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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 01 2013 04:50 GMT
#93061
their former manager in which they had a lot of trust in allegedly 'tricked them into leaving, promising them million-dollar deals when he was actually neck deep in debt; they consulted with KKS and came back to CCM.'

paraphrased but that's the gist of it.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 01 2013 04:54 GMT
#93062
On April 01 2013 13:47 seiferoth10 wrote:
They signed with them again, don't remember why.

Taengstagram:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I think you mean Tiffany#1...stagram
It's your boy Guzma!
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 01 2013 04:56 GMT
#93063
On April 01 2013 13:50 andyrau wrote:
their former manager in which they had a lot of trust in allegedly 'tricked them into leaving, promising them million-dollar deals when he was actually neck deep in debt; they consulted with KKS and came back to CCM.'

paraphrased but that's the gist of it.

So basically KKS gave them sackfuls of cash to shit talk about their former managers and come back
Phrilly
Profile Joined June 2011
46 Posts
April 01 2013 04:58 GMT
#93064
On April 01 2013 13:28 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2013 12:40 Hall0wed wrote:
So I was rewatching this and just thought it was really funny how even Taeyang was like "Oh shit I just got wrecked". Though obviously no one would expect someone like Taeyang to compete with Junsu.

yes i remember that performance lol. i always get sad because i know that it's unlikely that kpop will produce anything like the original DBSK

find me a group where all 5 members have vocals like this, but can also dance and are good looking
+ Show Spoiler +




That was so damn good, unreal. Part of me is glad i wasn't around when DBSK was all together because finding out that this talented of a group would be breaking up must of been devastating. Still obviously nice there still doing there own things as JyJ and TVXQ. Would it be a stretch to say this was maybe the most talented Male Group ever?(including outside of Korea)
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 01 2013 05:08 GMT
#93065
On April 01 2013 13:21 LlOoKkIi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2013 12:40 Hall0wed wrote:
So I was rewatching this and just thought it was really funny how even Taeyang was like "Oh shit I just got wrecked". Though obviously no one would expect someone like Taeyang to compete with Junsu.

+ Show Spoiler +

Shit that was really good. They need more stuff like this that shows off actually talent and less shitty dance battles to be honest. I actually liked taeyang's better but its clear he got outclassed lol.

Yeah Taeyang's english is a lot better and the song is a bit catchier but he never stood a chance haha.

On April 01 2013 13:28 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2013 12:40 Hall0wed wrote:
So I was rewatching this and just thought it was really funny how even Taeyang was like "Oh shit I just got wrecked". Though obviously no one would expect someone like Taeyang to compete with Junsu.

yes i remember that performance lol. i always get sad because i know that it's unlikely that kpop will produce anything like the original DBSK

find me a group where all 5 members have vocals like this, but can also dance and are good looking
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELjgwRs2kyc



No one seems to even be able to put together a group with a similar level of vocals, and then when you factor in the dancing and how good looking all of DBSK is, its just crazy. I'm always impressed just thinking about how SM managed to put the group together in the first place. Well atleast we can still anticipate the next JYJ album.

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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 01 2013 05:14 GMT
#93066
It'd be 10x more difficult now too because there are so many different groups and companies and shit now. At least then you were probably gonna go to 1 of 3 or 4 companies instead of the dozens that are out there now.
and even then they pulled like the most talented dudes from that generation too, unreal.
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-01 05:18:21
April 01 2013 05:17 GMT
#93067
even if you took the most talented members of all the top boybands from different companies that debuted in the past 2-3 years... i still don't think they'd be as good

getting even sadder as i watch more and more videos on youtube
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 01 2013 05:23 GMT
#93068
You also have to consider that they aren't debuting from a specific age bracket though, so a lot of the dudes that could have been considered same "generation" debuted earlier. so you'd probably have to take everyone from the 17-24 ish range now and figure out who you'd put. Maknaes from older groups and all that.
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-01 05:42:32
April 01 2013 05:41 GMT
#93069
just did a quick runthrough of some of the bigger male kpop groups.

INFINITE: sunggyu + woohyun
B1A4: sandeul
BAP: daehyun
SHINEE: jonghyun + taemin
2PM: junho + jay park
U-KISS: kevin
MBLAQ: seungho + g.o
BEAST: gikwang + yoseob

jonghyun, taemin, gikwang, daehyun, jay park

that's the best 5 i could think of in terms of overall package. still don't think they compare though.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
April 01 2013 05:44 GMT
#93070
Yeah, definitely don't compare still.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 01 2013 05:46 GMT
#93071
you said past 2-3 years. Shinee was '08?
jay parks also been in the scene since like 08 as well.
mblaqs been out a while too.
You could probably grab a couple guys from EXO though; they have quite a few talented members.
liftlift > tsm
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
April 01 2013 05:48 GMT
#93072
Jonghyun is the only guy who even comes close to TVXQ level of talent. The rest of those are passable at best. I would agree that TVXQ as 5 was the most talented boy group, anywhere not just in Korea. Looks, dancing, singing, etc. They had it all. Mirotic and Love In The Ice are in my opinion two of the very best Kpop songs ever.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 01 2013 05:49 GMT
#93073
I guess SHINee would be the current group that is closest to DBSK and they still debuted back in 2008, which is quite a bit ago in kpop years. And even though they have improved a ton since their debut they still aren't close to DBSK, Jonghyun is obviously amazing though and could fill a role on there quite well. And yeah Taemin has really stepped his game up in the last year or so.

My favorite Wrong Number performance. Imagine being this classy while singing and dancing, some damn nice suits.

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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-01 05:51:33
April 01 2013 05:49 GMT
#93074
On April 01 2013 14:46 wei2coolman wrote:
you said past 2-3 years. Shinee was '08?
jay parks also been in the scene since like 08 as well.
mblaqs been out a while too.
You could probably grab a couple guys from EXO though; they have quite a few talented members.

initially i only went back to 2010 but there were so few quality options because boybands in the past couple years have been so mediocre lol

On April 01 2013 14:49 Hall0wed wrote:
I guess SHINee would be the current group that is closest to DBSK and they still debuted back in 2008, which is quite a bit ago in kpop years. And even though they have improved a ton since their debut they still aren't close to DBSK, Jonghyun is obviously amazing though and could fill a role on there quite well. And yeah Taemin has really stepped his game up in the last year or so.

i think his appearances on immortal song really helped him quickly mature as a singer in a short period of time
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-01 06:19:17
April 01 2013 06:18 GMT
#93075
^The problem with Shinee is that they are/were a couple members short of having all 5 being super talented. Like AFAIK Mincho still isn't really good at shit and Taemin wasn't nearly as good as he is now when he debuted.

On April 01 2013 14:46 wei2coolman wrote:
you said past 2-3 years. Shinee was '08?
jay parks also been in the scene since like 08 as well.
mblaqs been out a while too.
You could probably grab a couple guys from EXO though; they have quite a few talented members.

I said past 2-3 years but the whole point was age range though, cause the point of DBSK was that they were the best dudes from that "generation" or whatever, so debut time doesn't really matter, it's about how old the boys are.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-01 06:27:55
April 01 2013 06:21 GMT
#93076
On April 01 2013 14:41 LosingID8 wrote:
just did a quick runthrough of some of the bigger male kpop groups.

INFINITE: sunggyu + woohyun
B1A4: sandeul
BAP: daehyun
SHINEE: jonghyun + taemin
2PM: junho + jay park
U-KISS: kevin
MBLAQ: seungho + g.o
BEAST: gikwang + yoseob

jonghyun, taemin, gikwang, daehyun, jay park

that's the best 5 i could think of in terms of overall package. still don't think they compare though.

because you're making the wrong comparisons. tvxq is an amalgamation of upcoming solo trainees that lsm mashed together to form a group. the talent level and mentality to become a solo artist is completely different from the levels you expect from your average guy/girl group trainee.

more apt comparisons would probably include se7en, seo in gook, jang geun suk, lee seung gi, rain, kwill, huh gak, etc.
that said, only one of them debuted in the recent years but I guess that just further illustrates your point that there haven't been as many talented male artist debuts in recent memory.

on another note, I think the closest thing to tvxq is probably b2st [in terms of overall structure and concept]. iirc they were failed solo trainees also mashed together in an effort to salvage their careers and the company's investment.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 01 2013 06:24 GMT
#93077
Hmm, andy brings up a good point.
Also, isn't tvxq due to do their military stuff soonish?
liftlift > tsm
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
April 01 2013 06:40 GMT
#93078
On April 01 2013 15:18 DystopiaX wrote:
^The problem with Shinee is that they are/were a couple members short of having all 5 being super talented. Like AFAIK Mincho still isn't really good at shit and Taemin wasn't nearly as good as he is now when he debuted.

Yeah, Minho is basically useless in terms of performance. He is an average rapper, average dancer, crap singer, although he does have a decent personality on variety shows and stuff. Taemin isn't great either, other than his dancing of course.

Onew and Jonghyun have the best voices by far, and imo are quite up there with the best voices in kpop. Onew has 0 personality outside of performing though, and is a mediocre dancer
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
April 01 2013 06:42 GMT
#93079
I haven't watched that much Shinee in variety but isn't Minho's entire variety character kind of like the "I'm so hot/perfect" type?
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 01 2013 06:46 GMT
#93080
On April 01 2013 15:42 DystopiaX wrote:
I haven't watched that much Shinee in variety but isn't Minho's entire variety character kind of like the "I'm so hot/perfect" type?

I don't think so, he is super competitive and stuff though.

As for dbsk military who knows. I think Jaejoong already got his notice twice but was able to put it off, but yeah I expect them to go probably in the next year or two since they are starting to get up there in age.
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