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On February 03 2017 23:26 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2017 22:58 NeoIllusions wrote:On February 03 2017 05:12 Toadesstern wrote:week continues to be sub-par for me: Kuzu no honkai with probably the worst episode so far for me. It still looks absolutely marvelous, probably even more so this week than before but the episode itself wasn't really my thing. + Show Spoiler +I can kind of get behind Ecchan but the female teacher just seems silly. Just after I post about how they treat characters as actual characters and not just some random cardboard cut-outs do we get this cardboard villain of a teacher. Now chances are I'm leaping a bit to conclusions and we might get some background that explains this but so far not a fan of her. And I get that she's obviously someone you're not supposed to like, that's not the issue here. Just feels like they're making it too easy for themselves by presenting us that clearly "evil" character rather than something a little bit more nuanced and believable As for Masamune-kun no Revenge... we're 4 episodes in and I still haven't seen more lewd tennis girls. That's all I care about with this show... come on get your shit together Kuzu + Show Spoiler +Ecchan prob has the best design of the season for me. Red, long hair, soft spoken, yet so pitiful behind her dead eyes. What she truly wants is out of reach so she chooses for simple, ephemeral pleasure. Bitch sensei is actually my second and I'm surprised you simplify her into a cardboard villain. What exactly do you find so plain about her? Behind her false demeanor, she's a narcissist with borderline sociopathic traits. She's charming to a degree where readers accurately call her a man eater and has the interpersonal skill to read every other character in the series like a book. So what does she do instead? Utter disregard for anyone else and almost lives her life like a hedonist. idk what kind of other villains you're comparing her too but to the contrary, I thought she was a good villain with values and thoughts that you can draw parallels with to people in real life. If anything, and true to the series, a lot of things bitch sensei does then says in internal monologue is uncomfortable. And that's pretty good for a 2D chara in my book. Masamune-kun, we basically had a Marika clone pop up. Not sure which I'd prefer more though. zz + Show Spoiler +I've had some back and forth with a couple of guys on MAL on this but for me it's just that I'm not really buying her character right now. So far I'd say there's 2 things to her that I'm seeing and chances are they're wrong but that's my perception of her so far: 1) Like you said she comes of as a sociapath who genuinly enjoys hurting people (emotionally) 2) She seems like she has underlying insecurity issues to some degree? The whole flashback to her schooltime showing how she "steals away" her friends crush and doesn't feel bad about it kinda shows both to me. Firstly she doesn't feel bad about it and secondly she says herself that she doesn't ever want that to happen to herself, right?
That just isn't relatable to me at all given what we have. Sure there are psycho's out there and all that but that's just not really my kind of character. If I were to compare it to Game of Thrones for example, I absolutely love Cersei for being a really, really good villain. She isn't someone who wakes up in the morning thinking "okay, now how can I hurt people today" but instead you see all the awful things she does and you can relate to all that because she really loves her children so much and wants to protect them rather than some silly "okay I want to be evil" kind of guy. In contrast Ramsay was pretty meh for me as well, but still better than Akane. He was straight up crazy and perhaps even somewhat comparable to Akane... since she also enjoys hurting people, at least emotionally. But with Ramsay I never got the feeling that it was so out of nowhere. Like I said in the innitial post, could very well be I'm jumping to conclusions since we just met her but right now the female teacher just seems silly to me Somewhat unrelated but also on Kuzu no honkai + Show Spoiler +I was kinda shocked that noone seemed to mind Ecchan. I like the character and all but people on MAL were innitially like "aww, that's nice" and I'm just sitting there scratching my head in disbelief. Just for clarification, the distinction between liking a character for being a good character (I totally agree with that on Ecchan) and liking the person that character is supposed to be... I really didn't understand people saying the second... it's like you get this scene: http://imgur.com/a/VougTand people react like "awww, how cute. That's nice for her" and I'm just sitting there thinking that if it wasn't for her being overshadowed by Akane being a monster, people would be talking about her being an asshole. But I like her way more since it's more nuanced with her and not that one character trait to the extreme
Have discussions on MAL, what is this? Guess I'm going to go stalk a bit. Though talking with randoms is far less fun...
Akane + Show Spoiler +1 is true. She enjoys taking things from other people. As for 2, not sure if it's insecurities like the rest of the characters but the fact that she revels in others' misery lends itself to her not wanting to be the victim of someone else's enjoyment.
From your GoT examples, I take it you want to understand where charas come from. Whether it be a backstory or delving into their personality. Cersei is certainly evil but much of what she does is out of love for her family. Ramsay is more wonton, with little rhyme or reason.
For Akane, I think how we view her is rather different. You consider her actions without basis, like she's just doing things randomly. Wanting to hurt people, taking what's theirs, etc. But why does she do all that? "It's just the way she is." and that doesn't really fly for you. I, on the other hand, consider majority of people to be extremely selfish. Not just that initiating good will is difficult but even reciprocating kindness is often rare. In short, I do think most people are scum. So for someone who reads a lot of rom where much of the plot is idealized, Akane's selfishness is fresh and actually reflects my view on humanity. At the barest level, she's out for herself, even if it is something as base as sex. Second, for her ruthlessness, she also has conviction. I jokingly say "she knows what she wants" to other TLADT guys when we talk about animu but this definitely rings true for Akane and it supplements the selfish, greedy aspect of her.
Ecchan + Show Spoiler +her actions are definitely heavily overshadowed with the introduction of Akane's true side. I think the main reason most viewers are willing to give her a pass is that both Hanabi and Ecchan are suffering due to circumstances out of their control (the tl;dr being you can't help who you love, esp when it's unrequited). Akane blows everything out of the water by being the cause of multiple characters' misery, so it illicits greater reaction. So for red, instead of sulking away like most animu viewers have come to expect, she vicious takes what she can get, even at the risk of hurting the one she loves. Actually relatable to me, despite not being logical.
Shotgun MAL responses + Show Spoiler +- l0l that guy tilted from Akane licking her lips. Sure it's a trope for sultry, man eaters but hardly something to get annoyed by - Yeah, you think Akane is evil while she actually lives up to what I expect many people to be like - @Ysad, sure most womanizers/maneaters don't actively go out hurting other people but in reality, that is exactly what ends up happens, despite it not being their intention. Akane simply takes it a step further by enjoying inflicting pain - I share a lot of Fappa's sentiments.
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Would you recommend that series? I wouldn't watch it, only read.
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Kuzu manga? I enjoy the story and it has good art to boot. So I'm following it until completion (a new TL'd chapter just came out, probably only 2-4 more before series ends).
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On February 04 2017 00:01 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2017 23:26 Toadesstern wrote:On February 03 2017 22:58 NeoIllusions wrote:On February 03 2017 05:12 Toadesstern wrote:week continues to be sub-par for me: Kuzu no honkai with probably the worst episode so far for me. It still looks absolutely marvelous, probably even more so this week than before but the episode itself wasn't really my thing. + Show Spoiler +I can kind of get behind Ecchan but the female teacher just seems silly. Just after I post about how they treat characters as actual characters and not just some random cardboard cut-outs do we get this cardboard villain of a teacher. Now chances are I'm leaping a bit to conclusions and we might get some background that explains this but so far not a fan of her. And I get that she's obviously someone you're not supposed to like, that's not the issue here. Just feels like they're making it too easy for themselves by presenting us that clearly "evil" character rather than something a little bit more nuanced and believable As for Masamune-kun no Revenge... we're 4 episodes in and I still haven't seen more lewd tennis girls. That's all I care about with this show... come on get your shit together Kuzu + Show Spoiler +Ecchan prob has the best design of the season for me. Red, long hair, soft spoken, yet so pitiful behind her dead eyes. What she truly wants is out of reach so she chooses for simple, ephemeral pleasure. Bitch sensei is actually my second and I'm surprised you simplify her into a cardboard villain. What exactly do you find so plain about her? Behind her false demeanor, she's a narcissist with borderline sociopathic traits. She's charming to a degree where readers accurately call her a man eater and has the interpersonal skill to read every other character in the series like a book. So what does she do instead? Utter disregard for anyone else and almost lives her life like a hedonist. idk what kind of other villains you're comparing her too but to the contrary, I thought she was a good villain with values and thoughts that you can draw parallels with to people in real life. If anything, and true to the series, a lot of things bitch sensei does then says in internal monologue is uncomfortable. And that's pretty good for a 2D chara in my book. Masamune-kun, we basically had a Marika clone pop up. Not sure which I'd prefer more though. zz + Show Spoiler +I've had some back and forth with a couple of guys on MAL on this but for me it's just that I'm not really buying her character right now. So far I'd say there's 2 things to her that I'm seeing and chances are they're wrong but that's my perception of her so far: 1) Like you said she comes of as a sociapath who genuinly enjoys hurting people (emotionally) 2) She seems like she has underlying insecurity issues to some degree? The whole flashback to her schooltime showing how she "steals away" her friends crush and doesn't feel bad about it kinda shows both to me. Firstly she doesn't feel bad about it and secondly she says herself that she doesn't ever want that to happen to herself, right?
That just isn't relatable to me at all given what we have. Sure there are psycho's out there and all that but that's just not really my kind of character. If I were to compare it to Game of Thrones for example, I absolutely love Cersei for being a really, really good villain. She isn't someone who wakes up in the morning thinking "okay, now how can I hurt people today" but instead you see all the awful things she does and you can relate to all that because she really loves her children so much and wants to protect them rather than some silly "okay I want to be evil" kind of guy. In contrast Ramsay was pretty meh for me as well, but still better than Akane. He was straight up crazy and perhaps even somewhat comparable to Akane... since she also enjoys hurting people, at least emotionally. But with Ramsay I never got the feeling that it was so out of nowhere. Like I said in the innitial post, could very well be I'm jumping to conclusions since we just met her but right now the female teacher just seems silly to me Somewhat unrelated but also on Kuzu no honkai + Show Spoiler +I was kinda shocked that noone seemed to mind Ecchan. I like the character and all but people on MAL were innitially like "aww, that's nice" and I'm just sitting there scratching my head in disbelief. Just for clarification, the distinction between liking a character for being a good character (I totally agree with that on Ecchan) and liking the person that character is supposed to be... I really didn't understand people saying the second... it's like you get this scene: http://imgur.com/a/VougTand people react like "awww, how cute. That's nice for her" and I'm just sitting there thinking that if it wasn't for her being overshadowed by Akane being a monster, people would be talking about her being an asshole. But I like her way more since it's more nuanced with her and not that one character trait to the extreme Have discussions on MAL, what is this? Guess I'm going to go stalk a bit. Though talking with randoms is far less fun... Akane + Show Spoiler +1 is true. She enjoys taking things from other people. As for 2, not sure if it's insecurities like the rest of the characters but the fact that she revels in others' misery lends itself to her not wanting to be the victim of someone else's enjoyment.
From your GoT examples, I take it you want to understand where charas come from. Whether it be a backstory or delving into their personality. Cersei is certainly evil but much of what she does is out of love for her family. Ramsay is more wonton, with little rhyme or reason.
For Akane, I think how we view her is rather different. You consider her actions without basis, like she's just doing things randomly. Wanting to hurt people, taking what's theirs, etc. But why does she do all that? "It's just the way she is." and that doesn't really fly for you. I, on the other hand, consider majority of people to be extremely selfish. Not just that initiating good will is difficult but even reciprocating kindness is often rare. In short, I do think most people are scum. So for someone who reads a lot of rom where much of the plot is idealized, Akane's selfishness is fresh and actually reflects my view on humanity. At the barest level, she's out for herself, even if it is something as base as sex. Second, for her ruthlessness, she also has conviction. I jokingly say "she knows what she wants" to other TLADT guys when we talk about animu but this definitely rings true for Akane and it supplements the selfish, greedy aspect of her. Ecchan + Show Spoiler +her actions are definitely heavily overshadowed with the introduction of Akane's true side. I think the main reason most viewers are willing to give her a pass is that both Hanabi and Ecchan are suffering due to circumstances out of their control (the tl;dr being you can't help who you love, esp when it's unrequited). Akane blows everything out of the water by being the cause of multiple characters' misery, so it illicits greater reaction. So for red, instead of sulking away like most animu viewers have come to expect, she vicious takes what she can get, even at the risk of hurting the one she loves. Actually relatable to me, despite not being logical. Shotgun MAL responses + Show Spoiler +- l0l that guy tilted from Akane licking her lips. Sure it's a trope for sultry, man eaters but hardly something to get annoyed by - Yeah, you think Akane is evil while she actually lives up to what I expect many people to be like - @Ysad, sure most womanizers/maneaters don't actively go out hurting other people but in reality, that is exactly what ends up happens, despite it not being their intention. Akane simply takes it a step further by enjoying inflicting pain - I share a lot of Fappa's sentiments.
+ Show Spoiler +it's not really that I consider her actions without basis... I get that she's supposed to get enjoyment out of tormenting other people and seeing them in misery. And I'm sure that's true for a lot of people to some minor degree. Same goes for her being selfish, that's of course true for a lot of people. But it's just going too far for me with nothing else there... I want to see some parts about her that aren't "evil" (for a lack of better word). Someone on MAL basicly said I'm not understanding her character and should rewatch the episode, then "revealed" that she's a sadist and that's why she does it and I'm just like "well no shit". I just don't think you really have people being that much of an S but rather a mix of a lot of things.
Which is why I love the other 3 characters so much more. They're confused and they don't know what they are themselves. I wouldn't call Ecchan evil even if what she does in that scene is pretty damn awful. Oh well, maybe I'm just too naive and never came across anything remotely like that.
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On February 04 2017 00:17 NeoIllusions wrote: Kuzu manga? I enjoy the story and it has good art to boot. So I'm following it until completion (a new TL'd chapter just came out, probably only 2-4 more before series ends). Doesn't look super long either, I'll give it a spin when I'm caught up on Grand Blue.
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Maybe it's because I marathon'ed season 1 of Konosuba, but S2 hasn't been that great for me. Feels like its always the same thing with no progression (maybe I shouldn't expect any progression but only comedy).
Youjo Senki is my anime of the season so far.
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progression? What do you mean? Like them going on a quest to kill the demon lord?
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at least Demi-chan carried the week
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maidragon carries every week.
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I thought Konosuba was good, just that the animation was terrible in general and extra bad in how they did Darkness. Plus the whole blah blah the scene was better in the book.
But its a good season though, so many shows that can carry.
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Anyone else watching Youjo Senki? I love a good anti-hero anime and this is really hitting that mark pretty well.
Also this + Show Spoiler +
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On February 05 2017 05:05 Slaughter wrote: I thought Konosuba was good, just that the animation was terrible in general and extra bad in how they did Darkness. Plus the whole blah blah the scene was better in the book.
But its a good season though, so many shows that can carry. yeah the season is crazy good for me. I just wasn't that much of a fan of most episodes this week. But this is still way better than previous seasons
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On February 05 2017 05:45 NEOtheONE wrote: Anyone else watching Youjo Senki? I love a good anti-hero anime and this is really hitting that mark pretty well.
Not yet but i'm planning to once it's nearly completed. Waiting for stuff weekly is a pain.
Finished all the main early UC gundam shows except The Origin recently, some short thoughts on all of them.
+ Show Spoiler [ Early UC Gundam] +0079 : The classic. Thought it was decent initially but I've grown to appreciate it more over time. I'm hoping for a remake in 2019 that adapts all the non-prequel stuff of the origin manga.
0080 : Pretty good overall but the events leading up to the ending felt very stupid and soured the ending for me.
08th MS team : Good first half, forgettable second half. Really wish the director didn't die midway through, might've been amazing otherwise
Thunderbolt : Great visuals and plot but the short duration made it feel a little bit rushed. Not a single second felt pointless or boring though.
Zeta : Ridiculous start and annoying middle section aside it was good. Improves on many aspects of the original but has a lot of unlikeable characters and incomprehensible dialogue wich worsens the experience.
ZZ : Very stupid but also very enjoyable. When the plot is good it's about the same level as 0079 & Zeta but when the plot is bad it's completely retarded (Beecha & Mondo betrayals, Dublin colony drop, ....). The transition from comedy --> serious in the middle was more jarring than serious --> comedy early on. Also Glemy Toto's character is full of contradictions and makes no sense. It's a shame since I thought he'd be an amazing character if he was handled properly.
0083 : I REALLY wish I watched this before Zeta, might've liked the start then. Don't have much to say about this OVA other that it was okay, Kou is retarded and Nina is a bitch though. CCA : I hate everything about this movie. How a couple like Bright and Mirai managed to conceive such an irredeemable PoS like Noa "I shot the woman who just saved my life" Hathaway is beyond me.
Unicorn : The best kind of fanservice. Much easier to follow than Tomino's stuff since it explains the technology and newtype stuff and the dialogue isn't so weird. Episode 4 was amazing but Banagher was insufferably preachy (more so than usual that episode). Have a hard time considering this show to be canon though, it feels too much like fanfiction.
Gonna wach the late UC stuff next followed by the AU's once I'm done with Zegapain wich I've been delaying for ages.
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You still got MS Igloo if you wanna go all the way for Early UC!
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On February 05 2017 04:09 Toadesstern wrote: at least Demi-chan carried the week
Nom nom nom. Tho sad no Satou-sensei.
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Haven't seen the week's Demi-chan but I'll note that it can carry, and I don't even worry about if it will be bad. It's good regularly and I don't think they're going to mess it up.
DragonMaid was good and is also a show I don't have any concerns about - it can carry too.
Youjo Senkai / Tanya the Evil I wasn't going to watch initially because the art style in the promos didn't look promising. But then I watched ep 1 because of boredom and continued to marathon up to 4. This week's was awesome. I like the conceit used for the plot - something of a fresh take. The scene Neo's got spoilered killed me.
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Started watching Yu Yu Hakusho recently. Just finished the latest master genki arc (well, tournament portion), enjoying it quite a bit. Guess it's not surprising seeing as the author is the same as HxH and it's supposedly had higher ratings than even DBZ during its run.
On February 05 2017 13:43 felisconcolori wrote: Haven't seen the week's Demi-chan but I'll note that it can carry, and I don't even worry about if it will be bad. It's good regularly and I don't think they're going to mess it up.
DragonMaid was good and is also a show I don't have any concerns about - it can carry too.
Youjo Senkai / Tanya the Evil I wasn't going to watch initially because the art style in the promos didn't look promising. But then I watched ep 1 because of boredom and continued to marathon up to 4. This week's was awesome. I like the conceit used for the plot - something of a fresh take. The scene Neo's got spoilered killed me. I wasn't planning to watch this but now I'll curious lol. Maybe I'll give it a go after all.
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Yu Yu Hakusho is a classic, even if it fell off after the Dark Tournament.
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On February 05 2017 15:16 Slaughter wrote: Yu Yu Hakusho is a classic, even if it fell off after the Dark Tournament. Is it? I never knew that. Just stumbled across it looking for anime to watch and started watching it eventually.
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YYH, Dragonball/DBZ, and Fist of the North Star pretty much defined Shounen as a genre.
The arc immediately after the Dark Tournament is solid too. I feel like the only weak arc in the show is the last one. It has a good build up, and then all the sudden its just like "Hey, remember the Dark Tournament? That was cool, right? Lets do that again! Except in like 4 episodes!"
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