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On July 11 2012 15:07 DystopiaX wrote:
If you're asking if she's 12, she's 12.
CCM #1.
Also @Firehand- once again popularity does not equal good music. I direct you once again to Justin Bieber.
Also if you sense a bias, you're damn right there's a bias. All interest in music is subjective, and I happen to not like 2ne1's music. It's not cause I hate them as people, it's not cause they murdered my family, it's cause their brand of electronic music badassery does not appeal to me.
Here's a question for you DystopiaX....think of your favourite Girl Group (SNSD?)
imagine them singing baby as a kpop song, with their own take....and Justin never existed...would you have liked the song?
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On July 11 2012 15:10 firehand101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 15:04 Vorgrim wrote:On July 11 2012 15:00 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 14:58 Vorgrim wrote:
Look, I completely understand that some people like 2NE1. I like Girl's Day, but at least I know they are bad and admit it freely.
Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? My wish is for you to admit that 2NE1 is a respectable kpop group that makes great music, and is known more so than many others overseas, even before their world debut EDIT: @Dystopia, you so meanT_T She sexy! The power I was referring to is the ability to enjoy music without seeking validation from others. To enjoy it simply because you do. To not feel burdened when other people voice their dislike for it. I ask again, Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? Interesting question. I think i would, but not for Kpop. I come from a very broad range of music, listening to countless genres and playing many instruments myself. Kpop is something more than just a song though. I always viewed kpop as 30% song, 30% visuals, 40% personality. The way Korea have avoided the collapse of the music industry was by creating idols that could be used for advertising. I think it is a much more social and interactive experience than any other music industry, and i could say now that depending on who brings out the track can influence how you like it or not....say for instance that guy above me probably hates every 2NE1 song before it comes out, but if his fav group sang it, well it would be a different story. So i guess no, because Kpop, to me at least, is more than the song itself, but the personality and visuals as well...
I told you, I fucking hate autotune and most of 2ne1's backing tracks sound like robots fucking each other. It's actually terrible shit.
Do you know why my favorite groups are my favorite? It's not cause the idols are the most kawaii or some shit, it's cause they've come out consistently with songs that I've liked the most.
T-ara- Absolute first
Secret- every promo track they've done barring love is move
Rainbow- same, especially A. That was the shit.
A Pink- literally all their albums have no songs that I haven't enjoyed to some degree.
Now look at groups I don't-
SNSD- no good song since Gee
2ne1- electronic bullshit (i have mentioned their occasional ballads are ok)
To reiterate, I don't like 2ne1 not because of who they are, but because their music is shit. If you switched T-ara and 2ne1's discography I would have 2ne1 in my sig and not T-ara. I wouldn't say they're hot (cause they're not and good music ain't gonna change my opinion of that) but I would like them a hell of a lot more than I do.
edit- actually wrote that out before your response lol but I guess I accidentally answered it. Any group that made something like baby would not be a favorite group of mine.
Actually, fuck it. They'd be ok in my book because I enjoy baby semi-ironically.
But that's not the point.
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On July 11 2012 14:58 Vorgrim wrote:
Look, I completely understand that some people like 2NE1. I like Girl's Day, but at least I know they are bad and admit it freely.
NO YOU'RE BAD WTF MAN
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On July 11 2012 15:25 rainei wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 14:58 Vorgrim wrote:
Look, I completely understand that some people like 2NE1. I like Girl's Day, but at least I know they are bad and admit it freely.
NO YOU'RE BAD WTF MAN
@rainei: Can't tell if troll, or just doesn't get it.
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On July 11 2012 15:22 DystopiaX wrote:
SNSD- no good song since Gee
ok mate, that's going too far.
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She was scouted because Kim Kwang Soo is a dirty old ahjussi who spotted a tween at a traffic light and wanted to get her in his car.
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The man genuinely likes his girls day, leave him alone.
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On July 11 2012 15:22 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 15:10 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 15:04 Vorgrim wrote:On July 11 2012 15:00 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 14:58 Vorgrim wrote:
Look, I completely understand that some people like 2NE1. I like Girl's Day, but at least I know they are bad and admit it freely.
Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? My wish is for you to admit that 2NE1 is a respectable kpop group that makes great music, and is known more so than many others overseas, even before their world debut EDIT: @Dystopia, you so meanT_T She sexy! The power I was referring to is the ability to enjoy music without seeking validation from others. To enjoy it simply because you do. To not feel burdened when other people voice their dislike for it. I ask again, Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? Interesting question. I think i would, but not for Kpop. I come from a very broad range of music, listening to countless genres and playing many instruments myself. Kpop is something more than just a song though. I always viewed kpop as 30% song, 30% visuals, 40% personality. The way Korea have avoided the collapse of the music industry was by creating idols that could be used for advertising. I think it is a much more social and interactive experience than any other music industry, and i could say now that depending on who brings out the track can influence how you like it or not....say for instance that guy above me probably hates every 2NE1 song before it comes out, but if his fav group sang it, well it would be a different story. So i guess no, because Kpop, to me at least, is more than the song itself, but the personality and visuals as well... I told you, I fucking hate autotune and most of 2ne1's backing tracks sound like robots fucking each other. It's actually terrible shit. Do you know why my favorite groups are my favorite? It's not cause the idols are the most kawaii or some shit, it's cause they've come out consistently with songs that I've liked the most. T-ara- Absolute first Secret- every promo track they've done barring love is move Rainbow- same, especially A. That was the shit. A Pink- literally all their albums have no songs that I haven't enjoyed to some degree. Now look at groups I don't- SNSD- no good song since Gee 2ne1- electronic bullshit (i have mentioned their occasional ballads are ok) To reiterate, I don't like 2ne1 not because of who they are, but because their music is shit. If you switched T-ara and 2ne1's discography I would have 2ne1 in my sig and not T-ara. I wouldn't say they're hot (cause they're not and good music ain't gonna change my opinion of that) but I would like them a hell of a lot more than I do. edit- actually wrote that out before your response lol but I guess I accidentally answered it. Any group that made something like baby would not be a favorite group of mine. Actually, fuck it. They'd be ok in my book because I enjoy baby semi-ironically. But that's not the point.
Then I really have no idea what the hell we are arguing about. I totally respect your music interests and.....wait....what the hell why are we even arguing? Oh god I forgot how this all started...
EDIT: @Pulselol yeh SINCE G, I actually agree...what songs have really stood out? Twinkle was with the subgroup remember...
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On July 11 2012 15:26 Vorgrim wrote:
She was scouted because Kim Kwang Soo is a dirty old ahjussi who spotted a tween at a traffic light and wanted to get her in his car.
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This?
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On July 11 2012 15:26 Vorgrim wrote:
She was scouted because Kim Kwang Soo is a dirty old ahjussi who spotted a tween at a traffic light and wanted to get her in his car.
Or if random korean insider in thread is to be believed it's cause daddy's got $$$
Either way it's hilariously terrible.
On July 11 2012 15:26 Pulselol wrote:ok mate, that's going too far.
Didn't we just get done explaining that opinions will be opinions?
Not to rub salt in the wounds but I also think that the members with the exception of seo have deteriorated in looks over the years.
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On July 11 2012 15:27 firehand101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 15:22 DystopiaX wrote:On July 11 2012 15:10 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 15:04 Vorgrim wrote:On July 11 2012 15:00 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 14:58 Vorgrim wrote:
Look, I completely understand that some people like 2NE1. I like Girl's Day, but at least I know they are bad and admit it freely.
Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? My wish is for you to admit that 2NE1 is a respectable kpop group that makes great music, and is known more so than many others overseas, even before their world debut EDIT: @Dystopia, you so meanT_T She sexy! The power I was referring to is the ability to enjoy music without seeking validation from others. To enjoy it simply because you do. To not feel burdened when other people voice their dislike for it. I ask again, Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? Interesting question. I think i would, but not for Kpop. I come from a very broad range of music, listening to countless genres and playing many instruments myself. Kpop is something more than just a song though. I always viewed kpop as 30% song, 30% visuals, 40% personality. The way Korea have avoided the collapse of the music industry was by creating idols that could be used for advertising. I think it is a much more social and interactive experience than any other music industry, and i could say now that depending on who brings out the track can influence how you like it or not....say for instance that guy above me probably hates every 2NE1 song before it comes out, but if his fav group sang it, well it would be a different story. So i guess no, because Kpop, to me at least, is more than the song itself, but the personality and visuals as well... I told you, I fucking hate autotune and most of 2ne1's backing tracks sound like robots fucking each other. It's actually terrible shit. Do you know why my favorite groups are my favorite? It's not cause the idols are the most kawaii or some shit, it's cause they've come out consistently with songs that I've liked the most. T-ara- Absolute first Secret- every promo track they've done barring love is move Rainbow- same, especially A. That was the shit. A Pink- literally all their albums have no songs that I haven't enjoyed to some degree. Now look at groups I don't- SNSD- no good song since Gee 2ne1- electronic bullshit (i have mentioned their occasional ballads are ok) To reiterate, I don't like 2ne1 not because of who they are, but because their music is shit. If you switched T-ara and 2ne1's discography I would have 2ne1 in my sig and not T-ara. I wouldn't say they're hot (cause they're not and good music ain't gonna change my opinion of that) but I would like them a hell of a lot more than I do. edit- actually wrote that out before your response lol but I guess I accidentally answered it. Any group that made something like baby would not be a favorite group of mine. Actually, fuck it. They'd be ok in my book because I enjoy baby semi-ironically. But that's not the point. Then I really have no idea what the hell we are arguing about. I totally respect your music interests and.....wait....what the hell why are we even arguing? Oh god I forgot how this all started...
Someone said an opinion you disagreed with, argued a bit, then went on a tangent...
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On July 11 2012 15:27 firehand101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 15:22 DystopiaX wrote:On July 11 2012 15:10 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 15:04 Vorgrim wrote:On July 11 2012 15:00 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 14:58 Vorgrim wrote:
Look, I completely understand that some people like 2NE1. I like Girl's Day, but at least I know they are bad and admit it freely.
Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? My wish is for you to admit that 2NE1 is a respectable kpop group that makes great music, and is known more so than many others overseas, even before their world debut EDIT: @Dystopia, you so meanT_T She sexy! The power I was referring to is the ability to enjoy music without seeking validation from others. To enjoy it simply because you do. To not feel burdened when other people voice their dislike for it. I ask again, Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? Interesting question. I think i would, but not for Kpop. I come from a very broad range of music, listening to countless genres and playing many instruments myself. Kpop is something more than just a song though. I always viewed kpop as 30% song, 30% visuals, 40% personality. The way Korea have avoided the collapse of the music industry was by creating idols that could be used for advertising. I think it is a much more social and interactive experience than any other music industry, and i could say now that depending on who brings out the track can influence how you like it or not....say for instance that guy above me probably hates every 2NE1 song before it comes out, but if his fav group sang it, well it would be a different story. So i guess no, because Kpop, to me at least, is more than the song itself, but the personality and visuals as well... I told you, I fucking hate autotune and most of 2ne1's backing tracks sound like robots fucking each other. It's actually terrible shit. Do you know why my favorite groups are my favorite? It's not cause the idols are the most kawaii or some shit, it's cause they've come out consistently with songs that I've liked the most. T-ara- Absolute first Secret- every promo track they've done barring love is move Rainbow- same, especially A. That was the shit. A Pink- literally all their albums have no songs that I haven't enjoyed to some degree. Now look at groups I don't- SNSD- no good song since Gee 2ne1- electronic bullshit (i have mentioned their occasional ballads are ok) To reiterate, I don't like 2ne1 not because of who they are, but because their music is shit. If you switched T-ara and 2ne1's discography I would have 2ne1 in my sig and not T-ara. I wouldn't say they're hot (cause they're not and good music ain't gonna change my opinion of that) but I would like them a hell of a lot more than I do. edit- actually wrote that out before your response lol but I guess I accidentally answered it. Any group that made something like baby would not be a favorite group of mine. Actually, fuck it. They'd be ok in my book because I enjoy baby semi-ironically. But that's not the point. Then I really have no idea what the hell we are arguing about. I totally respect your music interests and.....wait....what the hell why are we even arguing? Oh god I forgot how this all started...
You were trying to convince me that I had to like 2ne1 because they were good, and I was saying that I don't like their music.
You attempted to tell me that I only disliked their music because I hate 2ne1 as people or something and asked me what would happen if they came out with a song that I liked. I replied that I'd like them.
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Did you guys know that I just sat here reading this thread naked for the past half an hour, and now I'm all hot and bothered because people's opinions differed from mine?
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People are going to have different opinions about music, deal with it. Popularity is rarely going to determine what makes certain music more enjoyable than others unless the person is just a trend follower. Some people like 2NE1's music, some don't. It's not hard to understand, and it isn't fair or unfair, or right or wrong. Music, like all art, has always come down to personal taste.
I happen to enjoy most of 2NE1's music, but that doesn't make it so that I think anyone who thinks their music is "shit" is wrong or needs to be corrected. Obviously, I would prefer if people refrained from describing music that other people enjoy as "shit", but that's just how it goes sometimes when opinions are being discussed. It's not like 2NE1 is being uniquely singled out either, as plenty of music from plenty of other artists have been described as "shit" or worse in this thread.
It's okay to disagree and move on.
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On July 11 2012 15:29 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 15:27 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 15:22 DystopiaX wrote:On July 11 2012 15:10 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 15:04 Vorgrim wrote:On July 11 2012 15:00 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 14:58 Vorgrim wrote:
Look, I completely understand that some people like 2NE1. I like Girl's Day, but at least I know they are bad and admit it freely.
Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? My wish is for you to admit that 2NE1 is a respectable kpop group that makes great music, and is known more so than many others overseas, even before their world debut EDIT: @Dystopia, you so meanT_T She sexy! The power I was referring to is the ability to enjoy music without seeking validation from others. To enjoy it simply because you do. To not feel burdened when other people voice their dislike for it. I ask again, Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? Interesting question. I think i would, but not for Kpop. I come from a very broad range of music, listening to countless genres and playing many instruments myself. Kpop is something more than just a song though. I always viewed kpop as 30% song, 30% visuals, 40% personality. The way Korea have avoided the collapse of the music industry was by creating idols that could be used for advertising. I think it is a much more social and interactive experience than any other music industry, and i could say now that depending on who brings out the track can influence how you like it or not....say for instance that guy above me probably hates every 2NE1 song before it comes out, but if his fav group sang it, well it would be a different story. So i guess no, because Kpop, to me at least, is more than the song itself, but the personality and visuals as well... I told you, I fucking hate autotune and most of 2ne1's backing tracks sound like robots fucking each other. It's actually terrible shit. Do you know why my favorite groups are my favorite? It's not cause the idols are the most kawaii or some shit, it's cause they've come out consistently with songs that I've liked the most. T-ara- Absolute first Secret- every promo track they've done barring love is move Rainbow- same, especially A. That was the shit. A Pink- literally all their albums have no songs that I haven't enjoyed to some degree. Now look at groups I don't- SNSD- no good song since Gee 2ne1- electronic bullshit (i have mentioned their occasional ballads are ok) To reiterate, I don't like 2ne1 not because of who they are, but because their music is shit. If you switched T-ara and 2ne1's discography I would have 2ne1 in my sig and not T-ara. I wouldn't say they're hot (cause they're not and good music ain't gonna change my opinion of that) but I would like them a hell of a lot more than I do. edit- actually wrote that out before your response lol but I guess I accidentally answered it. Any group that made something like baby would not be a favorite group of mine. Actually, fuck it. They'd be ok in my book because I enjoy baby semi-ironically. But that's not the point. Then I really have no idea what the hell we are arguing about. I totally respect your music interests and.....wait....what the hell why are we even arguing? Oh god I forgot how this all started... You were trying to convince me that I had to like 2ne1 because they were good, and I was saying that I don't like their music. You attempted to tell me that I only disliked their music because I hate 2ne1 as people or something and asked me what would happen if they came out with a song that I liked. I replied that I'd like them.
wtf i think i must be drunk because i don't remember that at all. I never said you had to like them, it was along the lines of respecting what they are accomplishing now worldwide as a group
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I wouldn't have judged you if you were sitting there naked. It's freaking hot. -_-
On July 11 2012 15:31 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
People are going to have different opinions about music, deal with it. Popularity is rarely going to determine what makes certain music more enjoyable than others unless the person is just a trend follower. Some people like 2NE1's music, some don't. It's not hard to understand, and it isn't fair or unfair, or right or wrong. Music, like all art, has always come down to personal taste.
I happen to enjoy most of 2NE1's music, but that doesn't make it so that I think anyone who thinks their music is "shit" is wrong or needs to be corrected. Obviously, I would prefer if people refrained from describing music that other people enjoy as "shit", but that's just how it goes sometimes when opinions are being discussed. It's not like 2NE1 is being uniquely singled out either, as plenty of music from plenty of other artists have been described as "shit" or worse in this thread.
It's okay to disagree and move on.
Hit it spot on.
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On July 11 2012 15:31 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
People are going to have different opinions about music, deal with it. Popularity is rarely going to determine what makes certain music more enjoyable than others unless the person is just a trend follower. Some people like 2NE1's music, some don't. It's not hard to understand, and it isn't fair or unfair, or right or wrong. Music, like all art, has always come down to personal taste.
I happen to enjoy most of 2NE1's music, but that doesn't make it so that I think anyone who thinks their music is "shit" is wrong or needs to be corrected. Obviously, I would prefer if people refrained from describing music that other people enjoy as "shit", but that's just how it goes sometimes when opinions are being discussed. It's not like 2NE1 is being uniquely singled out either, as plenty of music from plenty of other artists have been described as "shit" or worse in this thread.
It's okay to disagree and move on.
I feel like we're all a bunch of naughty pre schoolers and the teacher just came in
EDIT: yeh no shame being naked, i am right now as well
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On July 11 2012 15:32 firehand101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 15:29 DystopiaX wrote:On July 11 2012 15:27 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 15:22 DystopiaX wrote:On July 11 2012 15:10 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 15:04 Vorgrim wrote:On July 11 2012 15:00 firehand101 wrote:On July 11 2012 14:58 Vorgrim wrote:
Look, I completely understand that some people like 2NE1. I like Girl's Day, but at least I know they are bad and admit it freely.
Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? My wish is for you to admit that 2NE1 is a respectable kpop group that makes great music, and is known more so than many others overseas, even before their world debut EDIT: @Dystopia, you so meanT_T She sexy! The power I was referring to is the ability to enjoy music without seeking validation from others. To enjoy it simply because you do. To not feel burdened when other people voice their dislike for it. I ask again, Is it your wish to posses this kind of power? Interesting question. I think i would, but not for Kpop. I come from a very broad range of music, listening to countless genres and playing many instruments myself. Kpop is something more than just a song though. I always viewed kpop as 30% song, 30% visuals, 40% personality. The way Korea have avoided the collapse of the music industry was by creating idols that could be used for advertising. I think it is a much more social and interactive experience than any other music industry, and i could say now that depending on who brings out the track can influence how you like it or not....say for instance that guy above me probably hates every 2NE1 song before it comes out, but if his fav group sang it, well it would be a different story. So i guess no, because Kpop, to me at least, is more than the song itself, but the personality and visuals as well... I told you, I fucking hate autotune and most of 2ne1's backing tracks sound like robots fucking each other. It's actually terrible shit. Do you know why my favorite groups are my favorite? It's not cause the idols are the most kawaii or some shit, it's cause they've come out consistently with songs that I've liked the most. T-ara- Absolute first Secret- every promo track they've done barring love is move Rainbow- same, especially A. That was the shit. A Pink- literally all their albums have no songs that I haven't enjoyed to some degree. Now look at groups I don't- SNSD- no good song since Gee 2ne1- electronic bullshit (i have mentioned their occasional ballads are ok) To reiterate, I don't like 2ne1 not because of who they are, but because their music is shit. If you switched T-ara and 2ne1's discography I would have 2ne1 in my sig and not T-ara. I wouldn't say they're hot (cause they're not and good music ain't gonna change my opinion of that) but I would like them a hell of a lot more than I do. edit- actually wrote that out before your response lol but I guess I accidentally answered it. Any group that made something like baby would not be a favorite group of mine. Actually, fuck it. They'd be ok in my book because I enjoy baby semi-ironically. But that's not the point. Then I really have no idea what the hell we are arguing about. I totally respect your music interests and.....wait....what the hell why are we even arguing? Oh god I forgot how this all started... You were trying to convince me that I had to like 2ne1 because they were good, and I was saying that I don't like their music. You attempted to tell me that I only disliked their music because I hate 2ne1 as people or something and asked me what would happen if they came out with a song that I liked. I replied that I'd like them. wtf i think i must be drunk because i don't remember that at all. I never said you had to like them, it was along the lines of respecting what they are accomplishing now worldwide as a group
That has not been close to the position you've been taking for the past hour.
If you're asking me to acknowledge that they're popular, yes they're popular.
"Gut him niggas" is my favorite line from that gif, just because it fits PJY's expressions so well.
@Pulselol I always suspected people had to be nekkid at some point while reading this thread, so this doesn't make me uncomfortable at all.
edit- Xal is 10x more eloquent than I am and I find myself agreeing to everything he says, and then I realize that he hasn't really taken a position in the ongoing disucssion at all but rather picked a semi-relevant topic then posted a neutral opinion on it that serves to cool off everyone in the thread. much appreciated.
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Hey guys, I loved many songs that were not the title track promoted by SNSD from a variety of albums since Gee.
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On July 11 2012 15:26 DystopiaX wrote:
The man genuinely likes his girls day, leave him alone.
LIKES?! only LIKES?!
blasphemy.
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