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On May 10 2017 05:41 Lackbleeder wrote: Was gonna bring up the third law of Clarke but looks like Miragee beat me to it. But yeah it depends where on the mohs scale of sci-fi it falls into, if it's soft sci-fi the advanced stuff with little to no explaination is basically magic. This is especially true for mecha, even most real robot shows are only Medium SF at best. Heard Votoms was hard SF-ish but other than that I can't really think of anything else.
Gunbuster is hard scifi
Gunbuster had some hard scifi concepts like time dilation but it also had stuff like + Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2017 09:58 felisconcolori wrote: ... I think you're missing the opportunity to shoehorn a new subgenre-fication in the discussion.
Anyways, as a long time Sci-Fi/Fantasy reader - the difference is that Sci-Fi has to at least have a reasonable connection to science as it is or as it could be without too much handwaving and particle of the week nonsense. Whether or not the science makes sense, it is actually viewed scientifically. (Which is why, say, Star Trek would be more Sci Fi with Star Wars being more Sci-Fantasy. WTF is a motivator? Why does everything have one? How does it work? Never a part of the story - and the science was dreamed up by secondary authors, fans, etc, after the original story was told. Where as the science, though often tenuous, was central to Star Trek. Even if it was BS like Berthold Rays.)
Straight Fantasy is of course swords/sorcery/low tech/what science.
But you could argue for Urban Fantasy for a lot of the modern/near future anime stories that have tech but also magic. Like Index (but not Railgun). Science can pop up in Urban Fantasy, but isn't a driving factor in the story usually. I think, for Sci-Fi, science needs to be central to how the story plays out.
It's all a big muddle, though, as you point out - there never was any solid demarcation, and things slide from extreme hard sci-fi through to sci-fantasy into urban fantasy and landing in fantasy. Sometimes in the same book! (Dammit, Heinlein.)
I mean, of course I agree with the general notion that sci-fi has to have a "reasonable connection to science," but let's be real, that sort of distinction is a tautology, the rationale is self-evident in the name of the genre. xD
But I feel like having a reasonable connection to science is often reflected in the tone in which a sci-fi novel is written. I mean, it sounds incredibly unfair and too broad a brush stroke, but a lot of the writings you see by Clarke, PKD, Dan Simmons, Larry Niven, and Isaac Asimov (probably due to their backgrounds) all take on very technical qualities that reflect the heaviness of the science discussed, whereas if you read something by Ursula Leguin or Marion Zimmer Bradley, the tone and atmosphere are immediately different, and I don't think it's all because we're talking about different writers and styles (since LeGuin writes sci-fi and fantasy and I feel like the tonal shifts in her novels are evident as well).
Even in anime, where it's hard to really see the script, you can see where someone like Gen Urobuchi takes a significantly different sort of tone when he writes fantasy (Fate/Zero) and something that's sci-fi (Aldnoah) despite them having your classic Urobuchi signature (edgelord edge edge edgy edge).
On May 10 2017 12:08 Slaughter wrote: SukaSuka has been consistently good this season.
one of the anime I look forward to every week so I'm glad that it's delivering. For some reason, I do get a feeling that they are cutting a lot of information due to time constraints.
On May 10 2017 12:08 Slaughter wrote: SukaSuka has been consistently good this season.
one of the anime I look forward to every week so I'm glad that it's delivering. For some reason, I do get a feeling that they are cutting a lot of information due to time constraints.
Probably. I feel like this won't have a happy ending though and that kinda sucks.
From the wiki apparently there is a sequel series? Anyone who has read the novels know what is up? Did they end the series at 5 vols then continue the series with a sequel or is it like a new series with new characters?
On May 10 2017 12:08 Slaughter wrote: SukaSuka has been consistently good this season.
one of the anime I look forward to every week so I'm glad that it's delivering. For some reason, I do get a feeling that they are cutting a lot of information due to time constraints.
Probably. I feel like this won't have a happy ending though and that kinda sucks.
From the wiki apparently there is a sequel series? Anyone who has read the novels know what is up? Did they end the series at 5 vols then continue the series with a sequel or is it like a new series with new characters?
I'm almost positive that it won't have a happy ending which makes it all the more saddening when I watch it atm.
All I know is that there are 5 vols so far, never realized that there is a sequel out.
On May 10 2017 05:41 Lackbleeder wrote: Was gonna bring up the third law of Clarke but looks like Miragee beat me to it. But yeah it depends where on the mohs scale of sci-fi it falls into, if it's soft sci-fi the advanced stuff with little to no explaination is basically magic. This is especially true for mecha, even most real robot shows are only Medium SF at best. Heard Votoms was hard SF-ish but other than that I can't really think of anything else.
I mean, I don't necessarily agree with that assessment. By this scale you're linking, HG Well's Time Machine, one of many commonly cited science fictions works by him, is basically a work of fantasy/magic because there's no explanation to the inner workings of the contraption.
In addition, by this scale, we have to consider Steins;Gate hard science fiction because their description of their time traveling machine iirc is pretty extensive even in the anime when it should be clear to everyone that S;G's science is bogus. Fun and greatly entertaining, but bogus nonetheless.
With stuff like Hyperion, Dune, and The Book of the New Sun, stuff like science fiction and fantasy can be blurred for many reasons. I can agree that it's an inebriating idea to want to be able to more easily classify these things, but I feel like these old rules and scales, as nice as they sound or look, don't even remotely come close to adequately explaining much.
From my experience, fantasy and science fiction are most commonly distinguished by tone and atmosphere and it is only when an atmosphere of mysticism and scientific tone collide that we get things like a Dune or a Hyperion.
I think presentation matters more than the actual science when determining sci-fi hardness because otherwise many older harder sci-fi works that used outdated scientific concepts would suddenly become soft sci-fi overnight. That's why something like steins;gate can be considered hard sci-fi even with all the dumb pseudoscience it uses.
I agree with what you said about the scale but it's more of a rule of thumb, an universal scale that could explain all different types of sci-fi/fantasy would be incredibly complex, restrictive and basically impossible. It's not like a work being hard sci-fi means that it's of higher quality either, some science is better left unexplained.
On May 10 2017 05:41 Lackbleeder wrote: Was gonna bring up the third law of Clarke but looks like Miragee beat me to it. But yeah it depends where on the mohs scale of sci-fi it falls into, if it's soft sci-fi the advanced stuff with little to no explaination is basically magic. This is especially true for mecha, even most real robot shows are only Medium SF at best. Heard Votoms was hard SF-ish but other than that I can't really think of anything else.
Gunbuster is hard scifi
Gunbuster had some hard scifi concepts like time dilation but it also had stuff like + Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2017 12:08 Slaughter wrote: SukaSuka has been consistently good this season.
one of the anime I look forward to every week so I'm glad that it's delivering. For some reason, I do get a feeling that they are cutting a lot of information due to time constraints.
Probably. I feel like this won't have a happy ending though and that kinda sucks.
From the wiki apparently there is a sequel series? Anyone who has read the novels know what is up? Did they end the series at 5 vols then continue the series with a sequel or is it like a new series with new characters?
That key visual doesn't inspire much confidence in me. Looks like some edgelord emo kid with loose clothing. He's meant to be apart from the flamboyant nobility with no substance. Already feel like they won't give it the HxH treatment and now arg.
LoGH from what I've gathered is one of the shows that gets how to do an adaption that adds to the story it's adapting instead of merely being a 1:1 media translator or remove quality with trying to change things.
On May 10 2017 05:41 Lackbleeder wrote: Was gonna bring up the third law of Clarke but looks like Miragee beat me to it. But yeah it depends where on the mohs scale of sci-fi it falls into, if it's soft sci-fi the advanced stuff with little to no explaination is basically magic. This is especially true for mecha, even most real robot shows are only Medium SF at best. Heard Votoms was hard SF-ish but other than that I can't really think of anything else.
Gunbuster is hard scifi
Gunbuster had some hard scifi concepts like time dilation but it also had stuff like + Show Spoiler +
The best part about the Buster Home Run is that you can actually see both it and the Buster Tomahawk in the OVA for a second, during the transformation scene. If I was at home I'd screenshot it, but oh well. Gunbuster was so great.
On May 10 2017 21:24 Numy wrote: That key visual doesn't inspire much confidence in me. Looks like some edgelord emo kid with loose clothing. He's meant to be apart from the flamboyant nobility with no substance. Already feel like they won't give it the HxH treatment and now arg.
LoGH from what I've gathered is one of the shows that gets how to do an adaption that adds to the story it's adapting instead of merely being a 1:1 media translator or remove quality with trying to change things.
Eh, I mean the Key Visual isn't really anything. Reinhard is just standing there, looking at the sky. Not really an indication of anything one way or another. It could be worse. At least the uniform isn't as terrible as the uniforms were in Golden Wings, and at least hes not a girl.
Also, RIP Yang's voice actor... Its a shame the others are getting recast too, as their voice actors are still mostly alive.
On May 10 2017 21:24 Numy wrote: That key visual doesn't inspire much confidence in me. Looks like some edgelord emo kid with loose clothing. He's meant to be apart from the flamboyant nobility with no substance. Already feel like they won't give it the HxH treatment and now arg.
LoGH from what I've gathered is one of the shows that gets how to do an adaption that adds to the story it's adapting instead of merely being a 1:1 media translator or remove quality with trying to change things.
"edgelord emo kird with loose cothing". lol Numy, so spot on. xD But I feel like you are right. I hope for the best but from the little info we got it doesn't look too promising.
I agree with Sent, I'm just glad the characters will have noses instead of a dot in the middle of their faces. Character design was one of the OVA's strongest aspects because of how little sameface there was without relying on absurd hairstyles or haircolors. The hair looks bad compared to the OVA's though, so little detail ...
On May 11 2017 02:30 Lackbleeder wrote: I agree with Sent, I'm just glad the characters will have noses instead of a dot in the middle of their faces. Character design was one of the OVA's strongest aspects because of how little sameface there was without relying on absurd hairstyles or haircolors. The hair looks bad compared to the OVA's though, so little detail ...
Where did you see they have noses? Side-views almost always feature noses. It's the front view that matters.
On May 11 2017 02:30 Lackbleeder wrote: I agree with Sent, I'm just glad the characters will have noses instead of a dot in the middle of their faces. Character design was one of the OVA's strongest aspects because of how little sameface there was without relying on absurd hairstyles or haircolors. The hair looks bad compared to the OVA's though, so little detail ...
Where did you see they have noses? Side-views almost always feature noses. It's the front view that matters.
On May 11 2017 02:30 Lackbleeder wrote: I agree with Sent, I'm just glad the characters will have noses instead of a dot in the middle of their faces. Character design was one of the OVA's strongest aspects because of how little sameface there was without relying on absurd hairstyles or haircolors. The hair looks bad compared to the OVA's though, so little detail ...
Where did you see they have noses? Side-views almost always feature noses. It's the front view that matters.
On May 05 2017 05:25 Toadesstern wrote: that my collection of 1 figure that I bought myself is probably a quite small samplesize?
Is it shigure. hmm in that picture, I see madoka, homura, miyuki, yui, asuna, and nanoha??? That's pretty good imo.
Assuming that "brown hair twin tailed head" is actually Nanoha, that's only 1 good and a bunch of shits.
you're right, I don't know if that is nanoha but that was my first thought. are there any girls that you like that don't come from a mecha/mecha-like show
Thats "Random Waifu-related Shit", not the "Waifu Chart". The Waifu chart is a separate thing. Notice how none of my Waifus are actually on the one you linked