Anyone? I can't believe there wasn't a topic (that I could find) for this show.
Plot:
Set and produced in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Breaking Bad revolves around Walter White (Bryan Cranston), a struggling high school chemistry teacher with a teenage son who has cerebral palsy (RJ Mitte), and a pregnant wife, Skyler (Anna Gunn). When the already tense White is diagnosed with terminal lung cancer, he breaks down and turns to a life of crime, and starts producing and selling methamphetamine with his former student Jesse Pinkman (Aaron Paul) in a desire to secure his family's financial future.
I just watched all of season 1 (only 7 episodes) and I'm about to start on season 2. The finale for season 2 is tomorrow (Sunday) night.
Easily one of the best shows on t.v. I would consider it #2 behind Dexter. If you like Dexter you will probably like this show since it has a lot of the same premises. Quiet, nice, scientist that has a secret dark side of crime that not even their closest friends know about.
you know what....i been thinking of searching about this topic on tl....but have failed until I was on tl on a saturday night. A new topic at that.....I love this show.
Edit: I still need to watch episode 12 though. I for sure won't be able to catch it tomorrow.
Interesting plot synopsis...I was thinking "tough...tragic...more tragic...wtf meth?"
Sounds like an interesting show - can we watch online anywhere? (brb, googling)
OK, looks like the only legitimate way to watch the show online is at AMC's website here. Unfortunately, the site only hosts the (two?) most recent episodes. This shit pisses me off - how do networks expect us to get involved in their shows if we have to go out and buy 20 DVDs just to catch up on the plot thus far?
I saw the first episode and it was really good, but forgot the show existed until now. Usually don't turn to AMC for anything. But will find the episodes online later.
I couldn't stand Breaking Bad, it just seemed like every character took turns acting hysterical and shouting and nothing ever happened, especially the two main characters. One would freak out and start screaming about the situation they are in while the other tries to be rational then that one would freak out and they would trade roles and then they'd make their drug deal or something bad would happen and then tune in next week!
- as tv series go, breaking bad is in the top percentile, as is dexter : ) - now if we are going to compare, dexter is more amusing, breaking bad is more interesting
Love this show, can't wait for tomorrow night's episode. I wish this was made earlier so there could be discussion about the "current events" of the show, but for now I'll just say I definitely think it's Dexter caliber even though they're two totally different shows. P.S. Carnac, the fact that you're comparing this to Dexter+BSG makes me want to watch BSG for once
This show is really good and, as many have stated, somewhat similar to Dexter. The style they use, the realistic dialouges and settings really takes this show out of the "tv-show box", where you can't relate, and puts it closer to the viewer. And sometimes Walts cynical criticism of society and just stupid people in general is very liberating to hear especially as it comes from the same source (Tv-culture) that is partially responsible for the deterioration of general knowledge.
AH! I saw this on the front page and I had to post something. This show is amazing. Probably the best drama series outside of premium TV (I still think Dexter is better, but I could see Breaking Bad surpassing it with another solid season.) So intense. So smart. So enthralling. I cannot fucking wait for the finale tomorrow night. I admit that the show started somewhat slow, but it's just exploded now. The writers are doing an incredible job with the plot and especially character development.
I'm wondering if the black and white scene they've shown several times where there seems to be an explosion at walt's house will finally play out tomorrow. I'm still curious to see what exactly happened. and who are the two dead bodies are. Also, does anyone know if walt is still planning on cooking even after he made 500k from his most recent drug deal? I thought he said he was done after that, especially now since the DEA is realizing they got the wrong guy since there's more blue crystal on the market. but they still have lots of that chemical that replaces all of the over-the-counter meds. sorry for that non-sensible train of thought. it's almost 5am and i'm feeling a bit braindead.
I've downloaded season one of this THREE times. I could never keep on it. I watch one-two episodes, but then just lose patience. I made it to episode 5 (i think), but I just can't seem to find any interest in it. I don't like the characters, the premise seems rather boring, and I really can't bond with the lead character. Most of the scenes I'm just hoping for him to die or get caught or whatever. I guess I'll try YET AGAIN, seen as how you all praise it.
However, I can't believe you guys watched/loved this and dexter but can't be bothered to watch Jekyll.
On May 31 2009 20:43 CubEdIn wrote: However, I can't believe you guys watched/loved this and dexter but can't be bothered to watch Jekyll.
one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. also dexter & breaking bad are series with 2-3 seasons (+ more confirmed), while Jekyll is a 6 episode miniseries that ran 2 years ago...
On May 31 2009 20:43 CubEdIn wrote: However, I can't believe you guys watched/loved this and dexter but can't be bothered to watch Jekyll.
one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. also dexter & breaking bad are series with 2-3 seasons (+ more confirmed), while Jekyll is a 6 episode miniseries that ran 2 years ago...
Erm, I was referring to shows with similar themes, because someone mentioned the lovely character with a deep dark secret. In my opinion, this has been portrayed A LOT better in Jekyll then it has in Dexter OR Breaking Bad. Just because it's 6 episode-long (of 1hr each, meaning it's about 12 "normal" episodes), doesn't mean it's of less quality.
It's an awesome miniseries, but because it didn't get as much publicity as the popular shows, everyone thinks it's crap. -_-
Edit: and also, Dexter is from 2006 if I recall correctly. I really don't see why length is a determinant factor in choosing whether to watch something or not.
You come into this thread saying "However, I can't believe you guys watched/loved this and dexter but can't be bothered to watch Jekyll.". That simply doesnt make much sense. Can't be bothered? How about never heard of instead?
Jekyll might be great, I wouldn't know, it's the first time I hear of it and I'm certain it's the same for many users. Dexter on the other hand is very well known, many people like it and care enough to talk about it. It has had a 3 (or rather 3time 12 episode run) year run so far, so obviously there's more to talk about in an online forum, since people tend to post after each episode if sth. interesting happened.
You can't talk about the quality of something you don't know in the first place, so "everyone think it's crap" isn't exactly valid
On May 31 2009 21:41 Carnac wrote: Again, you misunderstand :p
You come into this thread saying "However, I can't believe you guys watched/loved this and dexter but can't be bothered to watch Jekyll.". That simply doesnt make much sense. Can't be bothered? How about never heard of instead?
Jekyll might be great, I wouldn't know, it's the first time I hear of it and I'm certain it's the same for many users. Dexter on the other hand is very well known, many people like it and care enough to talk about it. It has had a 3 (or rather 3time 12 episode run) year run so far, so obviously there's more to talk about in an online forum, since people tend to post after each episode if sth. interesting happened.
You can't talk about the quality of something you don't know in the first place, so "everyone think it's crap" isn't exactly valid
The "However, I can't believe... " part was strictly related to the "nice guy with dark side" comment. I explained that earlier.
And the can't be bothered part is here because I mentioned it A LOT of times in threads like these (usually regarding Dexter/Lost iirc) I even made a thread about it a long time ago. (see?)
And yeah, I know Dexter is more popular, and that's my pet peeve. I said that everyone thinks it's crap because, as you might have noticed, nobody is interested in it because it hasn't gotten as much publicity. I said that referring exactly to those who won't watch it because they never heard of it. It just makes me sad that shows like Jekyll go underground while stuff like Heroes, where the writers seem to be improvising as they go along get tons of credit, that's all. I wasn't dissing Dexter, I liked it almost as much.
On June 01 2009 02:48 CubEdIn wrote: I said that everyone thinks it's crap because, as you might have noticed, nobody is interested in it because it hasn't gotten as much publicity. I said that referring exactly to those who won't watch it because they never heard of it. It just makes me sad that shows like Jekyll go underground while stuff like Heroes, where the writers seem to be improvising as they go along get tons of credit, that's all. I wasn't dissing Dexter, I liked it almost as much.
Again that doesnt make much sense. You cant watch something you've never heard about (unless you actually stumble upon it by zapping on TV, which isn't very likely with a 6 episodes series). You cant think something is crap if you don't even know it exists in the first place. You're going at this from the wrong angle I'm no omniscient guru of TV, but I do watch my fair share of shows and I never heard of Jekyll until you mentioned it, I've never seen people talk about it either, same thing for the few people I asked after you mentioned it. And yes Heroes past season 1 was bad.
I live in Albuquerque New Mexico, where this is filmed. Very interesting to see these 'meth houses' just a few streets away from where I live, in some of the nice neighborhoods lol. I've visited the carwash he works at in the first few episodes alot too heh. This show gets TONS of negative press from the residents here, and the show has been banned from filming near several government buildings.
It's a great show, I think in some ways it appeals to that hidden rebellious side in all of us. Granted none of us will ever become drug lords probably, but the idea that a goodie two shoe chemistry professor can walk down that path give an interesting twist to the usual plot and makes for some interesting incidences. I'm in the middle of season 2 somewhere, hope the finale is amazing.
I really like the show's premise and its funny/witty/intense moments, but + Show Spoiler +
this one character, Jesse Pinkman, is seriously unlikeable, from the start to finish. He is, in a word, garbage. Honestly, he's a trash chemist who cant make shit by himself, then he's scared like a little chicken when tasked with "distribution". Worthless. Annoying. FUCKED UP. He's got a discipline of a 5 year old, I could probably follow directions better than him when I was 5. And he complains and bitches following blunders after blunders as if he's some hot shit who deserved anything, then he gets butthurt when Walter spells out the obvious for him. 50-50? I wouldn't give him 1 percent of my shit if I were Walter. I seriously hope he gets killed off so I don't have to stand his little whiny voice again. It prolly wont happen, but one can dream right? Gad this show would be so much better without this character.
Other than comedy series this, dexter and BSG are the only shows Ive been watching this year. I don't think its as good as dexter though. Its still easily top 5 among the series that are running atm.
Just watched season 2 and the finale .. it's still awesome There were a few moments in the series where I literally shouted out WTF because I was so into the story. + Show Spoiler +
Too bad the girl died. I liked her. Also I'm very afraid that somehow they'll make him lose all the money so he has to cook again. Well we'll see how it goes.
I want this show so bad, I being TIVOing it every sunday. It's awesome and the black and white scenes are really intriguing. Apart from this, + Show Spoiler +
I really shouted out loud when he didn't save the girl, I kinda liked her attitude up until she started to blackmail Walter
On June 02 2009 20:09 Konni wrote: Just watched season 2 and the finale .. it's still awesome There were a few moments in the series where I literally shouted out WTF because I was so into the story. + Show Spoiler +
Too bad the girl died. I liked her. Also I'm very afraid that somehow they'll make him lose all the money so he has to cook again. Well we'll see how it goes.
Season 3 is scheduled for 2010 I believe?
I love the show but the finale pissed me off. They should have wrapped something up, not started a whole new storyline now I have to wait a year for this shit to come back, awful
Yeah, the finale was pretty disappointing. All those B&W previews throughout the season and they amount to pretty much nothing?
On June 02 2009 17:38 GoodWill wrote: I really like the show's premise and its funny/witty/intense moments, but + Show Spoiler +
this one character, Jesse Pinkman, is seriously unlikeable, from the start to finish. He is, in a word, garbage. Honestly, he's a trash chemist who cant make shit by himself, then he's scared like a little chicken when tasked with "distribution". Worthless. Annoying. FUCKED UP. He's got a discipline of a 5 year old, I could probably follow directions better than him when I was 5. And he complains and bitches following blunders after blunders as if he's some hot shit who deserved anything, then he gets butthurt when Walter spells out the obvious for him. 50-50? I wouldn't give him 1 percent of my shit if I were Walter. I seriously hope he gets killed off so I don't have to stand his little whiny voice again. It prolly wont happen, but one can dream right? Gad this show would be so much better without this character.
You're supposed to hate him, at least at first. He's a worthless human being. He slowly becomes more sympathetic throughout the show though, as he tries to be more responsible but his past mistakes keep biting him in the ass, and Walter keeps pushing him to do more and more awful shit. He also has to face the very real consequences of their actions (having to do most of the dirty work, losing his friend, etc) while Walter can maintain a relatively normal life with his family. Walter can be brutally pragmatic in the name of business while Jesse actually seems to be the more moral one.
In the end, I think I have more sympathy for the loser junkie than for the teacher/upstanding citizen with terminal cancer who's just lost his family.
I don't know about nothing... Walt let Jane die, Jane's dad fucks up at air traffic control because of it, two planes crash into each other (?), teddy bear from one plane falls into the Whites' swimming pool
I really liked all of the seasons of Breaking Bad as well as Dexter. I can't wait for the next season of Breaking Bad, I recommend it to anyone who is looking for some decent television!
I don't know about nothing... Walt let Jane die, Jane's dad fucks up at air traffic control because of it, two planes crash into each other (?), teddy bear from one plane falls into the Whites' swimming pool
I don't know about nothing... Walt let Jane die, Jane's dad fucks up at air traffic control because of it, two planes crash into each other (?), teddy bear from one plane falls into the Whites' swimming pool
I don't know about nothing... Walt let Jane die, Jane's dad fucks up at air traffic control because of it, two planes crash into each other (?), teddy bear from one plane falls into the Whites' swimming pool
I had originally thought either a meth lab explosion (towards the beginning of the series), or the El Polo drug dealer blew up Walt's house because his brother in law is with the DEA (later part of the series). To have it be something completely random, was kinda silly. Well, not random, just so very unlikely that the stars aligned so perfectly. Also, weren't Walt's glasses found in the driveway area, where the two bodies were? Sure, they could belong to someone on the plane, but they aren't the most common frames. At the end of the finale, it was just him looking into the pool, so I'm not sure how they'll work that in, or if they just overlooked it.
I don't know about nothing... Walt let Jane die, Jane's dad fucks up at air traffic control because of it, two planes crash into each other (?), teddy bear from one plane falls into the Whites' swimming pool
I had originally thought either a meth lab explosion (towards the beginning of the series), or the El Polo drug dealer blew up Walt's house because his brother in law is with the DEA (later part of the series). To have it be something completely random, was kinda silly. Well, not random, just so very unlikely that the stars aligned so perfectly. Also, weren't Walt's glasses found in the driveway area, where the two bodies were? Sure, they could belong to someone on the plane, but they aren't the most common frames. At the end of the finale, it was just him looking into the pool, so I'm not sure how they'll work that in, or if they just overlooked it.
Sooo that's where the pink teddy bear came from. I originally thought it maybe was a gift for the new baby girl before the house explodes... or something. But no, it's from the plane crashes. hm .....
If Walter was smart he would say that he won the money by playing poker or something. It also covers the excuse why he is away so often, he can say that he makes trips to Las Vegas (not far from new mexico) and that he won a big tournament when he said he went to go visit his mother. That way he can take credit for earning the money to provide for his family and it wasn't by dumb luck.
I watched 17 episodes in 2 days to get myself caught up. The finale was a let down, but overall season 2 was great. I give this a solid grade: A. I recommend it. Something good to watch while waiting for dexter.
If Walter was smart he would say that he won the money by playing poker or something. It also covers the excuse why he is away so often, he can say that he makes trips to Las Vegas (not far from new mexico) and that he won a big tournament when he said he went to go visit his mother. That way he can take credit for earning the money to provide for his family and it wasn't by dumb luck.
On June 07 2009 03:48 DanteStyle wrote: wow u guys overrate breaking bad imo , its WAY to slow and there is way too much nagging and blablabla and too much drama. but its still good
Exactly. I can see why this is compared with dexter but all I can read is hype and overhype. I finished watching the second season and it was a let down for me. I love dexter more because it is a show where characters are having a battle of wit. Every character is acting as smart as they can. On the other side you have Breaking Bad where you have people acting stupid and then the scenario tries to cover for that and gives reasons, this is the same kind of failure that happens periodicaly in Heroes.
The story of breaking bad is captivating. Althout little bit formatized as the second season was clearly divided in such a way that you get one plot thing/ episode.
The plot structure which really get me into a show is the one found in Dexter and Death Note. You have always 3 level of plot. One plot for that episode, one plot for 3-4 episode, one major plot for the season. Simpsons have also such kind of plot structure within one episode, which makes that 20 min episode seems that it is much longer than it really is. Same feeling happened with dexter but it is quite extrem.
I have never been so relieved by the end of the last season of Dexter, it fully closed that season, you could breath relax and not wanting more.
Breaking bad does that big mistake of not closing that season clearly. The end season was more like a midseason "high point". You get to understand what will happen after this season.
In conclusion: Dexter is better than this.
Dexter: special people acting smart. Breaking bad: normal people acting stupid.
On May 31 2009 13:19 zizou21 wrote: i hope this isn't like weeds AMC's Madmen was top knotch tho, def checking this out
It's not cartoony like Weeds. The show is incredibly dark and it's not necessarily filled with fast paced action (some of it is there though.) It's more about character development and I can see how you might lose patience if you expect something big in every episode, but I'm glad they don't cut it up like that. It makes it feel like more of a series and less episodic. Shit like House is completely formulaic and there's barely any developing story, whereas this is slower inside each episode but the story carries along the entire season.
There's really not much comedy in Breaking Bad, and it's usually pretty wry, but I like it that way in a serious drama. I'm not looking forward to finishing season 2 though. :/
Also, Tuco is the best badass I've ever seen on TV.
Yo I ended up watching the entire 2 seasons with my girlfriend because of this thread. loved the show, but the finale really left a really sour taste in my mouth :x
That shit was just dumb. And it did what every fucking bad show does (foreshadowing the bear,etc). Fuck what a shame. and bringing in the butterfly effect into this just makes me want to puke + Show Spoiler +
Although I am glad to see that bitch die
btw are they making a 3rd season? Did they write the first two seasons at the same time?
EDIT: haha glad someone mentioned that poker hand walter bluffed. that shit didn't make ANY fucking sense ahaaah. srsly how does shit like this get on TV
He's he one of those badguys doing crime for good like Dexter? Or what other shows can you compare it to? I might check it out if its pretty high quality when I get back from my trip
On May 31 2009 20:43 CubEdIn wrote: However, I can't believe you guys watched/loved this and dexter but can't be bothered to watch Jekyll.
one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. also dexter & breaking bad are series with 2-3 seasons (+ more confirmed), while Jekyll is a 6 episode miniseries that ran 2 years ago...
Erm, I was referring to shows with similar themes, because someone mentioned the lovely character with a deep dark secret. In my opinion, this has been portrayed A LOT better in Jekyll then it has in Dexter OR Breaking Bad. Just because it's 6 episode-long (of 1hr each, meaning it's about 12 "normal" episodes), doesn't mean it's of less quality.
It's an awesome miniseries, but because it didn't get as much publicity as the popular shows, everyone thinks it's crap. -_-
Edit: and also, Dexter is from 2006 if I recall correctly. I really don't see why length is a determinant factor in choosing whether to watch something or not.
Glad this topic was bumped, because I wanted to address something here, and was too lazy to bump it myself. I put Jekyll in my Netflix queue on your recommendation. And as has already been stated, no one who hasn't seen this show thinks it's crap. You just said it yourself, the show didn't get any publicity, and thus the majority of the people here at TL, hadn't seen it, or even heard of it. There's a big difference between never hearing of a show, and thinking it's crap.
Moving on. I watched both discs in a two day span, and there's no denying that it isn't a bad mini-series, in fact, it's actually pretty damn good. I really enjoyed it, however, after having watched it, without any opinion at all to begin with, I can honestly say that I don't think it's anywhere near as good as Dexter. Breaking Bad was good, but I think it falls short of Dexter as well, so Jekyll and Breaking Bad would probably be on the same level for me.
As for the character with a deep dark secret, I still think Dexter does it best. As was mentioned by someone else, it's like a constant game of hiding his identity, and juggling his job/real life, while hiding his nightlife. It very akin to Death Note, where he has to plot his moves a couple steps ahead, and adapt as the net closes in on him. Makes for a very tense and exciting show.
I'll agree that in Breaking Bad it does kinda seem like ordinary people make stupid mistakes. + Show Spoiler +
Like with his brother in law, for example. I can understand not wanting to think someone you love is doing anything wrong, but he hasn't even given Walt a passing thought. Let's see, Walt suddenly takes an interest in a ride along, checks out a meth lab. He's a Chemistry teacher, and could do much more in the field, so he definitely has the knowledge. Shortly after the ride along, almost pure meth shows up, the kind of stuff that some random junkie couldn't produce. There's suspicions that he has a second cell phone, he was missing the same time his pot dealer was (who has the license plate of the Capn), where his car was found in Mexico, with Tuco, a well known meth dealer. It's been a few weeks since I've watched the series, so I can't recall all the details, but I think there might have been more.
And it all just basically made me go "how are they not at least looking into Walt?".
That's one flaw with Jekyll. Yes, the hiding of the secret was better than Breaking Bad, I'll agree, but being that it is a short show, they just don't have the time to play the games like Dexter does. And it's unfortunate. I think that if the series had been longer, they could have fleshed it out more, but it wasn't. He didn't hide the secret all that well, but he understandably couldn't, being that he's essentially two people, and has no control over Hyde, other than a few rules in place. + Show Spoiler +
It basically went like, "okay, I have a separate place. I don't spend any time with my family. She's so suspicious of me, that she hires a PI, who finds out my secret, but withholds the information from my wife." Whereas in Dexter, he has to juggle everything, and when suspicions are cast upon him, he deals with them. If he didn't plan well enough to avoid them all together. But once again, it doesn't take away from Jekyll, because he's more worried about protecting his family, than he is hiding his secret.
And that's why I think it's a bit hard to compare the series, they essentially have two different objectives.
Anyhow, TL;DR would be:
I really enjoyed Jekyll, and would recommend it to everyone here who hadn't heard of it (like I hadn't), however, I still think Dexter did a better job, and think it holds the spot as the best show on TV (probably undisputed now that The Wire is done with).
Can't wait, but I'm not sure if I should start watching it immediately, or wait a few weeks so I could splurge and watch a few episodes at a time. I'll no doubt do the former, but the latter is so satisfying.
This is going to be so epic! I just watched through the show again so I would be totally up to speed once the third season starts. I'd really forgotten just how funny and cool the show is!
not even comparable? I would beg to differ. Although the one thing I found unscrupulous was about halfway through season 2 when Walt wants to make lots more money for like no reason at all other than to feed his desires to perfect systems, forcing Jesse to think bigger. He set his "number," so I don't see why he was so set on making a significant amount more. Maybe he forgot what he was doing was "bad," and saw this as a career opportunity for Jesse?
Just watched both seasons in a week. Im really hooked on it and managed to get all my friends watching it as well. Anyone know when season 3 starts in the UK?
not even comparable? I would beg to differ. Although the one thing I found unscrupulous was about halfway through season 2 when Walt wants to make lots more money for like no reason at all other than to feed his desires to perfect systems, forcing Jesse to think bigger. He set his "number," so I don't see why he was so set on making a significant amount more. Maybe he forgot what he was doing was "bad," and saw this as a career opportunity for Jesse?
During the course of this show, Walt has moved away from cooking meth from money to cooking meth for the fact that it makes him feel powerful. He gets some sort of a satisfaction from breaking the rules and, for the first time in his life and taking control. Remember him at the start of the first season? He worked at a car wash, his wife wouldn't serve him anything edible, and students in his class barely even listened.
It kind of started when he went to (season one spoilers) + Show Spoiler +
Tuco's place and detonated that fulminated mercury
. Since then, he has been getting more and more aggressive; there was that scene in the parking lot with the guys trying to cook, the way he talked to the student pleading with him for a passing grade, and so on.
He's kind of torn between doing this for the money and actually liking it. It's an enormous part of the show at this point in time.
Not as good as Dexter, but it's still a good show. Honestly, the middle of season 1 was really boring because most of the scenes were about him coughing and dealing with family issues. I'm just glad they got back into the action by the end of season 1.
What other TV shows do you all watch? (I'm watching Dexter, Breaking Bad, Caprica, and South Park.)
On March 19 2010 00:56 sharkeyanti wrote: not even comparable? I would beg to differ. Although the one thing I found unscrupulous was about halfway through season 2 when Walt wants to make lots more money for like no reason at all other than to feed his desires to perfect systems, forcing Jesse to think bigger. He set his "number," so I don't see why he was so set on making a significant amount more. Maybe he forgot what he was doing was "bad," and saw this as a career opportunity for Jesse?
It's not as shallow and attention-seeking as dexter, lost or prison break, but still i think it contains certain elements that clearly separates it from shows like Mad Men or The Wire, which are so realistic and well written that you feel like you learn a bit about life itself while watching.
I only saw the first 5 eps or something but i didn't find it as realistic as i tries/aims to be and it was way to sensational and full of cliffhangers for my taste. I don't mean to rant about any taste/opinion being better than any other though, just stating mine.
This show is awesome and Bryan Cranston owns. The one thing that upset me is how easily Hank is overlooking the obvious....I can't wait until he gets caught; that is something I really want to see how the writers flesh out. I won't give away any spoilers as to the ending of last season.
On March 20 2010 19:40 Rothbardian wrote: This show is awesome and Bryan Cranston owns. The one thing that upset me is how easily Hank is overlooking the obvious....I can't wait until he gets caught; that is something I really want to see how the writers flesh out. I won't give away any spoilers as to the ending of last season.
He dosent really overlook things, he did miss the obvious when he was investigating the stolen lab gear from the school but apart from that
Nice, watched all of season 1 and 2 and over christmas break and am excited for season 3. It's hard to make chemistry look badass but this show does it.
I thought it was a pretty good start to the new season, the opening sequence and the new characters were especially bad ass. Skylar has completely turned on Walt and I'm not too sure why he is still chasing her at the end of the episode. I could see her going down like Rita did on Dexter.
I hope later for a couple episodes of Hank v Walt. He's been overlooking the obvious signs for a while and Skylar has now threatened to talk to him. I'm also looking forward to how far Jesse goes in embracing his new role as the "Bad Guy."
man those mexican killers are badass. and it gets me everytime when walt slaps the truth right in hanks face (half million in cash) and hes like "nnaaaaaaahhh =D"
imagine skyler going up to hank like "walts dealing meth omigosh!" and hanks like "naaaaaaaahhhh =D"
hanks gotta be the greatest character of all time, i cant wait until he finds out.
a) The Cousins work with Tuco's grandpa who is actually in bed with Chicken Guy at some level of the cartel
or
b) Granddad Tuco found out that Walt works with Chicken Guy and can't handle the heat of a potential war with him right now.
The Cousins (when was it revealed they were cousins?) are clearly above Tuco's grandpa; that's why they were intimidating him for information.
The Chicken Guy is even higher up than they are, though he apparently wasn't aware they were sent in the first place, indicating he's not the highest in the food chain, but clearly, since they left at his request, he is someone to be reckoned with.
a) The Cousins work with Tuco's grandpa who is actually in bed with Chicken Guy at some level of the cartel
or
b) Granddad Tuco found out that Walt works with Chicken Guy and can't handle the heat of a potential war with him right now.
The Cousins (when was it revealed they were cousins?) are clearly above Tuco's grandpa; that's why they were intimidating him for information.
The Chicken Guy is even higher up than they are, though he apparently wasn't aware they were sent in the first place, indicating he's not the highest in the food chain, but clearly, since they left at his request, he is someone to be reckoned with.
What? Seems to me that the grandpa called the brothers (cousins?) for a revenge hit. They weren't intimidating for information; grandpa was simply trying to give a name. Obviously, grandpa Tuco used to be someone.
But yea, Pollos/Gus seems to be the head distributor above the border.
There's a 5-minute preview up for episode 3 on AMC's Breaking Bad website which explains/shows a lot of the stuff related to Gus, the Cousins, and Tuco's "grandpa."
a) The Cousins work with Tuco's grandpa who is actually in bed with Chicken Guy at some level of the cartel
or
b) Granddad Tuco found out that Walt works with Chicken Guy and can't handle the heat of a potential war with him right now.
The Cousins (when was it revealed they were cousins?) are clearly above Tuco's grandpa; that's why they were intimidating him for information.
The Chicken Guy is even higher up than they are, though he apparently wasn't aware they were sent in the first place, indicating he's not the highest in the food chain, but clearly, since they left at his request, he is someone to be reckoned with.
They are cousins of Tuco and work for a mexican cartel that also does business with Gus/Pollos. Gus/Pollos asked for the hit to be called off because he wants more of Walt's product even though Walt said he quit and won't make anymore. Now he will probably try to pressure Walt to cook as he will have no reason to call off the dogs if Walt isn't useful to him.
a) The Cousins work with Tuco's grandpa who is actually in bed with Chicken Guy at some level of the cartel
or
b) Granddad Tuco found out that Walt works with Chicken Guy and can't handle the heat of a potential war with him right now.
The Cousins (when was it revealed they were cousins?) are clearly above Tuco's grandpa; that's why they were intimidating him for information.
The Chicken Guy is even higher up than they are, though he apparently wasn't aware they were sent in the first place, indicating he's not the highest in the food chain, but clearly, since they left at his request, he is someone to be reckoned with.
They are cousins of Tuco and work for a mexican cartel that also does business with Gus/Pollos. Gus/Pollos asked for the hit to be called off because he wants more of Walt's product even though Walt said he quit and won't make anymore. Now he will probably try to pressure Walt to cook as he will have no reason to call off the dogs if Walt isn't useful to him.
Oh okay, that makes sense. Walt's pretty screwed. I also forgot the grandpa used the bell to say yes...
Good season so far! Still continues to be awesome.
I'm just sad I don't have AMC. Pondering an upgrade on the Dish agreement.. but I think I'll save myself a few extra bucks and keep getting the episodes otherwise. No commercials too ;-]
Yeah, season is good, but there isn't a whole lot happening. I liked the developments in this episode, but it took me about two hours to get through it because nothing was happening. Hopefully the second half of the season packs in some action.
On April 20 2010 06:38 So no fek wrote: Yeah, season is good, but there isn't a whole lot happening. I liked the developments in this episode, but it took me about two hours to get through it because nothing was happening. Hopefully the second half of the season packs in some action.
Yeah this season has been pretty slow, I don't know if I like it as much as the first seasons yet, but Gus revealing the chem lab was just so awesome :D
Previews for the next episode make it seem like the action picks up. Lots of things working, Hank suspecting Jesse, Walter cooking agan, divorce going through, etc.
why are walt and jesse enemies now all of a sudden... because jesse betrayed walts chemistry? i thought maybe walt wants to give jesse a reason to hate him because after all he just watched while his girlfriend choked to death but he doesnt have the balls to tell him. although that seems pretty far, i guess you really feel it that each episode has different writers, but that kind of makes for unpredictable characters, i mean all what has been said by walt is pointless by now cause he just needed some men-do-what-they-do speech bullshit to get cooking again after all that boring im-done shit, but that doesnt really ruin the show for me until i see how it finally plays out, just some inconsistency problems i have with this season so far
and wowowowowow hanks gonna catch heisenberg soon, i tell ya. hes by far the most interesting character at this point.
On April 21 2010 10:13 government delta wrote: why are walt and jesse enemies now all of a sudden... because jesse betrayed walts chemistry?
I think it's safe to say yes, that is it. He has been obsessive about his product, his chemistry, etc. You can tell that he practically creams himself when he sees that Lab that Gus put together. He would get extremely pissed that someone is attaching his name to an inferior product.
Walt and Jesse are at odds because Jesse and his girlfriend blackmailed Walt and threatened to turn him in, as well as the fact that Jesse has only proven himself to be a fuck up/drug addict.
On April 21 2010 12:54 iheartgna wrote: Walt and Jesse are at odds because Jesse and his girlfriend blackmailed Walt and threatened to turn him in, as well as the fact that Jesse has only proven himself to be a fuck up/drug addict.
no, they had made up after that when Jesse was in rehab. Any grudge Walt could hold from that would easily be outweighed by the fact he let his girlfriend die.
oh well walt can make mistakes too, i mean that episode kind of showed not much of what was going on in walts head sooo yeah, still, it just feels kind of sudden after walt looking after jesse while he was in rehab and welcoming him when he got out, like there was this yeah-the-business-is-down-for-this-family-thing-but-if-we-could-we-would-cook mentality... but i guess that wasnt really there at all haha.
but yeah about the jesse drug fuck up thing, why was he in rehab again? i mean this character went through some serious development with that whole rehab stuff (and man that therapist was creepy), then he just hung around for a while, constantly checking his dead girls voicemail until that got shut off and was just really really sad, not saying anything at all and where i was like okay this character has fucking chaaanged, but now hes exactly the same as before, making dumb comments, making dumb mistakes (which will get him caught by hank eventually) and just being that jesse guy again, my point is, what was all that rehab development for? ahh okay, maybe its too soon to say anything (2 eps? in that time worlds collided in season 2 i feel) but this season feels really fucking slow. he will get back to drugs anyway,... eventually. i still like this character though, i mean i like him best while hanging out with walt who is getting kind of annoyed but endures it, but im really looking forward to him crashing into hank.
Best episode of the season easily, if not one of the best for the entire series. So tense, and I can't wait to see what they do with the rest of the season.
At first I thought his lab assistant was gearing up to take his place, which is still probable, as a contingency plan, I guess. But the whole scene in the RV, and then the ending. I'd hate to see it happen, as Hank is one of the better characters on the show, but I could see Hank learning of Walt's trade and then getting the ax, literally speaking.
Hmmm that assistant speech about the beauty of chemistry was so unatural and walt was not buying it. Hank won't get axed, he is a badass and can handle the twins, Walt may at one point have to help him if he figures out this thing.
Hank will find out that Jesse doesn' t know his phone # so there had to be someone else involved(that knows him). Also hank will become suspicious that jesse's rv is crushed right after he talked with walt..
The last two episodes really sparked some life and action into this show. I really hope they can keep this up, although pinkman is a crying piece of shit. I cant stand pinkman, have you seen his friends?
Pinkman is completely and utterly unlikeable. The speech that's supposed to make himself look like a victim and garner some sympathy fails because everything he said about himself being worthless is true. But wait! He's got 1.5 mil and he's still pissed. Oh god what a poor little guy, he deserves so much more for being the garbage that he is, WOW.
On the positive side the Mexican brothers are finally solved, I wonder how Frank will deal with Walt after he learns about the whole incident (and he will learn it out if he hasn't already). Have Gale take his place maybe?
Just finished watching the last episode and it was so awesome. Hank just had his second crowning moment of awesome and he has become my favorite character in this show. A good and honest cop with human characteristics? What's there not to like. : 3
In the last scene with the two brothers against Hank, I was moving all over the place. I have never felt so on edge during a scene. Watching Hank struggle to get the bullet in his gun, and then firing it into the guy's head at the last possible second was amazing. Hank is a complete badass.
It makes me wonder though. Who will get the blame for this? Will they recognize it as a revenge killing for Tuco, or will Hank blame Jessie for sending assassins? Will this lead to more attempts for revenge from the Cartel? I can't wait for the next episode.
I'm also glad that Jessie/Walt are back together. I really like how they interact and work together.
Eh, for me that last scene reminded too much of MW1 and MW2. Seriously, I kept thinking all the time 'press V to shoot'. : D But Hank has actually been shown as a character that can put 1 and 1 together, so some axe-wielding mexican assassins with bullet-proof vests? I think he'll rule out the possibility for Jessie being able to pack such heat and considering that DEA has some insight into the workings of the Cartel, that will probably be connected to revenge for Tuco. But at the same time, Jessie did drop the charges, so... this could work out both ways. :3
I think it's definitely Gus. He seems to have a lot of knowledge about the hits going on and he doesn't like the Salamanca brothers at all, so I think it's his hand either directly or indirectly behind that call.
It was obviously Gus (or someone working for Gus). He had 'set up' having the Brothers to go after Hank and he benefits from mutual bloodshed between the Brothers and/or Hank. Either side killing the other is beneficial for Gus.
It's also a possibility the brothers called him, because they're fucking insane. If Hank didn't get the call he would have driven off by the time they got there.
Gus has at least a couple motives for warning Hank. Most important of which is that Walt might quit when he found out his brother was killed by acquaintances of Gus. It's also gotta be bad for business for a DEA agent to be killed by a cartel on American turf, aka Gus's turf.
This episode was necessary from a continuity standpoint but it doesn't change the fact that it was still slow as hell.
Are you saying it wasn't?
The assassination was off screen, and although the destruction of the cartel was a nice surprise, it was too late to salvage a rather bleh episode.
The whole hospital setting is quite constraining and watching Jessie sit around do nothing is boring.
Breaking Bad is a great show but not every episode's going to be great, or even very good. This was one of them.
Posts like this boggle my mind. It's completely unrealistic for every episode to have some huge climactic event happening, and just because an episode doesn't have one doesn't make it "bad" or "not very good". It's an important episode and one that develops and shapes the plot for rest of the season nicely. Just because the last scene wasn't some action filled bloody shootout doesn't mean it wasn't interesting.
Basically I'm saying I thoroughly disagree with your sentiments. But I understand the point your trying to make, it's just dumb to me.
Uhh, yes, I think we all agree that it's unrealistic for every episode to have some huge climax. This point was made in my first post - a let down was bound to happen from the 2 previous episodes.
Now, maybe I should have chosen my words more carefully as people are taking my statement for - this was a bad episode.
You're right, this was a setup episode. And to me, it felt slow and plodding.
I didn't like the execution of Juan's death. Arguably, the most exciting part (the cartel intrigue) of the show was largely off screen until the final showdown.
As my friend has said, this show has a very deliberate pace. Sometimes that brings nuances and great character study, but it can also be boring.
This wasn't a bad episode but it wasn't very good by Breaking Bad standards.
I would rate this episode a B. You would give it an A?
Also, I think it's apt you used the term setup episode; it what a lot of people I know use to describe a lull before something better.
lol i am so glad this show isnt like lost or flash forward where every single sentence basically anyone says gets this dramatic overtone to it and everything is soooo impact heavy ridiculously bad.
i liked this last episode, the characters werent fucking goings crazy all of a sudden or anything which i really feared for after the first few episodes of season 3, even characters i hate like walts family really could kinda shine here and not be annoying for once.
not much action, but i loved the dialogue overall and i really loved how awkwardly walt got rid of his lab assistant and then really awkwardly lied to gus, makes him so human. i also really liked how jesse sat around doing nothing, cause honestly, what could he have done? i think for todays standards (which is LOW, ok?) in television series thats really cool, cause take 24 for instance (or anything else, not the point), those characters have so thrilling lifes they cant even go to the toilet without someone trying to kill them, and... come on, he even trashed some expensive equipment.
what i really like is the progress in the plot, cause you'd think that after the last cousin tried to creep up to walt with like a billion of dea agents standing right behind him SOMEONE would get suspicious (okay maybe the show is saving that for hank, cause he really deserves it by now), but before they can ask him about his reasons, he gets killed off and to further demonstrate gus's power we also get to see him taking out the cartel boss, really really awesome.
If Walter was smart he would say that he won the money by playing poker or something. It also covers the excuse why he is away so often, he can say that he makes trips to Las Vegas (not far from new mexico) and that he won a big tournament when he said he went to go visit his mother. That way he can take credit for earning the money to provide for his family and it wasn't by dumb luck.
wonderful episode, pulling a lot of strings together i think.
but i didnt really buy skylars story, not because the basic idea is stupid because it really isnt, its just that she's such a bad lyer... then again, marie is pretty naive so no wonder she gave in immediatly, but she will tell hank i hope and he will catch heisenberg even from a wheelchair.... and once again were proven how big of a dumbass jesse is.
hahahaha and when he said a whole new market it sounded way bigger than ex-druggies, and why is that a new market anyway? i think their plan is totally meant to fail.
this episode was as boring and substanceless as the last one... although IMO this show is one of the best shows on TV because it has a coherent story, i think most of the characters are starting to act out of character. and how exactly did walt kno that the cartel was after him but then somehow their plan got deferred onto his brother in law? He could infer this by watching the mexican crawl after him w/ no legs? He could see it in his eyes maybe?
On May 18 2010 00:03 zizou21 wrote: this episode was as boring and substanceless as the last one... although IMO this show is one of the best shows on TV because it has a coherent story, i think most of the characters are starting to act out of character. and how exactly did walt kno that the cartel was after him but then somehow their plan got deferred onto his brother in law? He could infer this by watching the mexican crawl after him w/ no legs? He could see it in his eyes maybe?
in a later scene he kind of found out that they were related to tuco, with the backup of jesses memory. so i guess thats ok. i kinda worry that the show will continue ignoring the fact that walt got rid of jesses girl... i wanna see how that plays out.
These last episodes have been pretty awesome, only thing i would say is that i can already see Jesse screwing up the lab or something while hank is still at the hospital, and it's really annoying and really predictable. Personally i think they should either kill Jesse off right now, or change him a lot, maybe a rival drug lord of Walt because i think his characters gone as far as he can go, fucked up druggie kid who's had bad things happen to him around Walt and always screws thing up for Walt, nothing much else to explore.
Edit: Also i want to see more of the kind of episode in the first season where he blew up tuco's store with that chemical, that was so frigging cool, went in their like a bamf and just shitted in Tuco's face to get a deal.
On May 18 2010 00:17 UdderChaos wrote: These last episodes have been pretty awesome, only thing i would say is that i can already see Jesse screwing up the lab or something while hank is still at the hospital, and it's really annoying and really predictable. Personally i think they should either kill Jesse off right now, or change him a lot, maybe a rival drug lord of Walt because i think his characters gone as far as he can go, fucked up druggie kid who's had bad things happen to him around Walt and always screws thing up for Walt, nothing much else to explore.
Yeah I totally agree. I would like to see some development to stupid Jesse
This is the best show on tv IMO, so if you need a replacement for your old shows ending/being cancelled, def. watch this show +_+ only other show that rivals this one atm is probably dexter
On May 18 2010 06:55 cujo2k wrote: This is the best show on tv IMO, so if you need a replacement for your old shows ending/being cancelled, def. watch this show +_+ only other show that rivals this one atm is probably dexter
I really cant stand that piece of shit jesse. Often I picture walt ripping his hearth out. I want this kid to die a slow and painful death so we can focus on other characters. How come walt is so stupid and let jesse in his life?
I also want to see more of a badass walt like when he flipped in the first season.
To those of you that don't understand why Walt wanted Jesse back or Jesse generally acts like a complete idiot even after getting such a lax job I think I can explain it to you.
They want that thrill. Like when Walt blew up the place that tuco was in? Remember that awesome shot of him walking away? Shaved head and looking like the guy you don't want to even remotely think of improperly.
It is the same for Jesse, he wants to start dealing meth and running his own miniature empire like he did before. He enjoys that, he was in charge of tons of people and making lots of cash and loved it.
This is really the whole idea of the show, Walt's Breaking Bad is him needing to supply for his family and now his brother-in-law but getting hooked on that rush and thrill. A good example of this would have to be on the last episode when walt moves into the oncoming lane and closing his eyes. Then swerving off and directly after switching his blinker on to move back onto the road when there is absolutely NO ONE nearby.
lol... What an episode ?! That was one you definitly can't show to someone and argue this show is worth watching. Yet there was something special in this, the change of style and pace is predicting something big for season final, death of main character... Like in death note...
The Fly gets my marks as an episode that effectively brings the focus back to the two main characters. This past season has really focused on the other characters, but now I think our focus is squarely on Walt and Jesse. Can't wait for the season's final episodes
On May 25 2010 04:00 sharkeyanti wrote: The writing for this show is so good...
The Fly gets my marks as an episode that effectively brings the focus back to the two main characters. This past season has really focused on the other characters, but now I think our focus is squarely on Walt and Jesse. Can't wait for the season's final episodes
Agreed, this weeks episode was fantastic and refreshed the relationship between Walt/Jesse really well - I loved it. like you said, cant wait for the rest of the episodes.
I was in major suspense watching the ladder scene. I was ready for Walt to reveal what he did to Jane and for something huge to happen - Jesse falling off and breaking his neck or coming down and killing Walt.
Apart from that though, I think this episode ran too long focusing on one thing. It could have been covered in half the time and had 20 mins for something else to happen.
Excellent episode. Not even really because of what happened, but because of the fact they managed to make it so entertaining when it's just two characters talking, for literally the entire episode. I can only think of one or two other shows that could possibly pull that off without coming off as forced. Story wise this episode was pointless, but character wise? Absolutely amazing and I'm so glad they take the time to do this shit because its so fucking fresh. I was also really, really tense in the ladder scene and that moment is just a testament to how good the writing is.
i love this show, it might take my #1 show slot from dexter before this season's over...
On May 25 2010 05:18 stroggos wrote: lol@ the reference to pulp fiction this episode when he picks up the hammer.
Yeah ha! this episode was taken almost entirely in the lab and the lab alone, but the talk and a little bit of suspense there and there, especially the ladder sense made it enjoyable nonetheless...
The last episode was a bottle episode - an episode that had a low budget to produce either because they're saving the money for an epic episode later on, or making up for an expensive episode that was aired before it.
The last episode wasn't a bottle episode lol, it was a development episode. There was so much great dialogue in it, not every episode needs to have tons of action and stuff going on. It was an excellent episode and it built up the excitement for the next episode really well.
as far as breaking bad goes, the episode was definitely filler. the first 25 minutes or so were kind of unnecessary -- the only real interesting content happened towards the end.
that said, the show is so good that even filler episodes are entertaining enough.
well it may simply be that we are conditioned by this show to expect non-traditional TV story arc and presentation. There's a certain amount of credit that the show has earned with regular viewers, which i guess is the hallmark fo a quality program
This episode is the greatest yet. New blood is being pumped into old characters. Skyler is unexpectedly joining the family business, this will bring an end to Walter's isolation and explore the business side of Skyler. Even more surprising is the development with Pinkman, who has found a reason to graduate himself from leeching off Walt to actually pursuing something worthwhile on his own, aka seeking revenge.
yeah finally jesse gets something interesting to do
instantly i was thinking of that time when he went with a gun to the home of some methheads? that was awesome, and i have a feeling that this time he will screw it even harder and make for even better scenes. or maybe its just because i am so easily entertained by powerful outwalking off scenes with a dark undertone to it...
Thought it was a great episode. One thing that I was left wondering about, however, was that if Walt is so suspicious of the place being bugged for audio, who's to say it's not bugged for video too? I'd imagine that if it were Jessie would already be dead, but it just didn't make sense to me.
I still haven't gotten around to watching it yet. Only seen the first 2-3eps but I really enjoyed it. Still working my way slowly through Sons of Anarchy S2. WTB S3 already
Such a great final scene. As soon as Walter left his house I knew what he was going to do. If you paid attention throughout the season, it's obvious that he feels incredible guilt about the murder of Jane. He also felt that he really owed Jesse big for killing his girlfriend. So I think he wanted to spare Jesse the trauma of being a murderer which he knows full well himself. His line about Jesse not being a murderer at the beginning of this episode showed he valued Jesse's innocence.
Holy shit, Walt is such a badass. Great episode overall with the final scene being absolutely amazing. This season understandably started out a bit slow, and has had some really slow episodes (not many bad episodes, though) but it's shaping up to be a great season.
Once again, I state that Walt is a complete and total badass.
Gosh such remorselessness there at the end. One hell of an episode ending. + Show Spoiler +
I really didn't imagine Walt to come ramming down with a car on those dealers. Then just bam, shooting one in the head. Such a beastly way to end the episode. I wonder what'll happen between Jesse and him, if Jesse will forgive him or not. Next week will tell ^^
A great season indeed so far. Exceptional episode :D
OMG I DID NOT see that coming, I wonder what the full measure will be now, go to war with the employer? It would appear to me that the full measure (ambush and execution of drug dealers, who are by the way employees of Gus) has already been taken, and yet the next episode is named "Full Measure" to this one's being "Half Measure".
On the other hand the home front almost didn't move at all, and Skyler doesn't seem to be the unawakened criminal associate I had hoped to see (she was reading "Money Laundering" on wikipedia FFS!)
i shat bricks. its one thing to protect your friend from gunmen, and mow people down, in a "self-defense" or "Defense of others" kind of way, but then executing that one motherfucker holy fuck shit.
I just dont understand how Walt can continue to associate himself with a trade that creates tragedy like this. just because hes a producer doesnt remove him of guilt
i shat bricks. its one thing to protect your friend from gunmen, and mow people down, in a "self-defense" or "Defense of others" kind of way, but then executing that one motherfucker holy fuck shit.
This didin't surprise me at all. I would have been more surprised if he hadn't shot the guy to be honest. Walt knows what it means to leave those guys alive to tell Gus what he did, so shooting him was a very rational and thought out decision. And since his rationality trumps all of his other character assets by far I didn't expect him to hesitate in the least bit.
i shat bricks. its one thing to protect your friend from gunmen, and mow people down, in a "self-defense" or "Defense of others" kind of way, but then executing that one motherfucker holy fuck shit.
This didin't surprise me at all. I would have been more surprised if he hadn't shot the guy to be honest. Walt knows what it means to leave those guys alive to tell Gus what he did, so shooting him was a very rational and thought out decision. And since his rationality trumps all of his other character assets by far I didn't expect him to hesitate in the least bit.
But he does know very well that this action will with absolute certainty fall back on Jesse, so shooting the guy for the reason of covering up the act does not seem as the motive to me. Or do you think both Walt and Jesse can deny having to do anything with this situation at all?
The monologue by Gus' oddjob to Walter was one of the best that the show has had. I was watching with someone who had never seen the show before, and he got captured in the show's atmosphere around that scene, just confirming that this show is the freaking best thing out there.
And yea seriously this episode was so well done. I'm definitely going to rewatch the series after the season is over because it is that fucking good
Hi. Lurker to the TL forums, but I've been watching this show since Episode 1. Loved it since the 1st 5 mins. Just wanted to share some thoughts on latestest episode.
i shat bricks. its one thing to protect your friend from gunmen, and mow people down, in a "self-defense" or "Defense of others" kind of way, but then executing that one motherfucker holy fuck shit.
This didin't surprise me at all. I would have been more surprised if he hadn't shot the guy to be honest. Walt knows what it means to leave those guys alive to tell Gus what he did, so shooting him was a very rational and thought out decision. And since his rationality trumps all of his other character assets by far I didn't expect him to hesitate in the least bit.
But he does know very well that this action will with absolute certainty fall back on Jesse, so shooting the guy for the reason of covering up the act does not seem as the motive to me. Or do you think both Walt and Jesse can deny having to do anything with this situation at all?
In my opinion, it's almost like Walt is declaring war on Gus and the cartel. In S2, he was "Heisenberg", and in this season, he's reduced himself to a lowly cook. Think back to that episode and scene where Jesse crunched some numbers at Walt. They make about $1 million a month, but at Gus's end, he'd be making 9x that amount. In my mind, I think he knows very well what he did and knows very well that the relationship with Gus is no longer copescetic(sp?). I could be dead wrong, but I feel like we're going to get a resurrgence of "Heisenberg" in S4 maybe?
You are wrong, because he can't risk his family. The whole thing will be how to save Jesse, keep his family and his boss happy. His boss stay happy as long as he cooks and the rest is just details. Don't understand why Gus is caring about 2 local dealers so much when he is national.
On June 07 2010 21:04 brain_ wrote: So I guess I should watch season 3? Honestly ep1 of S3 was so bad it put me off of the show. Plus S2's total non sequitur finale.
Breaking bad will do this to you, they like to throw really boring episodes in there just so when shit JUMPS OFF it catches you off-guard.
This show is becoming less and less credible.. for every episode past the one where his wife kicked him out, it is becoming more and more "meh.."
It's quite obvious they're aiming to make some sort of Scarface-for-TV. It'll end with him and his wife at the top of the whole drug-racket as some sort of druglord/kingpin family with a retarded son... lawl.
On June 08 2010 08:11 meathook wrote: This show is becoming less and less credible.. for every episode past the one where his wife kicked him out, it is becoming more and more "meh.."
It's quite obvious they're aiming to make some sort of Scarface-for-TV. It'll end with him and his wife at the top of the whole drug-racket as some sort of druglord/kingpin family with a retarded son... lawl.
for something to seem so obvious to you it makes me wonder if we are watching the same show.
if it does indeed end that way ill come back and admit i was wrong.
I'm really starting to lose respect for Walt. For how cold and calculating he was in the first season he sure is making bad decisions. I would have just asked the chicken man to get rid of him way back when Gale was still my lab assistant. (The only reason he got rid of gale was because jesse could rat him out so he cut him in... so dumb)
IMO chicken man is going to make him kill jesse next week.
i shat bricks. its one thing to protect your friend from gunmen, and mow people down, in a "self-defense" or "Defense of others" kind of way, but then executing that one motherfucker holy fuck shit.
This didin't surprise me at all. I would have been more surprised if he hadn't shot the guy to be honest. Walt knows what it means to leave those guys alive to tell Gus what he did, so shooting him was a very rational and thought out decision. And since his rationality trumps all of his other character assets by far I didn't expect him to hesitate in the least bit.
But he does know very well that this action will with absolute certainty fall back on Jesse, so shooting the guy for the reason of covering up the act does not seem as the motive to me. Or do you think both Walt and Jesse can deny having to do anything with this situation at all?
I assumed the whole point of shooting the guy was so that Jesse could take the blame. That's why he says "Run" at the end of the episode and not "Let's get the hell out of here!" It's Jesse's fault that they're in this mess now so even though he didn't kill them he can't really complain about being framed for it.
Because he is the boss, and someone is openly plotting to kill his employees. Remember last season when Jesse's guy got ripped off by those junkies with the baby? Walt flat out tells him to go get the money because once people know that you're weak and will let stuff slide then people start trying to pull more stuff and start gunning for your position. You really can't show mercy or compromise as the boss because people take that as weakness.
On June 08 2010 08:11 meathook wrote: This show is becoming less and less credible.. for every episode past the one where his wife kicked him out, it is becoming more and more "meh.."
It's quite obvious they're aiming to make some sort of Scarface-for-TV. It'll end with him and his wife at the top of the whole drug-racket as some sort of druglord/kingpin family with a retarded son... lawl.
i think the plot direction depends on viewer ratings. If there's another season then yeah, walt will take gus's job. If not enough viewers for the show then hank will catch him.
The only issue I have is: Why would Gus let everybody and there mother know who he is and where his secret meeting spot is? I mean Walt, ok. But Jesse and those street dealers .. Gus was way more cautious in the beginning. He's getting very vulnerable if he does business like this now. I don't think that's very believable! Apart from that, I love it.
I don't think I've actually chuckled good at BB since S1 until the jerking off. Then the end, Woah! what climax!
Gus shouldn't get too pissed off about the two low life assholes using a kid anyways, can always find others to take his place. Maybe that area will be Jesse's now? and Gale's back in the Lab with Walt?
On June 08 2010 22:03 Konni wrote: Gus was way more cautious in the beginning. He's getting very vulnerable if he does business like this now. I don't think that's very believable! Apart from that, I love it.
Yea, his decision making hasn't been the best. But too much details will ruin a show and all that. What a world if handshakes could solve issues. Should listen to his henchmen about trying to solve problems with half measures.
But yea, great ending and great episode. Can't wait til season 4.
On June 14 2010 05:26 Sotamursu wrote: Breaking Bad is definitely the best TV series running atm. Nothing comes even close.
By "running", do you mean currently airing, or currently in production? I'd say Dexter is on Breaking Bad's level.
Also, season 3 was freaking sweet! Can't wait to see the direction they take for next seasons arc :o
I'm sure he means production, but I disagree that Dexter is as good as Breaking Bad at this point. I *love* Dexter, but the last season didn't seem up to the earlier season's standards in my opinion.
Thoughts on the finale? I can't wait to see next season omgomgomg
That was intense. Is this really it for this season?
See, what I don't get is why Gus has gone so wild over two trash street-level dealers. I can understand his concern about Walt being somewhat of a loose cannon, and know that he was pissed about his "trusted associates" being run and gunned down, but what were they really worth compared to the brilliant chemist who has made it possible for him to practically monopolize the meth market across a few states? Gus was introduced as a reasonable businessman who was more concerned over profit than relationships, but it seems as if he has strayed from this character.
Walt even made it very easy for Gus. He voluntarily removed Jesse from the picture after the incident, yet Gus still insisted on hunting Jesse down and taking Walt out?
This is something I'm confused about. Otherwise, spectacular season finale.
Best television series since The Wire. Season Three of Breaking Bad will be right up there with Season 4 of The Wire. The pacing and drama is so fucking intense and hits you on an entirely different, but equally effective, visceral level.
Season 4 has the potential, at this rate, to top The Wire.
Gus IS a business man. He cared not one bit for those employees and he, despite his harping about rationality, is a family man and probably did not condone of the killing of that child.
That said, he made his point very clear to Walt -- It was his place to handle the situation, not Jesse or Walt's, and that they couldn't contact him, the boss in charge of this whole mess, signifies that they are, to him, just as bad as the dead gangsters. They act on their own accord, outside of his interests. Their value is then ONLY in what they provide, as they are obviously not loyal like The Fixer or The Watcher. For the gangsters, it was an admittedly replaceable drug slinging position. Walt, on the other hand, is trickier to replace. But if he could replace him, why not? Why not put in someone in charge of the lab who has less personal bonds and bad streaks?
If he could solidify Gale quickly as the lab head, then he could do away with someone who has already proven a difficulty, while remaining the Meth monopolizer. It may seem, from a viewer perspective, that Walt was completely willing and capable of being a then on pristine and dramaless chemist, but Gus doesn't truly know Walt's motivations or future issues, and all that aside, Gale is much easier to control. Gus likes control.
I guess they HAD to shake things up a bit. It would have quickly dissolved into something very boring to watch if they allowed Walt to settle too easily into his cooking position and make $1 million/month.
As for Gus, I very much agree that he certainly has strayed from his 1st appearance in S2 at Los Pollos. It's almost as if he's becoming more impulsive and less calculating. Anyone notice how Gus reverts to his Central American accent when he's pissed? :p
I also am very interested in Mike as a character. Before he was just some side character for support, but after his whole monologue and action in the finale, it seems he may be a mainstay in the coming season(s).
It was his place to handle the situation, not Jesse or Walt's, and that they couldn't contact him, the boss in charge of this whole mess, signifies that they are, to him, just as bad as the dead gangsters.
Here is where I disagree with you. What Walt and the gangsters did were two very different acts. Although Walt and Jesse acted on their own accord, Gus of all people should understand the rule of the street: an eye for an eye. His original plan for dealing with the problem of Jesse and the gangsters a couple of episodes back was logical. Gus never liked or trusted Jesse. Jesse never liked or trusted Gus. Gus would clearly choose his trusted associates over Jesse, but Walt is a different story. Gus has spoken on multiple occasions of his deep respect for Walt, and it seems a little bit risky to try and replace his valuable chemist.
This is what bothered me about the season finale. The transition from respect to desire to kill was too sudden. The most sensible explanation is that, as you said, Gale would be easier to control than Walt who was always somewhat unpredictable. However, to a true businessman, this is unnecessary, and was certainly rushed. Gus had control over the situation entirely, and could have waited things out.
This could be another side of Gus that had not been introduced. It could be that, as you said, Gus has something for power--it would certainly make sense. I'm not saying that this is a plot hole or anything like that, but that it requires some further explanation.
It was his place to handle the situation, not Jesse or Walt's, and that they couldn't contact him, the boss in charge of this whole mess, signifies that they are, to him, just as bad as the dead gangsters.
Here is where I disagree with you. What Walt and the gangsters did were two very different acts. Although Walt and Jesse acted on their own accord, Gus of all people should understand the rule of the street: an eye for an eye. His original plan for dealing with the problem of Jesse and the gangsters a couple of episodes back was logical. Gus never liked or trusted Jesse. Jesse never liked or trusted Gus. Gus would clearly choose his trusted associates over Jesse, but Walt is a different story. Gus has spoken on multiple occasions of his deep respect for Walt, and it seems a little bit risky to try and replace his valuable chemist.
This is what bothered me about the season finale. The transition from respect to desire to kill was too sudden. The most sensible explanation is that, as you said, Gale would be easier to control than Walt who was always somewhat unpredictable. However, to a true businessman, this is unnecessary, and was certainly rushed. Gus had control over the situation entirely, and could have waited things out.
This could be another side of Gus that had not been introduced. It could be that, as you said, Gus has something for power--it would certainly make sense. I'm not saying that this is a plot hole or anything like that, but that it requires some further explanation.
What Walt and the gangsters did were two very different acts, and without a doubt the worse of the 2 is what Walt did. It just doesn't look as bad because the show is in Walt's perspective. If you're a drug kingpin and you produce a product that literally kills people and creates a black market that breeds violence, then you don't really care about one innocent kid. Allowing someone to get away with murdering two of your employees is most certainly not rational. The way Gus handled this entire situation is exactly from the point of a businessman. He did wait it out. He waited until Gale said he was ready to take over. Why would he wait beyond that? He still probably respects Walt. It's just in his interest to rid himself of Walt, which is exactly along the lines of his cold and calculating character.
It was his place to handle the situation, not Jesse or Walt's, and that they couldn't contact him, the boss in charge of this whole mess, signifies that they are, to him, just as bad as the dead gangsters.
Here is where I disagree with you. What Walt and the gangsters did were two very different acts. Although Walt and Jesse acted on their own accord, Gus of all people should understand the rule of the street: an eye for an eye. His original plan for dealing with the problem of Jesse and the gangsters a couple of episodes back was logical. Gus never liked or trusted Jesse. Jesse never liked or trusted Gus. Gus would clearly choose his trusted associates over Jesse, but Walt is a different story. Gus has spoken on multiple occasions of his deep respect for Walt, and it seems a little bit risky to try and replace his valuable chemist.
This is what bothered me about the season finale. The transition from respect to desire to kill was too sudden. The most sensible explanation is that, as you said, Gale would be easier to control than Walt who was always somewhat unpredictable. However, to a true businessman, this is unnecessary, and was certainly rushed. Gus had control over the situation entirely, and could have waited things out.
This could be another side of Gus that had not been introduced. It could be that, as you said, Gus has something for power--it would certainly make sense. I'm not saying that this is a plot hole or anything like that, but that it requires some further explanation.
What Walt and the gangsters did were two very different acts, and without a doubt the worse of the 2 is what Walt did. It just doesn't look as bad because the show is in Walt's perspective. If you're a drug kingpin and you produce a product that literally kills people and creates a black market that breeds violence, then you don't really care about one innocent kid. Allowing someone to get away with murdering two of your employees is most certainly not rational. The way Gus handled this entire situation is exactly from the point of a businessman. He did wait it out. He waited until Gale said he was ready to take over. Why would he wait beyond that? He still probably respects Walt. It's just in his interest to rid himself of Walt, which is exactly along the lines of his cold and calculating character.
This sounds too much like simple gangster logic. Yes, they were Gus's employees. Yes, Walt needs to realize that killing his street level dealers is unacceptable. However, it was pretty clear that he already knew that, and with the otherwise clean track record between him and Gus, there was no reason for their business relationship to end. You see, a man like Gus sees the big picture, and realizes that his two street level dealers are ultimately insignificant, while Walt is impossible to completely replace (even Gale expressed his concern over the attempt to). So we have a guy who, to protect a person he obviously cares very deeply about, ended up killing some gangsters. Bad? Yes. Bad enough to justify the end of an extremely profitable relationship? I say no.
There are some other variables though:
(1) Gus knows what happened between Walt and Tuco. (2) Walt is known to be somewhat of a loose cannon. (3) Gus does not trust anybody completely.
He is supposed to be a cautious man, but plotting to kill a man as smart as Walt with such haste is not a cautious act.
It was his place to handle the situation, not Jesse or Walt's, and that they couldn't contact him, the boss in charge of this whole mess, signifies that they are, to him, just as bad as the dead gangsters.
Here is where I disagree with you. What Walt and the gangsters did were two very different acts. Although Walt and Jesse acted on their own accord, Gus of all people should understand the rule of the street: an eye for an eye. His original plan for dealing with the problem of Jesse and the gangsters a couple of episodes back was logical. Gus never liked or trusted Jesse. Jesse never liked or trusted Gus. Gus would clearly choose his trusted associates over Jesse, but Walt is a different story. Gus has spoken on multiple occasions of his deep respect for Walt, and it seems a little bit risky to try and replace his valuable chemist.
This is what bothered me about the season finale. The transition from respect to desire to kill was too sudden. The most sensible explanation is that, as you said, Gale would be easier to control than Walt who was always somewhat unpredictable. However, to a true businessman, this is unnecessary, and was certainly rushed. Gus had control over the situation entirely, and could have waited things out.
This could be another side of Gus that had not been introduced. It could be that, as you said, Gus has something for power--it would certainly make sense. I'm not saying that this is a plot hole or anything like that, but that it requires some further explanation.
What Walt and the gangsters did were two very different acts, and without a doubt the worse of the 2 is what Walt did. It just doesn't look as bad because the show is in Walt's perspective. If you're a drug kingpin and you produce a product that literally kills people and creates a black market that breeds violence, then you don't really care about one innocent kid. Allowing someone to get away with murdering two of your employees is most certainly not rational. The way Gus handled this entire situation is exactly from the point of a businessman. He did wait it out. He waited until Gale said he was ready to take over. Why would he wait beyond that? He still probably respects Walt. It's just in his interest to rid himself of Walt, which is exactly along the lines of his cold and calculating character.
This sounds too much like simple gangster logic. Yes, they were Gus's employees. Yes, Walt needs to realize that killing his street level dealers is unacceptable. However, it was pretty clear that he already knew that, and with the otherwise clean track record between him and Gus, there was no reason for their business relationship to end. You see, a man like Gus sees the big picture, and realizes that his two street level dealers are ultimately insignificant, while Walt is impossible to completely replace (even Gale expressed his concern over the attempt to). So we have a guy who, to protect a person he obviously cares very deeply about, ended up killing some gangsters. Bad? Yes. Bad enough to justify the end of an extremely profitable relationship? I say no.
There are some other variables though:
(1) Gus knows what happened between Walt and Tuco. (2) Walt is known to be somewhat of a loose cannon. (3) Gus does not trust anybody completely.
He is supposed to be a cautious man, but plotting to kill a man as smart as Walt with such haste is not a cautious act.
4) Walt has cancer and needs to be replaced soon anyways. 5) Gus needs to maintain an image that he can't be messed with. Gus has many employees and he needs to maintain an example that his employees can't go against his word without SEVERE consequences. Gus sees the big picture, which means he intends to be in this business long after Walt dies and he doesn't need the word on the street to be that he can be f'd with.
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that Walt is steadily progressing into being evil? The first person he killed it seemed as if he felt regret, and he couldn't handle taking care of the body. The next people he kills are done is completely gruesome ways. He runs them over and then shoots one of them point blank in the face...
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that Walt is steadily progressing into being evil? The first person he killed it seemed as if he felt regret, and he couldn't handle taking care of the body. The next people he kills are done is completely gruesome ways. He runs them over and then shoots one of them point blank in the face...
Yes I think that is the intention of the show. I'm kind of annoyed because I predicted that Walt would murder Gale after the very first episode of the season and I could have sworn I posted that here but I can't find the post so now I can't brag about it. It's only natural to be capable of worse and worse things because you become increasingly desensitized, just like how people that go into prison can become hardened criminals that shank people in the neck. Right now he is killing an "innocent" person to save his life. I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the road there is the classic situation where he is pulled over by the police and he has to decide between killing the cop or going to jail because he has incriminating evidence in his car.
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that Walt is steadily progressing into being evil? The first person he killed it seemed as if he felt regret, and he couldn't handle taking care of the body. The next people he kills are done is completely gruesome ways. He runs them over and then shoots one of them point blank in the face...
I think it is pretty obvious why Gus wanted Walt out. First of all respect, but more importantly Walt and Jesse are a huge liability. Gus knows that Walt has killed people before and he is not a professional killer or stuff, so the chances of Walt getting busted sooner or later are quite high and in that event his whole business is in danger if Walt decides to talk to the DEA. I'd rather produce a product of MAYBE slightly lesser quality but with a lot less risks involved(Gale)
wtf is this, this weekend breaking bad and stargate universe both ended with a cliffhanger. Now open ended movies are great but if i watch so many hours of a season I wanna be satisfied with a nice ending, otherwise i feel like they just should have made the season have more episodes.
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that Walt is steadily progressing into being evil? The first person he killed it seemed as if he felt regret, and he couldn't handle taking care of the body. The next people he kills are done is completely gruesome ways. He runs them over and then shoots one of them point blank in the face...
On June 15 2010 04:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: wtf is this, this weekend breaking bad and stargate universe both ended with a cliffhanger. Now open ended movies are great but if i watch so many hours of a season I wanna be satisfied with a nice ending, otherwise i feel like they just should have made the season have more episodes.
i disagree.. i think that cliffhanger endings are the best, so that the writers have extra time to perfect what's going to happen. plus the fans are left on the edge of their seat until next season~
On June 15 2010 04:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: wtf is this, this weekend breaking bad and stargate universe both ended with a cliffhanger. Now open ended movies are great but if i watch so many hours of a season I wanna be satisfied with a nice ending, otherwise i feel like they just should have made the season have more episodes.
i disagree.. i think that cliffhanger endings are the best, so that the writers have extra time to perfect what's going to happen. plus the fans are left on the edge of their seat until next season~
I fucking hate how they ended this season. It really pisses me off. I found this season to be not as good as the second season, and just as it was starting to get really good, they end it without resolving the big conflict from the season. I hate that I have to wait until next March to find out what happens. I am so bothered by this. It really turns me off from this show, and it was my second favourite show before season 3(Dexter is my favourite). In my opinion cliffhangers are such a weak method for writers to use to keep an audience interested. If you write a good season, people will tune in next season. I dont mind story lines continuing from season to season, but there should be a big conclusion at the end of a season. Season 3 has no conclusion. That seems like bad writing to me.
On June 15 2010 04:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: wtf is this, this weekend breaking bad and stargate universe both ended with a cliffhanger. Now open ended movies are great but if i watch so many hours of a season I wanna be satisfied with a nice ending, otherwise i feel like they just should have made the season have more episodes.
i disagree.. i think that cliffhanger endings are the best, so that the writers have extra time to perfect what's going to happen. plus the fans are left on the edge of their seat until next season~
I fucking hate how they ended this season. It really pisses me off. I found this season to be not as good as the second season, and just as it was starting to get really good, they end it without resolving the big conflict from the season. I hate that I have to wait until next March to find out what happens. I am so bothered by this. It really turns me off from this show, and it was my second favourite show before season 3(Dexter is my favourite). In my opinion cliffhangers are such a weak method for writers to use to keep an audience interested. If you write a good season, people will tune in next season. I dont mind story lines continuing from season to season, but there should be a big conclusion at the end of a season. Season 3 has no conclusion. That seems like bad writing to me.
This season just pissed me off because walter cares way too much about jesse. If I was him I woulda just gotten rid of jesse. That wouldn't make for good television though.
On June 15 2010 04:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: wtf is this, this weekend breaking bad and stargate universe both ended with a cliffhanger. Now open ended movies are great but if i watch so many hours of a season I wanna be satisfied with a nice ending, otherwise i feel like they just should have made the season have more episodes.
i disagree.. i think that cliffhanger endings are the best, so that the writers have extra time to perfect what's going to happen. plus the fans are left on the edge of their seat until next season~
I fucking hate how they ended this season. It really pisses me off. I found this season to be not as good as the second season, and just as it was starting to get really good, they end it without resolving the big conflict from the season. I hate that I have to wait until next March to find out what happens. I am so bothered by this. It really turns me off from this show, and it was my second favourite show before season 3(Dexter is my favourite). In my opinion cliffhangers are such a weak method for writers to use to keep an audience interested. If you write a good season, people will tune in next season. I dont mind story lines continuing from season to season, but there should be a big conclusion at the end of a season. Season 3 has no conclusion. That seems like bad writing to me.
This season just pissed me off because walter cares way too much about jesse. If I was him I woulda just gotten rid of jesse. That wouldn't make for good television though.
What are you guys talking about, Jesse is the man. + Show Spoiler +
...BITCH
Walt knows the J will act on his morals, but I guess he was really desperate to do anything rather then kill an innocent man. Jesse felt compelled from guilt of walter saving his life, that he went to his absolute peak of badness, he's not going to become some serial killer, in fact I think he's going to go through a familiar jesse recovery stage, where hes actually guilty of someone he killed. I'm assuming between Walt, Jesse, Gus, Mike, Hal and Skyler, they plan on covering everything in the moral spectrum. I mean that's what the show is about. Breaking bad.
Complaining about writing when it's driving the whole gist of the show to where it's supposed to go sounds like a little blissful ignorance.
I've been loving the show since it came out. I'm not too sure on season 3 so far I think they should have ended the show after season two, since I feel that some of the flare of the show is gone and its just going to turn into a drawn out show milking it until they kill it.
I just finished the first season. Probably the best show I ever saw even beating Dexter and other gems like the first season of Heroes that I really liked.
I got the idea to start watching from seeing this thread bumped so hopefully someone else catches on now
Writeup could've been better, but still enjoyed it and am looking forward to next season. I'm not going to cry at how long I have to wait for because there are plenty of other shows to catch up on until then 8]
It is obvious it will be real serious between Walt and Gus.
Who knows if Jesse actually did it or not. All I know is I love how they ended that. Made me really feel like the characters were progressing through the story in a very nice fashion. That Jesse and Walt aren't just co-cookers anymore, that they've got a bond after all the crap they've had to go through. Can't wait for season 4 :D
at first i thought so too but looking at it closely, I realized it's just the camera moving not his arm. his arm does not move, he shot him through the head
On June 15 2010 04:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: wtf is this, this weekend breaking bad and stargate universe both ended with a cliffhanger. Now open ended movies are great but if i watch so many hours of a season I wanna be satisfied with a nice ending, otherwise i feel like they just should have made the season have more episodes.
i disagree.. i think that cliffhanger endings are the best, so that the writers have extra time to perfect what's going to happen. plus the fans are left on the edge of their seat until next season~
I fucking hate how they ended this season. It really pisses me off. I found this season to be not as good as the second season, and just as it was starting to get really good, they end it without resolving the big conflict from the season. I hate that I have to wait until next March to find out what happens. I am so bothered by this. It really turns me off from this show, and it was my second favourite show before season 3(Dexter is my favourite). In my opinion cliffhangers are such a weak method for writers to use to keep an audience interested. If you write a good season, people will tune in next season. I dont mind story lines continuing from season to season, but there should be a big conclusion at the end of a season. Season 3 has no conclusion. That seems like bad writing to me.
Seams to me like you enjoyed it alot and your just pissed off that it ended on such an epic cliff hanger
Idk why but ive been putting off watchign the last three episodes for a while now, just watched them then fucking awesome
I got Season 1-3 for Christmas, just watched the pilot and holy shit this show is really good. If this is just the pilot I can't wait to watch the rest of the show.
Great acting by the main character (Don't want to call him the dad from Malcom in the Middle)
Wow ... I just got caught up to season 3 and I have to say this show is really really good. I'd say it's even better than Weeds (though Weeds is more of a comedy show and Breaking Bad more of a drama). All the seasons are pretty darn solid (I can't say the same to Weeds). What impresses me the most is the quality of the acting. It's just top notch.
On December 31 2010 13:54 GiantEnemyCrab wrote: idk how any1 cant not like dexter that show is pure art
Dexter is far from "art". I hate Dexter's poor script, average supporting cast, lack of character development, terrible production quality, and decline since Season 2.
Dexter isn't in the same league as Breaking Bad and The Wire.
The only good things about Dexter are seasons 1,2; the soundtrack; intro sequence; and Michael Hall's acting.
Anyone has news when the season 4 is going to start? Probably around the incoming summer I guess. So pumped to see what happens next, especially with Jesse :D
Anyone has news when the season 4 is going to start? Probably around the incoming summer I guess. So pumped to see what happens next, especially with Jesse :D
I thought they said June or something on AMC after the last season ended. According to their site, just sometime this summer. Apparently they'll be releasing 4 mini-episodes before then to help bridge the gap between the seasons though.
so pumped for this coming season, but i gotta think itll be the last or second to last. the story already has enough tension as it is, dont know how much more it can handle
Breaking Bad is one of the best shows I've ever seen, I can't wait for the next season to start. Last thing I heard is that they started shooting the new season in January.
Agreed Breaking bad is my all time favourite series. I cant wait for the next season. I dont know why this show isnt more popular. I do feel though that the writers took the story in a wild direction at the end of season 3.
Breaking Bad definately has the potencial to become a "classic" like sopranos or the wire...
All it takes is 1-2 more seasons with the same quality as the first three.
The acting is tremendous..the writing is off the hook, but whats getting me the most is the kind of suspense that i got when watching certain moments of the show... Incredible...
Also i can never watch malcolm in the middle again :D
I've been suffering from withdrawal ever since last season ended I'll probably have a marathon session of seasons 1-3 with some of my friends right before season 4 starts. I absolutely fucking love this show, it's pretty much the only TV I watch
On April 17 2011 03:01 switchdev wrote: Breaking Bad is one of the best shows I've ever seen, I can't wait for the next season to start. Last thing I heard is that they started shooting the new season in January.
That was a good scene. Some time in season 2 when Skyler is having her baby shower and Walt gives that speech in front of the camera knowing that he may die before ever meeting his daughter, that scene was really powerful. The acting and script were both amazing.
I just polished off the 3 seasons in under a week.
Best series ever.
Having watched shows like the Wire, Dexter, Walking Dead, Rubicon, etc... I am familiar with alot of the top quality shows.
AMC has outdone them all. Breaking bad is purely ingenius. The slow and almost subtle growth of characters over the course of the seasons are brilliant. The story progress' from start to end of season 3 makes alot of sense considering the level of experience in crime both Walter and Jesse had going into their partnership. Each episode leaves you wanting to keep watching, and the last two episodes of season 3 are two of the most well defining moments of writing genius. The entire season was leading to this point. Demonstrating the lengths of what Walter will do for his family. It also shows the level of regard he holds for jesse as the two are basically as close to family now.
I could keep ranting but as I just finished the show I am still a little on edge. Anyone who hasn't seen this show and is looking for a show that rivals if not utterly defeats the Wire in terms of excellence, watch this.
I agree. I was hooked from the first episode when it premiered and I think it's only gotten better and better over time.
Bryan Cranston gets a lot of credit for his work on this show but in my opinion Aaron Paul is just as awesome if not better.
The last couple of episodes on season 3 is just Breaking Bad New Grounds. The low point being the episode with the fly, but I think they just did that one to challenge themselves while making the other episodes look even better.
On April 18 2011 14:07 Gnax wrote: Bryan Cranston gets a lot of credit for his work on this show but in my opinion Aaron Paul is just as awesome if not better.
I thought Aaron Paul was atrocious in the first season. He got a lot better in season two and by season three was worthy of acting next to Bryan Cranston. He's night and day better now than he was back in season one.
I am all caught up on this show and i thought it was great. watched it during the last season. I live in ABQ so here is a picture of one of the places in BB
I heard something about how they were going to try to release mini episodes on their site to help tide fans over (read it from a pretty official source but I forgot what...)
On April 18 2011 14:07 Gnax wrote: I agree. I was hooked from the first episode when it premiered and I think it's only gotten better and better over time.
Bryan Cranston gets a lot of credit for his work on this show but in my opinion Aaron Paul is just as awesome if not better.
The last couple of episodes on season 3 is just Breaking Bad New Grounds. The low point being the episode with the fly, but I think they just did that one to challenge themselves while making the other episodes look even better.
"The Fly" was my favorite episode of season 3. Its directed by rian johnson, the film director who did Brick and The Brothers Bloom. It was a containment episode which most TV shows do where they will make an episode take place in only one location to save alot on the budget.
I love watching these more original style programs like Breaking Bad, Dexter, Sons of Anarchy over the overly reproduced family comedies or CSI:Enter City Name Here... And HBO and Starz are beginning to release some great original mini-series also. Gotta wonder whats going on in the heads of the execs at ABC/CBS/NBC/ETC networks.. did they all eat stupid pills and forget how to do their jobs and tell good programming from bad? At least NBC saved face this year and re-cancelled that wonder woman meets Ally Mcbeal production. What were you thinking! Gawd!
Bryan Cranston recently in an interview said that one of the shows characters will die within the first 10 minutes of the season four premiere.
Now who could that be? :O
SPECULATION TIME HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Gus? - Considering he's the head of the "want walt dead"-crew, it could be likely, though i think he is a great character and it would be sad to see him leave THAT early on (that, at one point, he has to go is relatively clear).
Saul? - Maybe. I read the actor has another series he signed for (not that you cant do both, considering saul isnt thaaaaat huge of a role), still, saul is awesome and it would be a sad day to see him leave the show
Skylar/Walt jr ? I dont know...its the dexter syndrom. At one point, if the show wants to be consequent - Walt has to lose someone important to him, and wow, what a season start would that be
Jesse? Highly unlikely, though the character initially wasnt created to be around for long by vince giligan, hes become a fan-favourite, won awards and is without a doubt the 2nd most important character in the show...cant see that happen
at last - Hank/Marie ? God i hope not hank still i can see why that could be a possible way, as death of one of them would have giant consequences (Hank - walts best friend - though that would destroy the whole "keep hank from discovering walts secret-story // marie on the other hand - would be a huge blow to skylar and maybe even open up a way for walt back in her life, due to her losing her sister, beeing hurt, needing someone to get over that tragedy etc, plus, hank is kind of beeing built up as a major support actor (with the whole el paso storyline etc.pp) and this would for sure intensify everything (considering that either death in the show (of all the aforementioned) would be connected to walt in some way)
I just recently started watching this series. I finished the first season yesterday and I have to say, it's amazing so far. The story arc, the writing, and delivery by the actors has me wanting more. I haven't even finished watching Season 2 or 3 and I'm already dying for Season 4.
I haven't read this thread yet and I plan to do so once I finish watching season three.
On June 05 2011 18:41 Mattes wrote: Bryan Cranston recently in an interview said that one of the shows characters will die within the first 10 minutes of the season four premiere.
Now who could that be? :O
SPECULATION TIME HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Gus? - Considering he's the head of the "want walt dead"-crew, it could be likely, though i think he is a great character and it would be sad to see him leave THAT early on (that, at one point, he has to go is relatively clear).
Saul? - Maybe. I read the actor has another series he signed for (not that you cant do both, considering saul isnt thaaaaat huge of a role), still, saul is awesome and it would be a sad day to see him leave the show
Skylar/Walt jr ? I dont know...its the dexter syndrom. At one point, if the show wants to be consequent - Walt has to lose someone important to him, and wow, what a season start would that be
Jesse? Highly unlikely, though the character initially wasnt created to be around for long by vince giligan, hes become a fan-favourite, won awards and is without a doubt the 2nd most important character in the show...cant see that happen
at last - Hank/Marie ? God i hope not hank still i can see why that could be a possible way, as death of one of them would have giant consequences (Hank - walts best friend - though that would destroy the whole "keep hank from discovering walts secret-story // marie on the other hand - would be a huge blow to skylar and maybe even open up a way for walt back in her life, due to her losing her sister, beeing hurt, needing someone to get over that tragedy etc, plus, hank is kind of beeing built up as a major support actor (with the whole el paso storyline etc.pp) and this would for sure intensify everything (considering that either death in the show (of all the aforementioned) would be connected to walt in some way)
Damn it...i cant wait for july, 17th :/
I'd almost say Jesse is the most important character on the show, I can't even imagine the show without him on it. All of my favourite scenes of the show feature Jesse. Any form of humour in the show is connected to Jesse and I've also found the drama scenes played by him stronger than any other actor on the cast. The whole Jane-story was nothing short of amazing.
Looking at how season 3 ended (cliffhanger much please ) it's pretty safe to assume that it's Gale the chemist who's gonna do the dieing.
I am so so so hyped for this shows return. It'll soothe the pain of Mad Men's next season being pushed a year further away.
On June 05 2011 18:41 Mattes wrote: Bryan Cranston recently in an interview said that one of the shows characters will die within the first 10 minutes of the season four premiere.
Now who could that be? :O
SPECULATION TIME HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Gus? - Considering he's the head of the "want walt dead"-crew, it could be likely, though i think he is a great character and it would be sad to see him leave THAT early on (that, at one point, he has to go is relatively clear).
Saul? - Maybe. I read the actor has another series he signed for (not that you cant do both, considering saul isnt thaaaaat huge of a role), still, saul is awesome and it would be a sad day to see him leave the show
Skylar/Walt jr ? I dont know...its the dexter syndrom. At one point, if the show wants to be consequent - Walt has to lose someone important to him, and wow, what a season start would that be
Jesse? Highly unlikely, though the character initially wasnt created to be around for long by vince giligan, hes become a fan-favourite, won awards and is without a doubt the 2nd most important character in the show...cant see that happen
at last - Hank/Marie ? God i hope not hank still i can see why that could be a possible way, as death of one of them would have giant consequences (Hank - walts best friend - though that would destroy the whole "keep hank from discovering walts secret-story // marie on the other hand - would be a huge blow to skylar and maybe even open up a way for walt back in her life, due to her losing her sister, beeing hurt, needing someone to get over that tragedy etc, plus, hank is kind of beeing built up as a major support actor (with the whole el paso storyline etc.pp) and this would for sure intensify everything (considering that either death in the show (of all the aforementioned) would be connected to walt in some way)
I personally stopped watching this show after season 2 I wasn't to happy with what they were doing in season 3, I watched about 1/2 of season 3 and just stopped watching all together.
I will say though that I think season 1 and 2 are the possibly best seasons of any show I've ever watched.
On June 07 2011 01:19 DrBoo wrote: I personally stopped watching this show after season 2 I wasn't to happy with what they were doing in season 3, I watched about 1/2 of season 3 and just stopped watching all together.
I will say though that I think season 1 and 2 are the possibly best seasons of any show I've ever watched.
You're definitely in the minority but as I think about it, I can totally see where you are coming from. Let me just say, I adore this show - it's the best television show since Six Feet Under (or maybe the Wire.) But the tone of the show has totally changed. It has always been ridiculously dark but the early comedic tone of the show has been ratcheted down, replace by an overwhelming source of oppressive paranoia and drama.
I'd still implore you to stick with the show, even if you don't love season 3, it's a hell of a lot better than most other shows on television.
I hope they kill off Walt Jr. He doesn't contribute to the show anymore and it would take Walt to the point of no return. The theme of the show has been Walt's spiral further down the rabbit hole. Walt has to be driven to be bad. First it was his looming death that got him started. Then he got a rush from the Heisenberg character since he had been a weakling his entire life. Then his wife leaving him caused him to work for Gus. The less Walt has to live for, the crazier the show will get.
I managed to see the first 2 episodes of this upcoming season, no spoilers, just that it absolutely won't dissapoint... only shitty thing is now i have to wait almost 2 months to see a new episode
Just watched the first 3 seasons. Have to say that seasons 1 and 2 were hit and miss: some absolutely amazing episodes scattered throughout an overall mediocre show, but season 3 was absolutely mindblowing. I hope season 4 continues the awesome badassery of season 3
On July 14 2011 16:42 kaisen wrote: The first two seasons of Dexter were great, the show started to fall apart after season 3.
Aight, sweet, hey can you tell me if there`s ever a point while Dexter is being pursued my another detective or something, maybe his sister? Plots like that make for a really interesting series.
Words can not adequately describe how excited I am for the return of this show. Can't remember the last time I waited in such anticipation for any TV show to return.
This is one of those rare shows that gets better every season. Bryan Cranston is a great actor and deserves alot of credit for his performance of a character suffering from a terminal illness and the conflict of emotions you would get with such an illness.
The one where they spent a whole episode chasing a fly.
I keep getting a vibe like it's trying to have some humor included but it just falls flat. Some of the acting or characters are just really bad, like Marie. God that one annoys me. Maybe I'm just spoiled by having watched The Wire, The Shield and Game of Thrones as the three shows prior to this.
Jesse will point the gun away from Gale's face at the last second. Jesse will end up kidnapping Gale and Walter will escape from Gus's custody somehow. Jesse and Walt will end up teaming up to kill Gus, but that will probably not happen until at least mid-season. I think the first several episodes will center around a power struggle between the two entities.
Also I think it's about time Jesse and Walter Jr. meet.
Jesse will point the gun away from Gale's face at the last second. Jesse will end up kidnapping Gale and Walter will escape from Gus's custody somehow. Jesse and Walt will end up teaming up to kill Gus, but that will probably not happen until at least mid-season. I think the first several episodes will center around a power struggle between the two entities.
Also I think it's about time Jesse and Walter Jr. meet.
The one where they spent a whole episode chasing a fly.
I keep getting a vibe like it's trying to have some humor included but it just falls flat. Some of the acting or characters are just really bad, like Marie. God that one annoys me. Maybe I'm just spoiled by having watched The Wire, The Shield and Game of Thrones as the three shows prior to this.
or maybe this shows just not for you? i really think the plot and character development on this show is as good as they come. mind you being from denmark the killing (danish version) should have been on that list too
Jesse will point the gun away from Gale's face at the last second. Jesse will end up kidnapping Gale and Walter will escape from Gus's custody somehow. Jesse and Walt will end up teaming up to kill Gus, but that will probably not happen until at least mid-season. I think the first several episodes will center around a power struggle between the two entities.
Also I think it's about time Jesse and Walter Jr. meet.
the key word being 'shot' - for there to have been blood on the flloor might have been enough to create the illusion gale was dead. i don't think jessy had it in him tbh
The one where they spent a whole episode chasing a fly.
I keep getting a vibe like it's trying to have some humor included but it just falls flat. Some of the acting or characters are just really bad, like Marie. God that one annoys me. Maybe I'm just spoiled by having watched The Wire, The Shield and Game of Thrones as the three shows prior to this.
That episode was so fucking good.
Breaking Bad's writing is clearly not for you, if you want every episode to be an overwritten action-fest. The lulls in excitement bring the tension to near unbearable levels, soooo good.
The one where they spent a whole episode chasing a fly.
I keep getting a vibe like it's trying to have some humor included but it just falls flat. Some of the acting or characters are just really bad, like Marie. God that one annoys me. Maybe I'm just spoiled by having watched The Wire, The Shield and Game of Thrones as the three shows prior to this.
or maybe this shows just not for you? i really think the plot and character development on this show is as good as they come. mind you being from denmark the killing (danish version) should have been on that list too
Wasn't a big fan of "The Killing". There's just something about danish drama that rubs me the wrong way, like they're trying too hard. Most of the character development of "Breaking Bad" is fine, but some of the connections between characters is a bit too interconnected (so to speak). Like I'm watching "Lost" or "Prison Break" or something.
Some of the arguments between Walt and Jesse seem really over-the-top as well, stuff that people would in reality be able to easily let go of by keeping their eyes on the prize.
Breaking Bad's writing is clearly not for you, if you want every episode to be an overwritten action-fest. The lulls in excitement bring the tension to near unbearable levels, soooo good.
It's not about the action, it just seemed like a filler episode, besides from the little speech at the end maybe. But you're probably right that the writing isn't for me.
Chuck Klosterman on why Breaking Bad is the best television show of the decade. Yes, even better than The Wire. I don't agree with him, I think The Wire, Mad Men and Six Feet Under remain the gold standard for television - but he is eloquent and correct about somethings. For instance, watching season 4 of The Wire does not qualify you to argue about the crumbling institution of the American urban education system...
On July 16 2011 06:47 ToxNub wrote: breaking bad is the best show ever and if you dont like it ima throw chunks of explosive shit at you
I never said I didn't like it, just that it's not the greatest show ever made and that I think some of the writing is way too exaggerated and unrealistic.
On July 16 2011 06:47 ToxNub wrote: breaking bad is the best show ever and if you dont like it ima throw chunks of explosive shit at you
I never said it was bad, just that it's not the greatest show ever made and that I think some of the writing is way too exaggerated and unrealistic.
But you think that The Shield or Game of Thrones is written more "realistically?" These characters are in impossible situations, realism becomes relative. It's an odd gripe. I'd like a specific example.
The one where they spent a whole episode chasing a fly.
I keep getting a vibe like it's trying to have some humor included but it just falls flat. Some of the acting or characters are just really bad, like Marie. God that one annoys me. Maybe I'm just spoiled by having watched The Wire, The Shield and Game of Thrones as the three shows prior to this.
im pretty sure the point of that was to show that walter was pretty much losing his shit..
On July 16 2011 06:46 slyboogie wrote: Chuck Klosterman on why Breaking Bad is the best television show of the decade. Yes, even better than The Wire. I don't agree with him, I think The Wire, Mad Men and Six Feet Under remain the gold standard for television - but he is eloquent and correct about somethings. For instance, watching season 4 of The Wire does not qualify you to argue about the crumbling institution of the American urban education system...
so what's with this dude and not even acknowledging game of thrones? (imo the best show not only of the decade but ever, at least over this first season)
On July 16 2011 06:47 ToxNub wrote: breaking bad is the best show ever and if you dont like it ima throw chunks of explosive shit at you
I never said it was bad, just that it's not the greatest show ever made and that I think some of the writing is way too exaggerated and unrealistic.
But you think that The Shield or Game of Thrones is written more "realistically?" These characters are in impossible situations, realism becomes relative. It's an odd gripe. I'd like a specific example.
Game of Thrones being in a fantasy setting kinda makes it a bad example for realism
The one where they spent a whole episode chasing a fly.
I keep getting a vibe like it's trying to have some humor included but it just falls flat. Some of the acting or characters are just really bad, like Marie. God that one annoys me. Maybe I'm just spoiled by having watched The Wire, The Shield and Game of Thrones as the three shows prior to this.
im pretty sure the point of that was to show that walter was pretty much losing his shit..
I disagree. It's Walter trying to control the pieces of his life that he can. In a world of Tuco's and Gus's and the Cousins and the DEA, Walter is a man struggling to command what he can. He can command the laboratory - except for a fly.
On July 16 2011 06:47 ToxNub wrote: breaking bad is the best show ever and if you dont like it ima throw chunks of explosive shit at you
I never said it was bad, just that it's not the greatest show ever made and that I think some of the writing is way too exaggerated and unrealistic.
But you think that The Shield or Game of Thrones is written more "realistically?" These characters are in impossible situations, realism becomes relative. It's an odd gripe. I'd like a specific example.
Hmm, like Tuco just randomly beating a guy to death, or Jesse not realising that pouring the rest of their water supply into their last source of electricity, while being stranded in the desert, would be a bad idea. Like situations seem to always end in the most extreme way possible.
On July 16 2011 06:47 ToxNub wrote: breaking bad is the best show ever and if you dont like it ima throw chunks of explosive shit at you
I never said it was bad, just that it's not the greatest show ever made and that I think some of the writing is way too exaggerated and unrealistic.
But you think that The Shield or Game of Thrones is written more "realistically?" These characters are in impossible situations, realism becomes relative. It's an odd gripe. I'd like a specific example.
Game of Thrones being in a fantasy setting kinda makes it a bad example for realism
when does the new season of Breaking Bad begin ?
I'm not talking about realism as in "set in the real world" but as in "how a person with more than three active braincells would actually act".
The one where they spent a whole episode chasing a fly.
I keep getting a vibe like it's trying to have some humor included but it just falls flat. Some of the acting or characters are just really bad, like Marie. God that one annoys me. Maybe I'm just spoiled by having watched The Wire, The Shield and Game of Thrones as the three shows prior to this.
im pretty sure the point of that was to show that walter was pretty much losing his shit..
I disagree. It's Walter trying to control the pieces of his life that he can. In a world of Tuco's and Gus's and the Cousins and the DEA, Walter is a man struggling to command what he can. He can command the laboratory - except for a fly.
On July 16 2011 06:47 ToxNub wrote: breaking bad is the best show ever and if you dont like it ima throw chunks of explosive shit at you
I never said it was bad, just that it's not the greatest show ever made and that I think some of the writing is way too exaggerated and unrealistic.
But you think that The Shield or Game of Thrones is written more "realistically?" These characters are in impossible situations, realism becomes relative. It's an odd gripe. I'd like a specific example.
Hmm, like Tuco just randomly beating a guy to death, or Jesse not realising that pouring the rest of their water supply into their last source of electricity, while being stranded in the desert, would be a bad idea.
I don't think those are fair gripes at all. Tuco's character is supposed to be very extreme, and I am sure there are very extreme people out in the world that would act like that.
What Jesse did I could see someone accidentally doing, lots of people do stupid stuff when their mind is focused on only one thing.
On July 16 2011 06:47 ToxNub wrote: breaking bad is the best show ever and if you dont like it ima throw chunks of explosive shit at you
I never said it was bad, just that it's not the greatest show ever made and that I think some of the writing is way too exaggerated and unrealistic.
But you think that The Shield or Game of Thrones is written more "realistically?" These characters are in impossible situations, realism becomes relative. It's an odd gripe. I'd like a specific example.
Hmm, like Tuco just randomly beating a guy to death, or Jesse not realising that pouring the rest of their water supply into their last source of electricity, while being stranded in the desert, would be a bad idea. Like situations seem to always end in the most extreme way possible.
Tuco is insane. That is his characterization. He's not that different from other utterly self-destructive characters in other shows. I don't really have an excuse for the water supply thing but why would Seth Bullock beat the living shit out of Eva's father? Why couldn't Omar just stay in hiding and be happy? Why would Ned Stark suddenly start talking about how he was a traitor? Why would Roger Sterling fuck Joan on the street after getting robbed? Why would Don Draper like Sonny Liston more than Mohamed Ali?
They're characters. They are impulsive and act out and behave in extreme manner so that we, as viewers, can see humanity in its most awful and supreme. It'll always be bad writing where drama is concerned, if you want to logic it out.
On July 16 2011 06:47 ToxNub wrote: breaking bad is the best show ever and if you dont like it ima throw chunks of explosive shit at you
I never said it was bad, just that it's not the greatest show ever made and that I think some of the writing is way too exaggerated and unrealistic.
But you think that The Shield or Game of Thrones is written more "realistically?" These characters are in impossible situations, realism becomes relative. It's an odd gripe. I'd like a specific example.
Hmm, like Tuco just randomly beating a guy to death, or Jesse not realising that pouring the rest of their water supply into their last source of electricity, while being stranded in the desert, would be a bad idea. Like situations seem to always end in the most extreme way possible.
Tuco is insane. That is his characterization. He's not that different from other utterly self-destructive characters in other shows. I don't really have an excuse for the water supply thing but why would Seth Bullock beat the living shit out of Eva's father? Why couldn't Omar just stay in hiding and be happy? Why would Ned Stark suddenly start talking about how he was a traitor? Why would Roger Sterling fuck Joan on the street after getting robbed? Why would Don Draper like Sonny Liston more than Mohamed Ali?
They're characters. They are impulsive and act out and behave in extreme manner so that we, as viewers, can see humanity in its most awful and supreme. It'll always be bad writing where drama is concerned, if you want to logic it out.
I'm fine with extremes, it's just the sheer density of them in this show. Like there's no middleground, and stuff just always ends the worst/best/most unlucky way possible. Not to compare the quality, (at all) but it's like the old beverly hills 90210 where half of the characters have been kidnapped, raped, had drug/alcohol/gambling addictions, been held hostage, and so on. By themselves the situations aren't unrealistic, but because they occur so often it ends up seeming excessive and unrealistic to me.
Anyway, I make it seem like I don't like the show, this is mostly minor grievances, and I mostly do think it's a decent show.
One of the best TV shows I have ever seen, defiantly at the top5 with other TV shows like The Wire, Nip/Tuck etc. Walter is such a great character. Only 3 days for the new season I'm sooooo exited!
I`m pretty sure that fly episode was just an attempt to create some metaphorism as well as to try and milk out the show a little bit, it was also a bit comical but I see no reason the Breaking Bad writers need to stoop down to the level of countless trash animes and add pointless fillers.
On July 17 2011 15:12 Crossed9 wrote: I`m pretty sure that fly episode was just an attempt to create some metaphorism as well as to try and milk out the show a little bit, it was also a bit comical but I see no reason the Breaking Bad writers need to stoop down to the level of countless trash animes and add pointless fillers.
Fly was great. Funny as hell while dealing with Walt's guilt over the death of Jessie's g/f. More episodes like that are welcome
Jesse will point the gun away from Gale's face at the last second. Jesse will end up kidnapping Gale and Walter will escape from Gus's custody somehow. Jesse and Walt will end up teaming up to kill Gus, but that will probably not happen until at least mid-season. I think the first several episodes will center around a power struggle between the two entities.
Also I think it's about time Jesse and Walter Jr. meet.
The show's creator has confirmed that Jesse shot Gale
Close, but the devil is in the detail. To put this in context. he was ask that question because the last scene's camera movement made it seem Jesse moved his gun at the last second. This was a mistake. it was never intended to look like Jesse moved his gun at the last second. AFAIK, he never said Jesse shot Gale.
Now assume for a sec that it wasn't Gale being called up, but Gus. Maybe Gus was over at Gales house at the time because he was telling Gale he was taking over tomorrow (because Walter was dead lol).
Yea, that most likely isn't going to happen. But that would be AWESOME. The cook would be running the show.
The A.V. Club: Last season ended with an episode that was reasonably conclusive, whereas this season ends with a cliffhanger. Why’d you choose to end on an ambiguous note?
Vince Gilligan: Well first let me ask you: When you say “ambiguous” do you mean ambiguous in the sense of did Jesse shoot Gale or not?
AVC: Among other things, yes.
VG: Gotcha. That’s interesting, because I’m hearing that from some folks, that question. To me, for what it’s worth, it’s not actually meant to be ambiguous. It’s meant to be, “Oh my god, Jesse shot poor Gale.” But I’m realizing now that when people see the camera come dollying around so it’s looking down the barrel of the gun, some are reading that as maybe he’s changing his point of aim. But that’s not what we intended. Apparently it’s not as clear as I thought it would be. [Laughs.]
On July 17 2011 15:12 Crossed9 wrote: I`m pretty sure that fly episode was just an attempt to create some metaphorism as well as to try and milk out the show a little bit, it was also a bit comical but I see no reason the Breaking Bad writers need to stoop down to the level of countless trash animes and add pointless fillers.
They only have 13 episodes. Vince Gilligan isn't going to waste one on "filler." If you didn't like it, you didn't like it. And I don't know what you mean by metamorphism, unless you mean metaphorical.
Oh god, I just watched the first 10 episodes in two days with my roommates and can easily say I'm hooked. Thank god it's on Netflix I absolutely love this show.
I really love the camera work; from black and white still camera shots to the time lapsed clouds out in the desert to the various lighting effects to the angled shots. I took a course in high school called "Art of Film" which discussed many different techniques used by directors of photography to enhance the viewing experience and also to instill different emotions in the viewers. Either I was just really high while watching it, or the director does a very nicejob shooting this show. The plot so far hasn't been half bad either.
Edit: My fault, was using my phone during class and obviously clicked the wrong thread t.t
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) it's pretty safe to assume that it's Gale the chemist who's gonna do the dieing. 
