EPTMy main gripe with the show is that its boring. It is literally just about showing off anime girl parts. That is boring no matter how over the top it is. It is simply not entertaining and reduces anime to just boobs and tits.
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
My main gripe with the show is that its boring. It is literally just about showing off anime girl parts. That is boring no matter how over the top it is. It is simply not entertaining and reduces anime to just boobs and tits. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On November 05 2016 09:14 Slaughter wrote: Yea the article is about the problematic exploitation of women depictions in media and how Keijo is like the apex of that trend on anime. Its not a good thing and a lot of people would have problems with it. Call it SJW if you want but its a perspective that many have and its pretty disingenuous to dismiss it that easily because of the great god of "there is a market for it". My main gripe with the show is that its boring. It is literally just about showing off anime girl parts. That is boring no matter how over the top it is. It is simply not entertaining and reduces anime to just boobs and tits. I'm not going to call it SJW, i just think it's a silly way to look at it. A similar show aired not too long ago, "Bakuon" which was just fanservice combined with girls riding bikes. But i thought that was boring, i didn't bother watching it even though i generally like fanservice because i found it to be boring. On the other hand i think keijo is fun completely regardless of its fanservice and i'd watch it if it was somehow possible to not have the fanservice in it. And again, you're free to dislike it or find it boring. I don't think anyone likes every single anime that's made each season. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Sure Free isn't trying to be trashy/comedic that way so despite it being obviously the same thing (abs to look at instead of tits), it takes itself seriously outside of that premise. And we all know there's fujo-bait as well that takes itself less serious but Free just being the popular one. So in my opinion this just comes down to wether or not you're somenoe who likes to watch Sharknado (not that I've ever watched it, but the title kinda implies it), twintails, KoreZom or other trashy shows like that and laugh about it being trashy. I can completely understand why people wouldn't like it. I would never recommend this to a girl or someone who likes his anime serious but I don't really see the issue as thaaaaat big. It's 2d tits and ass we're talking about here | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Additionally, its completely disingenuous to claim its only about fanservice. If you stripped away the fanservice completely, what you would be left with is traditional shounen anime that mirrors the classics. This is the same sort of stuff you'd get out of stuff like Dragonball or Yu Yu Hakusho. But if it stayed there, then it would truly be just another Shounen. A tried and true formula, but still just another show out there in a sea of sameness. But it takes a spin that not only sets it apart, the spin brings a hell of a lot more to the table. It has the same level of excitement as a good shounen anime, while at the same time being absolutely hilarious because of its subject matter, and still at the same time attractive due to the fanservice. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Also I disagree that take the fan service out and people would still like it, it would just be a generic shonen sports anime then with nothing to carry it. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Without the fanservice, it would indeed be a standard shounen anime. But there isn't anything wrong with standard shounen anime. Its a genre that has remains strong after what, 40 years? | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
As I mentioned I don't even fully agree with the perspective the author of that article is using to critique Keijo, I just acknowledge the value it does have (about Keijo within the greater context of over abundance of it in anime and media in general) while adding in my own opinion on Keijo that outside of fan service the show is severely lacking in offerings. There are fan service heavy shows that I do like, but they sell themselves to me with other things and Keijo doesn't have anything to sell to me personally. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On November 05 2016 10:43 Slaughter wrote: Kids can still have access to it, but that wasn't even what I was talking about. The demographic that it is targeted at is still influenced by media. Why do you think more balanced representation of minorities and women on TV/Movies has been something that has been pushed for in the US the last 15ish years? It isn't for the kids. As I mentioned I don't even fully agree with the perspective the author of that article is using to critique Keijo, I just acknowledge the value it does have (about Keijo within the greater context of over abundance of it in anime and media in general) while adding in my own opinion on Keijo that outside of fan service the show is severely lacking in offerings. There are fan service heavy shows that I do like, but they sell themselves to me with other things and Keijo doesn't have anything to sell to me personally. It's still up to the audience to view things critically and to not be influenced by media. These are adults; they're capable of thinking for themselves. And if they aren't, that isn't the fault of an anime, or any other form of art. Also Toad I can't believe you unironically linked a Gawker article. Of course it's trash. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:36 Ferrose wrote: It's still up to the audience to view things critically and to not be influenced by media. These are adults; they're capable of thinking for themselves. And if they aren't, that isn't the fault of an anime, or any other form of art. Also Toad I can't believe you unironically linked a Gawker article. Of course it's trash. In some sense yes but in many cases no. Even informed and intelligent people are influenced by media and most people are not informed nor intelligent. There are also varying degrees of influence that can reach into the conscious and the unconscious mind. Media and science have been looking into this issue for a while now and especially in the west you can see conscious efforts to change things over the last 20 years and it continues today. Media can normalize certain ideas within a culture if its a common message. So yes while there are certainly elements of personal responsibility many individuals for whatever reason can't or won't do it (or only selectively do it). | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:36 Ferrose wrote: It's still up to the audience to view things critically and to not be influenced by media. These are adults; they're capable of thinking for themselves. And if they aren't, that isn't the fault of an anime, or any other form of art. Also Toad I can't believe you unironically linked a Gawker article. Of course it's trash. But it was ironically... | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On November 05 2016 10:43 Slaughter wrote: Kids can still have access to it, but that wasn't even what I was talking about. The demographic that it is targeted at is still influenced by media. Why do you think more balanced representation of minorities and women on TV/Movies has been something that has been pushed for in the US the last 15ish years? It isn't for the kids. As I mentioned I don't even fully agree with the perspective the author of that article is using to critique Keijo, I just acknowledge the value it does have (about Keijo within the greater context of over abundance of it in anime and media in general) while adding in my own opinion on Keijo that outside of fan service the show is severely lacking in offerings. There are fan service heavy shows that I do like, but they sell themselves to me with other things and Keijo doesn't have anything to sell to me personally. Keijo's thing isn't its fanservice, it's its ridiculousness. If Keijo didn't have fanservice, they'd do something else and make it more ridiculous than usual. They'd take standard shounen and instead of being able to shoot energy beams they'd be throwing continents by episode 1 and planets by episode 2. | ||
Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On November 05 2016 03:16 IceHism wrote: Shokugeki 190 + Show Spoiler + Nice, Souma wins. I want this arc to end as fast as possible. But aww I wanted souma to say that he is doing it for Erina. + Show Spoiler + Frankly, I don't give a shit about any of this stuff. This fight was pretty boring overall. Just get it over with so we can finally see Rindou do something. | ||
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Miragee
8638 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:50 Slaughter wrote: In some sense yes but in many cases no. Even informed and intelligent people are influenced by media and most people are not informed nor intelligent. There are also varying degrees of influence that can reach into the conscious and the unconscious mind. Media and science have been looking into this issue for a while now and especially in the west you can see conscious efforts to change things over the last 20 years and it continues today. Media can normalize certain ideas within a culture if its a common message. So yes while there are certainly elements of personal responsibility many individuals for whatever reason can't or won't do it (or only selectively do it). This is a good point. Anime has been pushing fanservice at an increasing manner into the viewer's consciousness. The problem here isn't that a few individuals are able to still differentiate. The problem isn't even the fanservice in one show in general. The problem is the progress that is made and that more and more people become increasingly accepting towards fanservice. This leads to more and more shows build around that premise or that are using cheap fanservice to make up for the poor writing of plot and characters. Thus fewer shows, that are actually good, are being made because it's easier for the creators to shit some senseless script and add some fanservice than to actually create a good show. That happens in western TV as well btw. It has been creeping in here for the past couple decades. Now we have shows in germany like Bauer sucht Frau (Farmer is looking for a wife), Adam und Eva (basically naked dates), Dschungel Camp (stars in a jungle camp eating kangeroo shit) etc. etc. which are getting the most viewers. And it probably all "started" with Big Brother. It's honestly sickening. | ||
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Lackbleeder
741 Posts
-The OVA market died off while Late-night anime got more and more popular. Ecchi shows that would be OVA's in the 90's are just TV shows that air after midnight nowadays. (Like this one for example.) -Most ecchi shows don't stand the test of time. The are rarely loved, recommended or praised and are just made for a quick buck. -There's a lot more anime coming out each season wich is why they seem more common. Proportionally it's still the same amount or close to it. Also relevant | ||
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sharkie
Austria18587 Posts
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Miragee
8638 Posts
On November 05 2016 21:09 sharkie wrote: I dont consider it even fanservice... Japan is just not a prude country like the US or Europe where when a little skin is shown everyone closes their eyes and finds it morally wrong or gets horny like a teenager (hbo series profit because they show sex the whole time). Its just normal in Japan... Yeah of course. That's why in every second anime characters flip out because they think about holding hands or see someones bare upper body etc. That's also why you can buy used slippers from vending machines in japan because that's actually more lewd than seeing a woman in said slipper. I don't know if you noticed but it's very, very rare in anime to show sex or even imply it, aside from hentai. And even hentai shows are often censored. I think it's pretty common in japan to be prude on the outside and perverted on the inside. Just like in europe and the US. | ||
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Denmark14978 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On November 05 2016 19:58 Miragee wrote: This is a good point. Anime has been pushing fanservice at an increasing manner into the viewer's consciousness. The problem here isn't that a few individuals are able to still differentiate. The problem isn't even the fanservice in one show in general. The problem is the progress that is made and that more and more people become increasingly accepting towards fanservice. This leads to more and more shows build around that premise or that are using cheap fanservice to make up for the poor writing of plot and characters. Thus fewer shows, that are actually good, are being made because it's easier for the creators to shit some senseless script and add some fanservice than to actually create a good show. That happens in western TV as well btw. It has been creeping in here for the past couple decades. Now we have shows in germany like Bauer sucht Frau (Farmer is looking for a wife), Adam und Eva (basically naked dates), Dschungel Camp (stars in a jungle camp eating kangeroo shit) etc. etc. which are getting the most viewers. And it probably all "started" with Big Brother. It's honestly sickening. You can't blame content creators for giving people what they want though. They wouldn't make shows like that if no one watched it. If people don't want fanservice shows to get made, then they need to stop watching them. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 05 2016 19:58 Miragee wrote: This is a good point. Anime has been pushing fanservice at an increasing manner into the viewer's consciousness. The problem here isn't that a few individuals are able to still differentiate. The problem isn't even the fanservice in one show in general. The problem is the progress that is made and that more and more people become increasingly accepting towards fanservice. This leads to more and more shows build around that premise or that are using cheap fanservice to make up for the poor writing of plot and characters. Thus fewer shows, that are actually good, are being made because it's easier for the creators to shit some senseless script and add some fanservice than to actually create a good show. That happens in western TV as well btw. It has been creeping in here for the past couple decades. Now we have shows in germany like Bauer sucht Frau (Farmer is looking for a wife), Adam und Eva (basically naked dates), Dschungel Camp (stars in a jungle camp eating kangeroo shit) etc. etc. which are getting the most viewers. And it probably all "started" with Big Brother. It's honestly sickening. Imo only the second part would be a problem. Yes there are shows that get fanservice slapped onto them because the show otherwise wouldn't be interesting enough. But Keijo is the former in that the fanservice wasn't an afterthought but instead the center of what this show is and how it gets its ridiculousness in the first place. Clearly this wouldn't be as much of a hit without that. And imo there's nothing wrong with that. | ||
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