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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On March 17 2011 06:45 Mystlord wrote:
Lol Yamakan. Poor guy. I'm still kind of frustrated that they only release Noitamina ratings together. I'd like to know Fractale and Hourou Musuko's individual ratings (unless they do that and I've been missing it?)
Also, "Madoka is awesome". Lol please. It knows how to suck people in. That doesn't mean it's good ;o
To quote Shinbo, what's the point of making something good if it doesn't sell?[/QUOTE]
Yes exactly, because art is not a means of expression. It's pandering.
Madoka steps firmly into the slot of "good not great" series. Unless the last two episodes can somehow prove that wrong (highly unlikely). Sigh. I have to say that the culture around the series is pretty amusing to watch though.
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On March 17 2011 06:54 Mystlord wrote:
Yes exactly, because art is not a means of expression. It's pandering.
Madoka steps firmly into the slot of "good not great" series. Unless the last two episodes can somehow prove that wrong (highly unlikely). Sigh. I have to say that the culture around the series is pretty amusing to watch though.
How is it pandering? D:
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He wrote a long, unconvincing blog post about how the series goes for shock value and sacrifices character development. Sorry if you have other reasons for feeling that way, but that's all I read.
That said, I wouldn't call Madoka a great show either, just because my standards for "great" are really high. But I'm on ep 90-something of Logh right now, and by my standards that show certainly isn't great either unless something really drastic happens in the last 15 eps or so.
Whether or not Madoka is "pandering" is a different question. Maybe it is. But I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Haruhi pandered to people pretty heavily, but it's a brilliant show. I think pandering might be totally inappropriate in some types of shows, but I'm not sure if Madoka is one of them.
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On March 17 2011 06:10 tonight wrote:
I need a good action show to watch. Give me the goods ~
New Getter Robo
I agree with Myst about Madoka. Sure, the show is good, but people make it out like its really great. The best part about Madoka, is that SHAFT themselves are the villians, and the girls fight and kill SHAFTisms every episode.
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Hm, Mystlord on MAL isn't TL's Mystlord, right? Because then I don't have to ask why he watched a shotacon yaoi hentai...
On March 17 2011 07:00 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 06:10 tonight wrote:
I need a good action show to watch. Give me the goods ~ New Getter Robo
Do you have to know the old shows to watch this one? Because I think it was...weird, it didn't seem like a 00's anime at all.
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On March 17 2011 07:04 Lucumo wrote:
Hm, Mystlord on MAL isn't TL's Mystlord, right? Because then I don't have to ask why he watched a shotacon yaoi hentai...
For character development, obviously.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On March 17 2011 06:59 triangle wrote:
He wrote a long, unconvincing blog post about how the series goes for shock value and sacrifices character development. Sorry if you have other reasons for feeling that way, but that's all I read.
That said, I wouldn't call Madoka a great show either, just because my standards for "great" are really high. But I'm on ep 90-something of Logh right now, and by my standards that show certainly isn't great either unless something really drastic happens in the last 15 eps or so.
Ha I'm surprised that anyone here reads those. Everyone has their own opinions, and I'm still rather convinced that Urobuchi is getting a little flaky, especially after watching the chaos of episode 10. A lot of plot elements don't seem to make sense, and I'm even more unsure as to why certain characters behave the way they do. (And Madoka seemed to make a complete, complete 180 in terms of behavior). But whatever.
The way I did the Sayaka analysis that I tried to do was probably not the best approach to get across my point. I can pretty clearly see that now after seeing the responses to the post. Ah well, you learn from mistakes... Etc.
On March 17 2011 07:04 Lucumo wrote:
Hm, Mystlord on MAL isn't TL's Mystlord, right? Because then I don't have to ask why he watched a shotacon yaoi hentai...
LOL yes that is me, and yes I did watch Boku no Pico. I was too scared to do it until I grabbed a bunch of anime friends online and watched it together. I laughed so hard with them that I felt literally destroyed after the one episode. Oh God.
Supposedly we were going to watch the two sequels, but I think people chickened out.
And also, you're not "normal" if you interact with the anime community at all. Seriously. The stuff that you see/hear just from irc... rofl.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Hm I swear that I pressed the edit button... Oh well.
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It honestly depends on what one's definitions and values are, tbh. For something original, is 12~13 episodes in length and in comparison to past animes of that kind, Madoka is certain one of the best in that category. In comparison to just 'anime'? Will it have any lasting influence on the medium? It heavily depends on the criteria on which you are evaluating this.
I personally can't say it is a 'great' anime, it is an amazingly entertaining anime though. In comparison to the likes of Bake, the characters are much flatter in comparison. The story too isn't anything revolutionary either. There is nothing particularly novel to the series at all. Even then, it is tied together very well thus far, the pacing is impeccable, and the characters aren't bad even if they aren't as developed as potentially possible. The theme of the work is somewhat weak and not exactly expressed, but few works of its kind can claim to have done better, etc etc.
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On March 17 2011 07:09 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 06:59 triangle wrote:
He wrote a long, unconvincing blog post about how the series goes for shock value and sacrifices character development. Sorry if you have other reasons for feeling that way, but that's all I read.
That said, I wouldn't call Madoka a great show either, just because my standards for "great" are really high. But I'm on ep 90-something of Logh right now, and by my standards that show certainly isn't great either unless something really drastic happens in the last 15 eps or so. Ha I'm surprised that anyone here reads those. Everyone has their own opinions, and I'm still rather convinced that Urobuchi is getting a little flaky, especially after watching the chaos of episode 10. A lot of plot elements don't seem to make sense, and I'm even more unsure as to why certain characters behave the way they do. (And Madoka seemed to make a complete, complete 180 in terms of behavior). But whatever. The way I did the Sayaka analysis that I tried to do was probably not the best approach to get across my point. I can pretty clearly see that now after seeing the responses to the post. Ah well, you learn from mistakes... Etc.
Even though it is one of my favorite shows, I can admit that it has faults and there are plenty of reasons why people wouldn't like it. But still, how is it pandering? Who and what is it pandering to?
Apologies if you didn't mean that Madoka is pandering to some group; it just seemed like you meant that.
Edit: I think that Ecael summed it up best. The show probably isn't even all that great, but IMO the wait and speculation are what makes it so enjoyable for me. I've never anticipated the next episode of a show like this.
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On March 17 2011 07:04 Lucumo wrote:Hm, Mystlord on MAL isn't TL's Mystlord, right? Because then I don't have to ask why he watched a shotacon yaoi hentai... Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 07:00 Sentenal wrote:On March 17 2011 06:10 tonight wrote:
I need a good action show to watch. Give me the goods ~ New Getter Robo Do you have to know the old shows to watch this one? Because I think it was...weird, it didn't seem like a 00's anime at all.
New Getter is essentially a revamp/restart of the old animes, and follows the manga closer, so no prior knowledge is required. Character design and art is definitely a throw back to old school stuff, though. Not that things like that is a bad thing, IMO. You might be thinking of Getter Robo Armageddon, which you would probably need to watch other Getter shows first, before watching it. I'm currently getting Ferrose to watch New Getter, and hes enjoying it, I think.
Armageddon is weird continuity-wise, because its not a direct sequel to any animated Getter show, but its close enough so that you only need a few things pointed out (after watching another Getter show) to understand it.
Also, Getter Robo Armageddon is called "Shin Getter Robo" by fans, which probably just confuses the hell out of people, since New Getter Robo can be translated as "Shin" as well, right?
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On March 17 2011 07:09 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 07:04 Lucumo wrote:
Hm, Mystlord on MAL isn't TL's Mystlord, right? Because then I don't have to ask why he watched a shotacon yaoi hentai... LOL yes that is me, and yes I did watch Boku no Pico. I was too scared to do it until I grabbed a bunch of anime friends online and watched it together. I laughed so hard with them that I felt literally destroyed after the one episode. Oh God. .
sure >_>
anyways, I'm of the opinion that madoka deserves the hype it gets
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Canada8035 Posts
Finished reading Darker than Black: Shikkoku no Hana. The story was confusing as hell for the first half, and the ending felt really abrupt (sounds a little like season 2, doesn't it? <_<). Not gonna lie - Yin (and Hei, I guess) was basically the only thing keeping me going at some points.
+ Show Spoiler +
I guess Durarara vol 6 is next on the to read list.
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On March 17 2011 07:09 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 07:04 Lucumo wrote:
Hm, Mystlord on MAL isn't TL's Mystlord, right? Because then I don't have to ask why he watched a shotacon yaoi hentai... LOL yes that is me, and yes I did watch Boku no Pico. I was too scared to do it until I grabbed a bunch of anime friends online and watched it together. I laughed so hard with them that I felt literally destroyed after the one episode. Oh God. Supposedly we were going to watch the two sequels, but I think people chickened out. And also, you're not "normal" if you interact with the anime community at all. Seriously. The stuff that you see/hear just from irc... rofl.
I was looking at your high rated anime because it's the best way to see what kind of fan the person is. But you just had too many, so I did it the other way around. It caught my eye because a female friend of mine watched it and I was wondering what kind of anime it is. Apart from that, I heard about this anime once, maybe twice. But well, I'm not really the irc-goer anymore and in the forums I visit, they don't talk about this kinda stuff. Anyway, it's good that you watched it together with other people because that's pretty much the only way a straight male person can watch it. Guess I don't have to worry anymore 
Ah, I always look it up on AniDB and there it's one anime with three episodes.
On March 17 2011 07:17 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 07:04 Lucumo wrote:Hm, Mystlord on MAL isn't TL's Mystlord, right? Because then I don't have to ask why he watched a shotacon yaoi hentai... On March 17 2011 07:00 Sentenal wrote:On March 17 2011 06:10 tonight wrote:
I need a good action show to watch. Give me the goods ~ New Getter Robo Do you have to know the old shows to watch this one? Because I think it was...weird, it didn't seem like a 00's anime at all. New Getter is essentially a revamp/restart of the old animes, and follows the manga closer, so no prior knowledge is required. Character design and art is definitely a throw back to old school stuff, though. Not that things like that is a bad thing, IMO. You might be thinking of Getter Robo Armageddon, which you would probably need to watch other Getter shows first, before watching it. I'm currently getting Ferrose to watch New Getter, and hes enjoying it, I think. Armageddon is weird continuity-wise, because its not a direct sequel to any animated Getter show, but its close enough so that you only need a few things pointed out (after watching another Getter show) to understand it. Also, Getter Robo Armageddon is called "Shin Getter Robo" by fans, which probably just confuses the hell out of people, since New Getter Robo can be translated as "Shin" as well, right?
Hm, so it follows the manga? Then it's no wonder I feel like that, especially with the design and art, as you already mentioned. And since I haven't watched a single old Mecha anime(apart from Gundam), I just felt somewhat lost. I do know what they are like(theoretically) but it is still different when you watch it. I looked those series up sometime ago but gave up because there were alternate versions, sequels and "other" and there is a lack of fansubs. Getter Robo only has no-group ones after episode 21 and I'm reluctant to watch those. I'm not a fan of bad translations at all and that's why it is worrying me. The sequel has full subs, but they are unrated and there are no comments about it. That doesn't really help me and it's somewhat sad that older shows don't really get any love. And I'm the type who starts with the oldest series and then work my way through everything, so I can't really watch anything at the moment.
Yeah, that is one of the problems I mentioned, I don't like that. Wish they would only make simple sequels and prequels and sometimes a summary movie -.-
Yes, I refer to New Getter Robo that way. Original names > English ones.
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It "follows" the original manga, but only to an extent. It follows it more closely than the original anime, but there are still alot of differences. The big things that are close to the original manga are Ryoma and Hayato's backstories. Other than that, there are some pretty huge differences (for example, the villians are the Onis in New Getter, rather than the Dinosaur Empire). I guess I should say it follows the original manga closely stylistically, in terms of grit and violence.
I'm pretty sure most 70s Super Robot anime will have pretty bad subs, since no one wants to bother with stuff that old. 70s Getter is something that I don't even touch haha. But all the Getter shows released after Armageddon have been much darker, more violent, and involve Batshit-Insane-Ryoma. Ryoma was like some highschool soccer star moral fag in the original Getter anime, or something lol
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Don't hate on Boku no Pico! That show exemplifies anime as a whole
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On March 17 2011 07:51 Sentenal wrote:
It "follows" the original manga, but only to an extent. It follows it more closely than the original anime, but there are still alot of differences. The big things that are close to the original manga are Ryoma and Hayato's backstories. Other than that, there are some pretty huge differences (for example, the villians are the Onis in New Getter, rather than the Dinosaur Empire). I guess I should say it follows the original manga closely stylistically, in terms of grit and violence.
I'm pretty sure most 70s Super Robot anime will have pretty bad subs, since no one wants to bother with stuff that old. 70s Getter is something that I don't even touch haha. But all the Getter shows released after Armageddon have been much darker, more violent, and involve Batshit-Insane-Ryoma. Ryoma was like some highschool soccer star moral fag in the original Getter anime, or something lol
Ah, I misworded that. More like "based off" the manga because the anime is old-style-like. I don't know about the story or the characters, I meant the general feeling, the pacing, the style, the everything. Dinosaur Empire? Lol, sounds like fun. The violence, I did like it but it certainly surprised me when I was watching it. I expected it to be more friendly towards kids. That's one thing I didn't know.
Why not? I can understand that people don't want to watch every mecha anime but some 3-4 should be fine  Hm, dark and violent? That's something for me, I guess. What are those anime? Shin Getter Robo Tai Neo Getter Robo? Shin Getter Robo(which I already watched). They seem to be the only two shows. Is Armageddon included in the "dark, violent" description? Hm, I'm pretty sure he was the same or something similar in Shin Getter Robo.
On March 17 2011 08:13 blagoonga123 wrote:Don't hate on Boku no Pico! That show exemplifies anime as a whole
No one hated on this anime
Akagi episode 14, so awesome. Blood, Mahjong, Yakuza, awesome main character. What more can you ask for?
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You should try Saki, Lucumo. But instead of blood and Yakuza, you get "cute girls" and "yuri."
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Canada8035 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:30 Lucumo wrote:
Akagi episode 14, so awesome. Blood, Mahjong, Yakuza, awesome main character. What more can you ask for?
I hope you're ready for the neverending Washizu arc. D:
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On March 17 2011 08:13 blagoonga123 wrote:Don't hate on Boku no Pico! That show exemplifies anime as a whole
now we can only hope prunus girl (should be SFW) gets an anime adaption...
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