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Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
November 06 2013 19:28 GMT
#99661
I can legitly say, I bet she's probably not gonna care too much. I know I wouldn't be all that heartbroken.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
November 06 2013 19:32 GMT
#99662
On November 07 2013 04:12 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 03:16 andyrau wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:58 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:45 andyrau wrote:
On November 06 2013 17:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i think jyp really screwed up with his management of suzy. she isnt miss a suzy anymore, shes just suzy. she doesnt fit in any of miss a's concepts anymore. shes huge outside of miss a and everything, but her presence as a singer is basically dead for me

no they pretty much did everything right

if she was actually 'Miss A Suzy' then all of her solo promos would be associated with Miss A, which makes it exponentially difficult for advertisement considering it's easier to market a single image than two at once. In the case that Miss A breaks up or has some Kara or T-ara-esque crisis, Suzy's own solo image is largely unaffected by the group's PR.

The fact that she has her own public image makes her far more reliable as a cash cow than the group, and it's not like Miss A is going to be a top group anytime soon. The fact that Suzy's in the group gives Miss A that much more relevance. Just imagine if she wasn't even in the group - Miss A would be another b-tier group with a bunch of generic members.
It's a win on all angles; great for Suzy herself, good for the group, easy on management, and easy for advertisers.

this isn't complicated marketing

this is where youre wrong. its not good for suzy at all. and im not saying the fame and attention shes getting is bad, but the attention fame is misplaced. most people when they think of suzy dont think of the songs her and her group made, they think of the variety shows she came out on her own and the movies shes been in. shes not remembered for being a singer, which is what shes supposed to be. im not saying jyp shouldnt have done it like this, because suzy is obviously one of the biggest figures in korean entertainment now, but you cant help feel sorry for the other members or for suzy herself that her fame doesnt come from what she actually does, which is sing

?
no, she's an idol not a vocalist, which is pretty multifaceted.
why would anybody remember her as a shitty singer when she has so much more?
Besides, Fei is the strongest vocalist in Miss A and that's not saying anything at all. Simply because you're an idol doesn't mean you have to sing well, something that's been reiterated in this thread multiple times. Why else would Hara or Hyuna be relevant?

People just know Suzy as the 'ideal type girl next door' atm and it doesn't matter if she sings or dances or acts or participates in variety. She just has to sell herself on that point and she gets millions of dollars in cfs, not to mention the adoration of guys and fame that come with the money. If you're not a natural vocalist I have no idea why you would continue to trod a dead-end path when there are so many alternatives to take.

also why would you feel sorry for the other members when they're getting a free ride to popularity? Suzy's halo effect gives Miss A much needed attention, and gives the other members a multitude of fans they wouldn't have earned without her.

when did i say anything about idols having to be good at singing? im saying its sad that theyre exploiting themselves rather than being famous for what they set out to do. fyi suzy's dream was in fact to be a singer, but shes not famous thanks to miss a, shes famous because of her face. and i dont know about you but id rather work for my fame than get a joyride to success (which btw miss a arent exactly getting much of the fame anyway). must have no self respect for yourselves
what i said earlier about being marketed wrong was probably a bad way to put it. obviously in a business sense suzy is a huge success, but if she looked back on this 20-30 years from now suzy herself would probably feel sad that her face was what got made her so successful, not her skills.

well idk i think something about your sentence expresses the exact thing you asked
most people when they think of suzy dont think of the songs her and her group made, they think of the variety shows she came out on her own and the movies shes been in. shes not remembered for being a singer, which is what shes supposed to be.


your mindset is too narrow and self righteous. it's a bit of a stretch to say they're exploiting themselves, and another to say that they're using what they have to succeed.
say I find out I actually suck dick at physics and chemistry - I'm not going to force myself to become a structural engineer even if I dreamed of building bridges and skyscrapers as a child. Maybe I'll become an architect and design memorable spans instead of building them. Why would you confine yourself to something you fail at when there are alternatives at hand?
Why is being remembered for beauty such a bad thing when you have no talent?


must have no self respect for yourselves
lmao what the fuck
stop looking at the world through glasses tinted by naive grandiose ideas
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 06 2013 19:44 GMT
#99663
I wouldn't be surprised if she actually didn't give a shit about being a singer either, but being an idol you can't really say "I have no aspirations other than to coast and make mad bank on my face" so she says something about wanting to be known for her talent. Besides given how cutthroat the entertainment business is, especially kpop now, if I were in a position to be well-known for anything I'd be grateful for it, better than being one of the hundreds of unknowns and hopefuls out there.
Nilin
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada31 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 20:13:53
November 06 2013 20:11 GMT
#99664
Yo

here's a warning to you guys who are just now getting into Korean pop music.

STICK TO THE SURFACE.
Enjoy the performances, the pictures and the songs.

Don't go looking into who produced what and why that particular producer got to produce that single, don't look at the contracts the agencies give out, don't look at the schedules the girls follows or the image and marketing change they have to uphold. Don't look at sales and numbers. Fuck all that, stick to what first got you into it.

Last night was the third time I've had the same nightmare regarding this particular thing. I woke up wanting to kill someone, punch walls and shit. My day was ruined before it even begun and that was related to what I just said, so yeah, that's my warning to you.

And if you fall in love, so be it, don't mind everyone else, live your life and love her but as you love her, respect her and don't try and dwell deep into her life nor the entertainment industry itself.

[image loading]

Always smile~
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Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
November 06 2013 20:19 GMT
#99665
Writing in capitals is so 2005.
Always smile~
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 06 2013 20:35 GMT
#99666
man I didn't realize how much I missed your presence in this thread until now

we need your brand of weird here (and I mean it as a compliment)
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 06 2013 21:06 GMT
#99667
what happened to most of the "creepers" anyway, all of them got banned? I remember the time when a few people posted their "dreams" (which they of course remembered in full detail) and one of the swedish guys said how he had a threesome with Taeyeon and jessica. He was whipped by Taeyeon and Jessica forced him to hold it in and he was only allowed to cum when she gave him permission. Reading shit like that was hilarious and made my day.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 06 2013 21:08 GMT
#99668
There were bans, new rules got posted, mods took action.

Why, you really want to read more wet dream stories? There's fanfic sites for that lol.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 06 2013 21:16 GMT
#99669
Not really, I just thought it was funny sometimes and a lot of regulars left (probably during the 6 month period I wasn't following this thread)

Even Master Klogg doesn't posts here anymore, thankfully I follow him on twitter his stuff is godlike.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
November 06 2013 22:45 GMT
#99670
On November 07 2013 04:12 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 03:16 andyrau wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:58 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:45 andyrau wrote:
On November 06 2013 17:02 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i think jyp really screwed up with his management of suzy. she isnt miss a suzy anymore, shes just suzy. she doesnt fit in any of miss a's concepts anymore. shes huge outside of miss a and everything, but her presence as a singer is basically dead for me

no they pretty much did everything right

if she was actually 'Miss A Suzy' then all of her solo promos would be associated with Miss A, which makes it exponentially difficult for advertisement considering it's easier to market a single image than two at once. In the case that Miss A breaks up or has some Kara or T-ara-esque crisis, Suzy's own solo image is largely unaffected by the group's PR.

The fact that she has her own public image makes her far more reliable as a cash cow than the group, and it's not like Miss A is going to be a top group anytime soon. The fact that Suzy's in the group gives Miss A that much more relevance. Just imagine if she wasn't even in the group - Miss A would be another b-tier group with a bunch of generic members.
It's a win on all angles; great for Suzy herself, good for the group, easy on management, and easy for advertisers.

this isn't complicated marketing

this is where youre wrong. its not good for suzy at all. and im not saying the fame and attention shes getting is bad, but the attention fame is misplaced. most people when they think of suzy dont think of the songs her and her group made, they think of the variety shows she came out on her own and the movies shes been in. shes not remembered for being a singer, which is what shes supposed to be. im not saying jyp shouldnt have done it like this, because suzy is obviously one of the biggest figures in korean entertainment now, but you cant help feel sorry for the other members or for suzy herself that her fame doesnt come from what she actually does, which is sing

?
no, she's an idol not a vocalist, which is pretty multifaceted.
why would anybody remember her as a shitty singer when she has so much more?
Besides, Fei is the strongest vocalist in Miss A and that's not saying anything at all. Simply because you're an idol doesn't mean you have to sing well, something that's been reiterated in this thread multiple times. Why else would Hara or Hyuna be relevant?

People just know Suzy as the 'ideal type girl next door' atm and it doesn't matter if she sings or dances or acts or participates in variety. She just has to sell herself on that point and she gets millions of dollars in cfs, not to mention the adoration of guys and fame that come with the money. If you're not a natural vocalist I have no idea why you would continue to trod a dead-end path when there are so many alternatives to take.

also why would you feel sorry for the other members when they're getting a free ride to popularity? Suzy's halo effect gives Miss A much needed attention, and gives the other members a multitude of fans they wouldn't have earned without her.

when did i say anything about idols having to be good at singing? im saying its sad that theyre exploiting themselves rather than being famous for what they set out to do. fyi suzy's dream was in fact to be a singer, but shes not famous thanks to miss a, shes famous because of her face. and i dont know about you but id rather work for my fame than get a joyride to success (which btw miss a arent exactly getting much of the fame anyway). must have no self respect for yourselves
what i said earlier about being marketed wrong was probably a bad way to put it. obviously in a business sense suzy is a huge success, but if she looked back on this 20-30 years from now suzy herself would probably feel sad that her face was what got made her so successful, not her skills.


i think its good how they promoted suzy cuz i think her potential as a singer is very limited and if u just sell her as the singer from miss a options are not plentifull (or so i would assume); even her acting career is kinda iffy, she completely sucks in everything i ve seen her so far. to me suzy only strong point right now to market her is her looks. (dont get me wrong, i like her and miss a is my main fanboism group but thats my opinion)

btw other members are good on their own, fei did some sweet stuff and fei and jia doing the chinese market. min was pretty fun in variety shows way back but dont know what she did else.
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
bofranx
Profile Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
November 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#99671
On November 07 2013 05:11 Nilin wrote:

Always smile~



TuElite confirmed.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 06 2013 23:15 GMT
#99672
On November 07 2013 08:13 bofranx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 05:11 Nilin wrote:
Always smile~

TuElite confirmed.

yeah if you look at what he's posted it seems pretty clear haha
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 06 2013 23:43 GMT
#99673
I assumed everyone knew this as soon as he first posted.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 06 2013 23:44 GMT
#99674
I still don't know what you guys are talking about.
It's your boy Guzma!
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
November 07 2013 00:13 GMT
#99675
--- Nuked ---
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 07 2013 00:17 GMT
#99676
No that I get, but idgi how can this guy be Tu? He seems like a nice new member of the community.
It's your boy Guzma!
AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
November 07 2013 00:25 GMT
#99677
On November 07 2013 09:17 Requizen wrote:
No that I get, but idgi how can this guy be Tu? He seems like a nice new member of the community.


It could just be a huge coincidence that another french canadian nicole fanboy start posting the same things in the same style of writing as tuelite.
We spend our youth attaining wealth, and our wealth attaining youth.
Kaiwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2209 Posts
November 07 2013 00:26 GMT
#99678
The trolling is so obvious that I am confused why this many are biting. Let's keep moving people...!
시크릿 / 씨스타 / 에이핑크 / 윤하 / 가비앤제이
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
November 07 2013 01:00 GMT
#99679
u all realize
that there are over 10 billion habitable earthlike planets in the milky way alone
imagine how many tuelite dopplegangers exist in this universe

why can't there be another obsessive french canadian nicole stan who idolizes joe budden and has vivid dreams about his fixation that he feels compelled to share in meticulous detail?

I don't think it's that coincidental at all.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
November 07 2013 01:41 GMT
#99680
you're right. when you put it like that im surprised we dont have more tuelite clones in this thread
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