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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
May 29 2012 16:52 GMT
#57981
I always forget about yoona.. But shes better than what id think for how much i remember her

Gogo iMYoonA lol
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
May 29 2012 16:55 GMT
#57982
Happy birthday Yoona

If I click 'y' on my browser, you know what the first thing that pops up is?
http://www.youtuberepeat.com/watch/?v=IMZX0KvD2h8

^ Still my favourite Kpop song of all time, lub ya qtpie <3
oniontaker
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom128 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 17:09:07
May 29 2012 17:07 GMT
#57983
This bit isn't really K-Pop, so spoiler:
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+ Show Spoiler +
On May 29 2012 10:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 22:02 oniontaker wrote:
On May 28 2012 05:27 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 28 2012 00:21 Waterhaak wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:03 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 27 2012 19:50 firehand101 wrote:
Lol the performances are all blocked now T_T

And also, my original favourite band has been SS501 as they are the ones that got me into Kpop via 'love like this'

But now after experiencing virtually every top class Kpop group/artist there is, i think i have decided my favourite. It is....

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TVXQ! I just think all of their songs are so well written and performed. But can anyone help me understand their history a bit? it is really confusing. From what i understand, 3 members left because their contract was too long?

Cause SM sucks, yeah. Something about money, also their contract was 12 years or something like that, which is ridiculous.

Now SM are being dicks and preventing them from appearing on broadcast TV using their pull.

All the information I've seen about this suggests that greed on JYJ's part was the cause of the break up. And obviously SM, as well as everyone else in the industry are going to prevent them from appearing, it could cause serious damage to the way agencies work nowadays.

If a group can break away from their agency and still be fully operational, it's likely others will follow.

This is highly subjective, but I think working for SM is probably one of the best options you have as an idol.

I don't want to go too deep into this, simply because I lack the knowledge and time but if you really want to learn more I suggest reading trough this, http://oniontaker.com/tagged/jyj and judge for yourself.

I fail to see how, worst contracts out of any agency, also onion is both not very credible and a sm fanboy.

Sm pays you the least money and forces you to stay the longest. Sure they have the most pull but you're not necessarily going to benefit.

I also fail to see how jyjs greed was at fault when the courts have agreed that their contracts and treatment was unethical, and that sm also has to stop cockblocking them.

To suggest that anyone other than sm and maybe the rest of the big 3 care about preventing jyj from performing is ridiculous, especially if you're a tv station like kbs or whatever because you know a jyj appearance will boost ratings like no other performer could.

Edit- reading 3 of those onion posts just confirmed that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Contradicting facts and actual credible sources, sounds like an idiot.


Actually lol'd at the ignorance. But kewl.

Who said greed was at fault? It was the main motivator, that's the issue here. It's no fault to want the best for yourself, it's simply that JYJ overestimated the support they would have, or rather underestimated the hostility they would face, once they took legal action to break the contract instead of dealing with it in-house.

Almost any group could take their company to court and technically win in legal terms.
Whether the industry will accept them back is another issue altogether.

With the eye of the government on them from as early as 2008 (as a market leader in a growing prestige export industry), SM have had to change their ways a lot internally. To say that they are worse than DSP, CCM and many smaller agencies that are completely unregulated is just silly. I've seen musicians contracts with income splits as bad as 182 and that's just the ones I know about.

And about KBS, they're not just any other TV station. It's the closest thing to state-owned major media that Korea has.
Idiot? lol.

I don't feel like continuing this discussion because it won't get anyone anywhere, so just clarifying a few things:

I feel like you feel like I was replying to you (confusing I know lol) but all of that other than the edit was directed at Waterhaak, who clearly stated "Greed on JYJ's part was the cause of the breakup". I agree with what you said above, although if I were in their shoes and I'd still have done the split, you don't get on TV for performances but you're still huge and make bank and aren't required to stay with SM for 13 years (a contract which is both excessive and, contrary to what you seem to imply in your post, is not typical in the industry). But that's irrelevant anyway...

I also fail to see how CCM is a "small" agency- as a subsidiary of Mnet I'd argue they're pretty big. It's the parent company and not whatever the subcompany decides to call itself that counts.

Also I used KBS as a random name for an example of a TV station/content distributor. Either way the fact that they're government owned (which I was aware of) is irrelevant for the purpose of my example. The whole KBS thing was directed at the dude I was replying to anyway, who implied that the industry as a whole had motivation to cockblock JYJ.

Although I can't claim to have "contacts" like you, I don't think the ratio you described is atypical even for Western artists, for album sales at least. (the difference being ofc that western artists get far more of the pie in endorsement deals and shit like that). But that's irrelevant anyway. I'm not going to pretend that any idol company gives you a favorable contract cause they're all terrible. Just that if it were up to me I wouldn't sign with SM.

And I still disagree with your blog posts.

edit- @new guy/hallowed/purpl3- Not sure I'd want to be the world representative of Kpop anyway. At least foreign kpop, cause everything I've seen of it outside of this thread and like 2 IRL friends foreign kpop is comprised of annoying teenage girls and/or mentally deficient people.

@pulse- can't recognize Minah when sh'es not trying to make her eyes look as small as possible, or, as they call it "eyesmiling".


Sure, we can stop discussing it if you like. So despite the fact that you took the cheap dig of pretending to be the bigger man in your first line before continuing the discussion by incorrectly pointing out things in my post, I guess I'll stop myself at just clarifying why despite your explanations, I still feel that the posts and edits weren't aimed at Waterhaak but myself:

+ Show Spoiler +
onion is both not very credible and a sm fanboy.

+ Show Spoiler +
Edit- reading 3 of those onion posts just confirmed that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Contradicting facts and actual credible sources, sounds like an idiot.


When you launch a personal attack on someone and you get a reply back, don't be surprised. When the reply addresses your points with the view of dismantling them without calling you an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about, try not to pretend you're the bigger man.

I'll save you the trouble of having to read another wordy spiel in response to the individual points you set out by ending the discussion as you want.


Since I should be contributing something, SSF will be doing a charity auction of exclusive SNSD merchandise where all proceeds go to KRPS (charity founded by Sooyoung's father). HITSNY are also considering a similar auction (where a part of the proceeds will go to KRPS) with things like the shoes the girls wore during Live with Kelly and their tour jackets which is pretty big in terms of memorabilia since it's stuff they wore during their first wave of activities in the US.

Apparently Papa Choi is very grateful for the gesture from SSF and will be posting something soon via the SONE Union channels.

All in all, with the records coming out and possible concerts going on, wallets are going to be empty by the time this year is out lol.
oniontaker.com || Translator for SlayerS
FastEddieV
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States614 Posts
May 29 2012 17:14 GMT
#57984
Some more Saza Choi for you all, enjoy.



Oh hey oniontaker's been posting. Hello oniontaker!
platinum? more like leaf
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 17:29:19
May 29 2012 17:28 GMT
#57985
anyway Hyominz Bday today
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WriterXiao8~~
IrOnKaL
Profile Joined June 2011
United States340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 17:45:18
May 29 2012 17:42 GMT
#57986
On May 30 2012 00:14 Waterhaak wrote:
Happy birthday to our drama star Yoona!

I have very limited time right now so I'll have to keep it short, sorry.

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OMGGGGGG MY YOONA NOONA so many kpop B-days in May including mine hehe.


User was warned for lack of spoilers.
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
May 29 2012 20:02 GMT
#57987
On May 30 2012 02:07 oniontaker wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

This bit isn't really K-Pop, so spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 29 2012 10:13 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 22:02 oniontaker wrote:
On May 28 2012 05:27 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 28 2012 00:21 Waterhaak wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:03 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 27 2012 19:50 firehand101 wrote:
Lol the performances are all blocked now T_T

And also, my original favourite band has been SS501 as they are the ones that got me into Kpop via 'love like this'

But now after experiencing virtually every top class Kpop group/artist there is, i think i have decided my favourite. It is....

+ Show Spoiler +
TVXQ! I just think all of their songs are so well written and performed. But can anyone help me understand their history a bit? it is really confusing. From what i understand, 3 members left because their contract was too long?

Cause SM sucks, yeah. Something about money, also their contract was 12 years or something like that, which is ridiculous.

Now SM are being dicks and preventing them from appearing on broadcast TV using their pull.

All the information I've seen about this suggests that greed on JYJ's part was the cause of the break up. And obviously SM, as well as everyone else in the industry are going to prevent them from appearing, it could cause serious damage to the way agencies work nowadays.

If a group can break away from their agency and still be fully operational, it's likely others will follow.

This is highly subjective, but I think working for SM is probably one of the best options you have as an idol.

I don't want to go too deep into this, simply because I lack the knowledge and time but if you really want to learn more I suggest reading trough this, http://oniontaker.com/tagged/jyj and judge for yourself.

I fail to see how, worst contracts out of any agency, also onion is both not very credible and a sm fanboy.

Sm pays you the least money and forces you to stay the longest. Sure they have the most pull but you're not necessarily going to benefit.

I also fail to see how jyjs greed was at fault when the courts have agreed that their contracts and treatment was unethical, and that sm also has to stop cockblocking them.

To suggest that anyone other than sm and maybe the rest of the big 3 care about preventing jyj from performing is ridiculous, especially if you're a tv station like kbs or whatever because you know a jyj appearance will boost ratings like no other performer could.

Edit- reading 3 of those onion posts just confirmed that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Contradicting facts and actual credible sources, sounds like an idiot.


Actually lol'd at the ignorance. But kewl.

Who said greed was at fault? It was the main motivator, that's the issue here. It's no fault to want the best for yourself, it's simply that JYJ overestimated the support they would have, or rather underestimated the hostility they would face, once they took legal action to break the contract instead of dealing with it in-house.

Almost any group could take their company to court and technically win in legal terms.
Whether the industry will accept them back is another issue altogether.

With the eye of the government on them from as early as 2008 (as a market leader in a growing prestige export industry), SM have had to change their ways a lot internally. To say that they are worse than DSP, CCM and many smaller agencies that are completely unregulated is just silly. I've seen musicians contracts with income splits as bad as 182 and that's just the ones I know about.

And about KBS, they're not just any other TV station. It's the closest thing to state-owned major media that Korea has.
Idiot? lol.

I don't feel like continuing this discussion because it won't get anyone anywhere, so just clarifying a few things:

I feel like you feel like I was replying to you (confusing I know lol) but all of that other than the edit was directed at Waterhaak, who clearly stated "Greed on JYJ's part was the cause of the breakup". I agree with what you said above, although if I were in their shoes and I'd still have done the split, you don't get on TV for performances but you're still huge and make bank and aren't required to stay with SM for 13 years (a contract which is both excessive and, contrary to what you seem to imply in your post, is not typical in the industry). But that's irrelevant anyway...

I also fail to see how CCM is a "small" agency- as a subsidiary of Mnet I'd argue they're pretty big. It's the parent company and not whatever the subcompany decides to call itself that counts.

Also I used KBS as a random name for an example of a TV station/content distributor. Either way the fact that they're government owned (which I was aware of) is irrelevant for the purpose of my example. The whole KBS thing was directed at the dude I was replying to anyway, who implied that the industry as a whole had motivation to cockblock JYJ.

Although I can't claim to have "contacts" like you, I don't think the ratio you described is atypical even for Western artists, for album sales at least. (the difference being ofc that western artists get far more of the pie in endorsement deals and shit like that). But that's irrelevant anyway. I'm not going to pretend that any idol company gives you a favorable contract cause they're all terrible. Just that if it were up to me I wouldn't sign with SM.

And I still disagree with your blog posts.

edit- @new guy/hallowed/purpl3- Not sure I'd want to be the world representative of Kpop anyway. At least foreign kpop, cause everything I've seen of it outside of this thread and like 2 IRL friends foreign kpop is comprised of annoying teenage girls and/or mentally deficient people.

@pulse- can't recognize Minah when sh'es not trying to make her eyes look as small as possible, or, as they call it "eyesmiling".


Sure, we can stop discussing it if you like. So despite the fact that you took the cheap dig of pretending to be the bigger man in your first line before continuing the discussion by incorrectly pointing out things in my post, I guess I'll stop myself at just clarifying why despite your explanations, I still feel that the posts and edits weren't aimed at Waterhaak but myself:

+ Show Spoiler +
onion is both not very credible and a sm fanboy.

+ Show Spoiler +
Edit- reading 3 of those onion posts just confirmed that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Contradicting facts and actual credible sources, sounds like an idiot.


When you launch a personal attack on someone and you get a reply back, don't be surprised. When the reply addresses your points with the view of dismantling them without calling you an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about, try not to pretend you're the bigger man.

I'll save you the trouble of having to read another wordy spiel in response to the individual points you set out by ending the discussion as you want.


Since I should be contributing something, SSF will be doing a charity auction of exclusive SNSD merchandise where all proceeds go to KRPS (charity founded by Sooyoung's father). HITSNY are also considering a similar auction (where a part of the proceeds will go to KRPS) with things like the shoes the girls wore during Live with Kelly and their tour jackets which is pretty big in terms of memorabilia since it's stuff they wore during their first wave of activities in the US.

+ Show Spoiler +
Apparently Papa Choi is very grateful for the gesture from SSF and will be posting something soon via the SONE Union channels.

All in all, with the records coming out and possible concerts going on, wallets are going to be empty by the time this year is out lol
.


There a date set for it yet? Couldn't see one in the announcement
“It's like poker. You can play your best, but you've got to know when to fold your cards and take a rest, and know when to hold your cards, hold your breath and hope that nobody else is stacking the deck."
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 29 2012 20:28 GMT
#57988
On May 30 2012 02:14 FastEddieV wrote:
Oh hey oniontaker's been posting. Hello oniontaker!

he's only posting because somebody here tarnished his good name
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
BabaHans1983
Profile Joined August 2011
Cambodia19 Posts
May 29 2012 21:13 GMT
#57989
Anybody know this first song from this video ?
not mr simple.. the first one ..thx



Fox116
Profile Joined April 2011
United States409 Posts
May 29 2012 21:38 GMT
#57990

Park Sun-Young
Hyomin (효민)
“Folding Screen”
May 30, 1989

Today is a special day, not only is it Hyomin's birthday, but also the day you find out foxu is crazy as the rest of you. I compiled pictures, videos, and gifs of Hyomin throughout the past few years. Some are just performances, but they are always good. Initially I had enough content to make my browser crash when in spoiler brackets and previewing. So, I decided to get rid of a lot of stuff and tone down the crazy. I am highlighting some stuff of Hyomin, a lot of work is through T-ara, but if it wasn't for T-ara, I probably wouldn't know Hyomin in the same way.

+ Show Spoiler [Content?] +

+ Show Spoiler [Invincible Youth] +
This is where Hyomin became my #1 kpop idol bias or whatever you want to call it. I found her super QT, and interesting. She had to work hard to get airtime and use Sunny to do it usually. I got bored of the show after about 20 episodes and stopped watching.

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#1 Water Girl
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+ Show Spoiler [Breaking Hearts] +
Breaking Heart is a repackaging of Absolute First Album by T-ara. It was one of the first kpop albums I bought. I officially owned 3 K Pop albums that day. Songs from here have the most plays on my playlist and ipod for all of my kpop songs. If you have never listened to it, than your missing out.
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+ Show Spoiler [Bo Peeps (2009)] +
The first T-ara song I ever heard; I assume I am not alone in that. Not too long after SC2 came out, I was watching Bo Peep on youtube when I saw a bunch of comments saying, “Huk sent me here” or “Huk!” So I ended up checking out Huk's stream one day, coincidentally enough Bo Peep was on. I don't watch many SC2 streams anymore, but I remember that moment.
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+ Show Spoiler [Like the First Time (2009)] +
This is one of my favorite T-ara songs actually. I think it may be the second music video I seen at the time of T-ara. It's sexy and cute at the same time. I have listened to the break down specifically on repeat.
+ Show Spoiler [Live Performances] +






+ Show Spoiler [IGCBOY (2010)] +
I don't think everyone in KMD likes this song; but these performances...
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+ Show Spoiler [Live Performances] +
To be that chair at :49...






+ Show Spoiler [Coffee Over Milk] +
This was an OST for the show SBS Coffee House.




+ Show Spoiler [My GF is a Gumiho] +
When I first started watching, I didn't know Hyomin was in this. I didn't keep watching for her, I mean, LSG #1. I know why the noonas love him.
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+ Show Spoiler [Temptastic] +

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I LOVE Yayaya, come at me bros!
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+ Show Spoiler [Yayaya (2010)] +
You make me go lalala! Hyomin so h-ho-hot!





+ Show Spoiler [Loly Poly (2011)] +
Roly Poly and repeat go together like purpl3 and bm.
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+ Show Spoiler [Roly Poly Musical] +
The hardest thing I had to watch...




+ Show Spoiler [MBC Drama Award: Newcome Award (2011)] +

Please don't cry HYOMIN! T.T

#1 Newcomer.


+ Show Spoiler [Lovey Dovey (2012)] +
There was a week or two where I had Lovey Dovey in Tokyo MV on repeat, on average I would watch it 10 times a day.

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+ Show Spoiler [WGM] +
Hyomin got married in 2012 for the WGM: China special or something. I wasn't happy, but Hyomin was so pretty I got over it.
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+ Show Spoiler [Roly Poly(Japan) (2012)] +

Lalala I like you!

Couldn't find full version....


+ Show Spoiler [Round & Round (2012)] +
Bingeul Bingeul! You don't realize how big KMD is until you have 15k views on your gifs.
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+ Show Spoiler [Favorites AKA Pic Dump] +
These are some of my favorite Hyomin photos. Usually pictures she posts on Twitter.
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Ham Hug!
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+ Show Spoiler [Dis Hyomin!] +
Hyomin mini concerts, for those that haven't seen.



Scarabs always going off in my head!
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
May 29 2012 21:45 GMT
#57991
What a post. Enjoy your place in the pantheon of kpop madness. And thanks for all the new hyomin videos ^^
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
TzaTzers
Profile Joined April 2009
United States589 Posts
May 29 2012 21:46 GMT
#57992
On May 30 2012 06:13 gazzzi wrote:
Anybody know this first song from this video ?
not mr simple.. the first one ..thx

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exCkjsc7_A4



The song is from the teaser.. idk if it is actually a song they did.
+ Show Spoiler [Teaser] +
"Why did the colossus fall over? because he was imbalanced..."
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
May 29 2012 21:47 GMT
#57993
Nothing crazy about that.

You're one of the good guys, Fox.
Always smile~
hai2u
Profile Joined September 2011
688 Posts
May 29 2012 21:48 GMT
#57994
wow Hyomin and Yoona bday today, 2 of my fav kpop girls, thx for the pics!
Waywatcher
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands205 Posts
May 29 2012 21:51 GMT
#57995
I have to thank you for that post fox

hyomin one of my favs
oniontaker
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom128 Posts
May 29 2012 21:58 GMT
#57996
On May 30 2012 02:14 FastEddieV wrote:
Oh hey oniontaker's been posting. Hello oniontaker!

Hai ^^

On May 30 2012 05:28 andyrau wrote:
he's only posting because somebody here tarnished his good name

I missed you too, Andy.
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Waterhaak
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands525 Posts
May 29 2012 22:12 GMT
#57997
Does anyone happen to have any pics of Remi?

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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 29 2012 22:18 GMT
#57998
On May 30 2012 02:07 oniontaker wrote:
This bit isn't really K-Pop, so spoiler:
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On May 29 2012 10:13 DystopiaX wrote:
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On May 28 2012 22:02 oniontaker wrote:
On May 28 2012 05:27 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 28 2012 00:21 Waterhaak wrote:
On May 27 2012 20:03 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 27 2012 19:50 firehand101 wrote:
Lol the performances are all blocked now T_T

And also, my original favourite band has been SS501 as they are the ones that got me into Kpop via 'love like this'

But now after experiencing virtually every top class Kpop group/artist there is, i think i have decided my favourite. It is....

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TVXQ! I just think all of their songs are so well written and performed. But can anyone help me understand their history a bit? it is really confusing. From what i understand, 3 members left because their contract was too long?

Cause SM sucks, yeah. Something about money, also their contract was 12 years or something like that, which is ridiculous.

Now SM are being dicks and preventing them from appearing on broadcast TV using their pull.

All the information I've seen about this suggests that greed on JYJ's part was the cause of the break up. And obviously SM, as well as everyone else in the industry are going to prevent them from appearing, it could cause serious damage to the way agencies work nowadays.

If a group can break away from their agency and still be fully operational, it's likely others will follow.

This is highly subjective, but I think working for SM is probably one of the best options you have as an idol.

I don't want to go too deep into this, simply because I lack the knowledge and time but if you really want to learn more I suggest reading trough this, http://oniontaker.com/tagged/jyj and judge for yourself.

I fail to see how, worst contracts out of any agency, also onion is both not very credible and a sm fanboy.

Sm pays you the least money and forces you to stay the longest. Sure they have the most pull but you're not necessarily going to benefit.

I also fail to see how jyjs greed was at fault when the courts have agreed that their contracts and treatment was unethical, and that sm also has to stop cockblocking them.

To suggest that anyone other than sm and maybe the rest of the big 3 care about preventing jyj from performing is ridiculous, especially if you're a tv station like kbs or whatever because you know a jyj appearance will boost ratings like no other performer could.

Edit- reading 3 of those onion posts just confirmed that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Contradicting facts and actual credible sources, sounds like an idiot.


Actually lol'd at the ignorance. But kewl.

Who said greed was at fault? It was the main motivator, that's the issue here. It's no fault to want the best for yourself, it's simply that JYJ overestimated the support they would have, or rather underestimated the hostility they would face, once they took legal action to break the contract instead of dealing with it in-house.

Almost any group could take their company to court and technically win in legal terms.
Whether the industry will accept them back is another issue altogether.

With the eye of the government on them from as early as 2008 (as a market leader in a growing prestige export industry), SM have had to change their ways a lot internally. To say that they are worse than DSP, CCM and many smaller agencies that are completely unregulated is just silly. I've seen musicians contracts with income splits as bad as 182 and that's just the ones I know about.

And about KBS, they're not just any other TV station. It's the closest thing to state-owned major media that Korea has.
Idiot? lol.

I don't feel like continuing this discussion because it won't get anyone anywhere, so just clarifying a few things:

I feel like you feel like I was replying to you (confusing I know lol) but all of that other than the edit was directed at Waterhaak, who clearly stated "Greed on JYJ's part was the cause of the breakup". I agree with what you said above, although if I were in their shoes and I'd still have done the split, you don't get on TV for performances but you're still huge and make bank and aren't required to stay with SM for 13 years (a contract which is both excessive and, contrary to what you seem to imply in your post, is not typical in the industry). But that's irrelevant anyway...

I also fail to see how CCM is a "small" agency- as a subsidiary of Mnet I'd argue they're pretty big. It's the parent company and not whatever the subcompany decides to call itself that counts.

Also I used KBS as a random name for an example of a TV station/content distributor. Either way the fact that they're government owned (which I was aware of) is irrelevant for the purpose of my example. The whole KBS thing was directed at the dude I was replying to anyway, who implied that the industry as a whole had motivation to cockblock JYJ.

Although I can't claim to have "contacts" like you, I don't think the ratio you described is atypical even for Western artists, for album sales at least. (the difference being ofc that western artists get far more of the pie in endorsement deals and shit like that). But that's irrelevant anyway. I'm not going to pretend that any idol company gives you a favorable contract cause they're all terrible. Just that if it were up to me I wouldn't sign with SM.

And I still disagree with your blog posts.

edit- @new guy/hallowed/purpl3- Not sure I'd want to be the world representative of Kpop anyway. At least foreign kpop, cause everything I've seen of it outside of this thread and like 2 IRL friends foreign kpop is comprised of annoying teenage girls and/or mentally deficient people.

@pulse- can't recognize Minah when sh'es not trying to make her eyes look as small as possible, or, as they call it "eyesmiling".


Sure, we can stop discussing it if you like. So despite the fact that you took the cheap dig of pretending to be the bigger man in your first line before continuing the discussion by incorrectly pointing out things in my post, I guess I'll stop myself at just clarifying why despite your explanations, I still feel that the posts and edits weren't aimed at Waterhaak but myself:

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onion is both not very credible and a sm fanboy.

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Edit- reading 3 of those onion posts just confirmed that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Contradicting facts and actual credible sources, sounds like an idiot.


When you launch a personal attack on someone and you get a reply back, don't be surprised. When the reply addresses your points with the view of dismantling them without calling you an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about, try not to pretend you're the bigger man.

I'll save you the trouble of having to read another wordy spiel in response to the individual points you set out by ending the discussion as you want.


Since I should be contributing something, SSF will be doing a charity auction of exclusive SNSD merchandise where all proceeds go to KRPS (charity founded by Sooyoung's father). HITSNY are also considering a similar auction (where a part of the proceeds will go to KRPS) with things like the shoes the girls wore during Live with Kelly and their tour jackets which is pretty big in terms of memorabilia since it's stuff they wore during their first wave of activities in the US.

Apparently Papa Choi is very grateful for the gesture from SSF and will be posting something soon via the SONE Union channels.

All in all, with the records coming out and possible concerts going on, wallets are going to be empty by the time this year is out lol.

Didn't know you even read this thread until you responded to me, so yeah...


As for the feeding question, Hyomin/Yoona always strike me as being too effing thin, so I guess I'll go with that.
Purpl3
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1067 Posts
May 29 2012 22:33 GMT
#57999
I take offense to that Fox! I am not that bm. ;;
Lokk
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada635 Posts
May 29 2012 22:39 GMT
#58000
The great Pancams of BBooinG~ more lainbow before comeback gogogogo~

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQhwWhEzAP0


Noeul pretty good
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