's game sense INCREDIBLE, HIS READ WAS INCREDIBLE HIS MULTITASKING INCREDIBLE, in every single way he outplayed Elfi, why couldnt he go hive? he HAD to make hydras to kill those pheonixes, the SINGLE MISTAKE was making a bit too many hydras.he couldnt transition with so much gas being put to survival, he was a base up, he dropped,and usually i dont call protoss a- move race because i like to think they require some micro.. but there were no FF or blinks or anything, the DEFINITION of A move attack. idra should have won that game... what else could he have done with the opening he chose? Totally agree, but the problem is that you have to make that many hydras vs 2 stargate or else they just lift all of your hydras. Then if the toss just plays passive, collossus just rolls the army. This is the same problem that cause PvZ to be so imbalanced before the infestor buff. | ||
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hysterial
United States2044 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:11 PandaMonk wrote: what was that game? what the fuck, Idra's game sense INCREDIBLE, HIS READ WAS INCREDIBLE HIS MULTITASKING INCREDIBLE, in every single way he outplayed Elfi, why couldnt he go hive? he HAD to make hydras to kill those pheonixes, the SINGLE MISTAKE was making a bit too many hydras.he couldnt transition with so much gas being put to survival, he was a base up, he dropped,and usually i dont call protoss a- move race because i like to think they require some micro.. but there were no FF or blinks or anything, the DEFINITION of A move attack. idra should have won that game... what else could he have done with the opening he chose? How did he outplay Elfi, Elfi kept him basically even on bases and killed a TON of overlords. We've seen zergs lose all those ovies and still crush protoss. Idra just didnt have any good timings, he waited until toss was maxed(rather than attempting to keep toss off a third base, had only 5 corruptors to take on 3 collosi(and during the engagement the corruptors werent even hitting the collosi initially. I love Idra, but his ZvP is garbage and always has been, he needs to take some tips from some of the korean zergs because he is playing the matchup wrong. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:08 Hnnngg wrote: Idk what Mr. Bitter is talking about, saying he should go Blords against 50 blink stalkers. With roach/hydra support those blink stalkers die so fast if he blinks into them. It would have been a good decision (and going hive faster). Him making 30 hydra's didn't help either. I saw a lot of flaws that if he had reacted a little different would have won that game. Hydra's are bad and he made 30 of them in hopes that the protoss would not remake colossi. T_T | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Or just go infestors and transition out of it. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
And you can use them to super-transition into broods or ultras, because of transfuse again. I honestly think mass queen is a much smarter, more versatile response to air than hydras will ever be. | ||
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
JYP didn't go a bunch of blink stalkers and colli. If i remember correctly JYP didnt wait for a maxed army | ||
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tangwhat
New Zealand446 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:17 ThaZenith wrote: I wonder if IdrA should use a queen response to mass air rather than hydra. Once you get just 6-9 queens out, they kill pheonix so fast and can transfuse any that get picked up. And you can use them to super-transition into broods or ultras, because of transfuse again. I honestly think mass queen is a much smarter, more versatile response to air than hydras will ever be. There's even less threat of aggression with queens than there are with hydras. If you go mass queen you'd have to start to do a lot of ling runbys so that the toss doesn't just take a third or 4th earlier than usual. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:15 hysterial wrote: How did he outplay Elfi, Elfi kept him basically even on bases and killed a TON of overlords. We've seen zergs lose all those ovies and still crush protoss. Idra just didnt have any good timings, he waited until toss was maxed(rather than attempting to keep toss off a third base, had only 5 corruptors to take on 3 collosi(and during the engagement the corruptors werent even hitting the collosi initially. I love Idra, but his ZvP is garbage and always has been, he needs to take some tips from some of the korean zergs because he is playing the matchup wrong. It wouldn't be right to say he outplayed Elfi, but he made the most out of an awful situation. It's like he decided to play on a serious handicap and make Zerg's worst units vs blink stalker, and see if he could win with it. | ||
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PandaMonk
United States300 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:15 hysterial wrote: How did he outplay Elfi, Elfi kept him basically even on bases and killed a TON of overlords. We've seen zergs lose all those ovies and still crush protoss. Idra just didnt have any good timings, he waited until toss was maxed(rather than attempting to keep toss off a third base, had only 5 corruptors to take on 3 collosi(and during the engagement the corruptors werent even hitting the collosi initially. I love Idra, but his ZvP is garbage and always has been, he needs to take some tips from some of the korean zergs because he is playing the matchup wrong. how did he NOT outplay elfi, elfi showed no significant micro, macro, or decision making. The only decision he made was to make stalkers and colossus after an early attack (WHICH IDRA HELD BEAUTIFULLY) then he made another attack while behind on bases which was ALSO held off. Then IdrA, unable to do offense due to being forced into hydra by 2 SG, couldn't transition b/c of the constant threat of attack (mobility of the ball due to blink stalkers). Elfi made a ton of mistakes and he still won, the ONE mistake idra made, was slightly over making hydras, and MAYBE he couldve snuck in hive, but it wouldve taken a good 3-5 minutes (hive>GS> morphing) which is a huge vulnerability. Idra 4 base vs toss 3 base and he loses when he makes one tiny mistake. Yeah, elfi played GREAT. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:17 ThaZenith wrote: I wonder if IdrA should use a queen response to mass air rather than hydra. Once you get just 6-9 queens out, they kill pheonix so fast and can transfuse any that get picked up. And you can use them to super-transition into broods or ultras, because of transfuse again. I honestly think mass queen is a much smarter, more versatile response to air than hydras will ever be. in defense yes. I can't see them walking across the map to keep up with the uber fast broodlords though! If the match vs Jinro turns out the same way, I'll have to cry myself to sleep again... | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
im now starting to think it me! i think im the reason for idra bad results D: my work schedule is really weird so i dont usually catch his games live. but EVER single freaking time i watch him live he loses. im not even lying....didnt watch any of the nasl games live this or gosu team league this week and he won all those games. i watch IEM and his last mlg and he loses every single one. im bad luck | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:21 Aocowns wrote: in defense yes. I can't see them walking across the map to keep up with the uber fast broodlords though! If the match vs Jinro turns out the same way, I'll have to cry myself to sleep again... Well, with that many queens you get infinite creep, so you can get across the map just fine. And in the meantime you can use them to transfuse roaches to be a little agressive. But yes, I realize there are fairly big problems with using them. That's why I'm watching and not there playing. ^^ | ||
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PandaMonk
United States300 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:22 ThaZenith wrote: Well, with that many queens you get infinite creep, so you can get across the map just fine. And in the meantime you can use them to transfuse roaches to be a little agressive. But yes, I realize there are fairly big problems with using them. That's why I'm watching and not there playing. ^^ with such a huge investment in queens you lose ability to do aggression and they become nearly useless outside air defense, due to their INSANELY low DPS, and quick tech to hive makes no sense in IdrA's position, but it certainly is interesting! | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:22 integrity wrote: + Show Spoiler + im now starting to think it me! i think im the reason for idra bad results D: my work schedule is really weird so i dont usually catch his games live. but EVER single freaking time i watch him live he loses. im not even lying....didnt watch any of the nasl games live this or gosu team league this week and he won all those games. i watch IEM and his last mlg and he loses every single one. im bad luck yeah lol, its weird. I feel the same  | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
Looked like a game from a year go. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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kanadiasteve
United States313 Posts
On October 02 2011 12:27 frogurt wrote: Looked like a game from a year go. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about his ZvP since the patch. And not in a good way. | ||
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kanadiasteve
United States313 Posts
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