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On October 19 2016 12:41 IceHism wrote:
Just read the review and I agree with the first paragraph. I was wondering why you hated it so much with its pretty good visuals and okay audio but if your main gripe is with the story then I agree. I personally didn't see it as anything except Porter's music with some nice animated sequences. Essentially a music video. Which is why I could sort of say "oh these effects are pretty neat" and leave it at that. I'm surprised people are emotionally touched though.
If we were in an ideal world, I'd agree, but all the other reviews are basically talking about how the story is surprisingly good and that they got so emotional over it. T_T
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On October 19 2016 10:57 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Some guy wrote to me:
"Yea, maybe you should work on trying not to be edgy for the sake of being edgy. Have fun trying to function like a normal human in society with that toxic attitude. You disqualified yourself from reasonable discussion first for giving a 1 to a series that clearly didn't deserve it and intrinsically claiming that something that doesn't align with how you view the world is thus shit. Also, try to work on sounding less condescending when you're offering an "opinion" to the table. That doesn't really lend it's way to reasonable discussion when you always imagine yourself on a podium several miles higher than the one you're trying to "discuss" things with. Try not to contaminate any more art with your toxicity."
I laughed.
Wow, the salt is real. I liked it and you did bring up some excellent points, shame they can't respect someone else's opinion and at least try to see things from their perspective. I personally didn't pay attention to the story that much, I only watched it for the music and visuals, but on a second viewing where I did pay attention to the story, it was pretty much what you said
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Znf if you could make some changes in the mv what would they be?
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This made me laugh
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Canada8033 Posts
If nothing else, it's pretty funny that people are praising a six minute music video for being emotionally touching. Doubly so when half of it is basically dedicated to fanservice.
On October 19 2016 07:35 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 07:12 Spazer wrote:On October 19 2016 06:39 Miragee wrote:On October 19 2016 06:05 Toadesstern wrote:On October 19 2016 06:02 Lackbleeder wrote:When players access the game's website and join the game, it will ask for access to a user's Twitter account. Once accessed, it will scan the user's tweets, which will then shape the words and personality of the user's own version of Premiere. Users can also converse with Premiere to teach her words and shape her personality. The site features an animated Premiere who will move in accordance with her personality. Reminds me of this funny article from a while back yeah that's what I thought about as well. They incidentally also had a japanese version and that turned into a animenerd always complaining about pollen and allergies iirc I remember that. Why do they still do stuff like this? Because learning algorithms are complex and mimicking real speech patterns is difficult. That wasn't my question though.
Did I misinterpret or something? You replied to an article about Microsoft's chatbot, so I thought you were asking why they still make chatbots.
If you were questioning why they make these girlfriend apps, it's the same as why any product gets made - because people will buy it. The secondary answer is that getting people to converse with a bot gives you extremely valuable data. The company that developed the algorithm is surely interested in that.
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When I compare Shelter to other short anime set to music like Furiko, Tsumiki no Ie, the Daicon opening animation, the story is bad, but how much does the music play into it?
My notes after a rewatch:
+ Show Spoiler +How come the dad couldn't generate other people inside this beyond state of the art simulation? There's some FPS drops that are pretty distracting. Visuals are nice, but nothing too outstanding. Music is about what I expect from Porter Robinson, it won't be something I listen to frequently but I wouldn't turn it off if it came on the radio. Why the constant reminder of the girl's lack of messages in the past 2578 days? That seems like it would cause some serious issues for her. Really, the whole idea of Mars crashing into the Earth is kind of ridiculous. I would've gone with something else like biological warfare like in Planetarian.
Regarding Zergneedsfood's review on the video:
+ Show Spoiler +Given how the girl has all those wires coming in and out of her in the glorified iron lung, I don't know if it would be possible for the dad to do the same for himself
Overall, it really doesn't hold up to scrutiny after looking at it critically, but it's not the worst thing I've ever seen. Feeling a light to decent 3
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Canada8033 Posts
It doesn't really? Unless you count being background music for a flashback as playing into it.
I also just realized that it was done by A-1, of all studios. Why can't you put this level of effort into your actual fucking shows?
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I think I'm going to rewatch Hourou Musuko, the more I've personally become involved with the LGBT comminuty, the more I think it would be good to rewatch it
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toad im gonna go sleep. ill be up in like 5-6 hours.
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Canada8033 Posts
Scans of Genshiken Niidaime are finally complete.
It was certainly different from the original (perhaps too different), but overall, I still liked it. The new cast was pretty decent. Saki is somehow still the best character despite showing up in roughly two chapters. I guess that's a testament to how great a character she was.
The subject matter was what made the original Genshiken stand out to me. Rather than an sol about otaku, I think it was framed more as an sol about people who happen to be otaku. Niidaime sorta continues the trend with Hato's arc. On the other hand, Madrarame's arc only serves to tie up loose ends from the original, and really didn't explore anything interesting. He also stole time and focus from the new characters for very little gain. It was also far too long for what it was.
At least there's still Spotted Flower.
In any case, if Yonensei and Gonensei are any indication, I'll happily read whatever the mangaka puts out next.
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On October 19 2016 10:57 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Some guy wrote to me:
"Yea, maybe you should work on trying not to be edgy for the sake of being edgy. Have fun trying to function like a normal human in society with that toxic attitude. You disqualified yourself from reasonable discussion first for giving a 1 to a series that clearly didn't deserve it and intrinsically claiming that something that doesn't align with how you view the world is thus shit. Also, try to work on sounding less condescending when you're offering an "opinion" to the table. That doesn't really lend it's way to reasonable discussion when you always imagine yourself on a podium several miles higher than the one you're trying to "discuss" things with. Try not to contaminate any more art with your toxicity."
I laughed.
lol, talk about pointing with the finger at others instead of pointing it at oneself first.
On October 19 2016 14:18 Spazer wrote:If nothing else, it's pretty funny that people are praising a six minute music video for being emotionally touching. Doubly so when half of it is basically dedicated to fanservice. Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 07:35 Miragee wrote:On October 19 2016 07:12 Spazer wrote:On October 19 2016 06:39 Miragee wrote:On October 19 2016 06:05 Toadesstern wrote:On October 19 2016 06:02 Lackbleeder wrote:When players access the game's website and join the game, it will ask for access to a user's Twitter account. Once accessed, it will scan the user's tweets, which will then shape the words and personality of the user's own version of Premiere. Users can also converse with Premiere to teach her words and shape her personality. The site features an animated Premiere who will move in accordance with her personality. Reminds me of this funny article from a while back yeah that's what I thought about as well. They incidentally also had a japanese version and that turned into a animenerd always complaining about pollen and allergies iirc I remember that. Why do they still do stuff like this? Because learning algorithms are complex and mimicking real speech patterns is difficult. That wasn't my question though. Did I misinterpret or something? You replied to an article about Microsoft's chatbot, so I thought you were asking why they still make chatbots. If you were questioning why they make these girlfriend apps, it's the same as why any product gets made - because people will buy it. The secondary answer is that getting people to converse with a bot gives you extremely valuable data. The company that developed the algorithm is surely interested in that.
Yeah my question wasn't why they still make chatbots in general, to test things out and get a better idea of how they the algorithm they used works in practice. It was rather a rethoric question, why they would implement an obsiously unsophisticated technology in a commercial product. Your second answer to that is correct of course but imho it shouldn't be that way.
//watched Shelter now. I really liked the visuals. The Dreamworld was very well visualised and the animation/cuts were well done. I disliked the rest though, even the music. Going to read that infamous znf review now.
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On October 19 2016 14:58 plasmidghost wrote:
I think I'm going to rewatch Hourou Musuko, the more I've personally become involved with the LGBT comminuty, the more I think it would be good to rewatch it
I LOVE THIS SHOW OMG IT'S AMAAAAAZING
On October 19 2016 13:59 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Znf if you could make some changes in the mv what would they be? + Show Spoiler +This made me laugh
I applaud Sentenal's push for solidarity.
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On October 19 2016 13:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 12:41 IceHism wrote:
Just read the review and I agree with the first paragraph. I was wondering why you hated it so much with its pretty good visuals and okay audio but if your main gripe is with the story then I agree. I personally didn't see it as anything except Porter's music with some nice animated sequences. Essentially a music video. Which is why I could sort of say "oh these effects are pretty neat" and leave it at that. I'm surprised people are emotionally touched though. If we were in an ideal world, I'd agree, but all the other reviews are basically talking about how the story is surprisingly good and that they got so emotional over it. T_T
I'm reading all the delicious NaCl on your profile. It's too good.
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People telling you to kill yourself, lmao
The comments you've received honestly makes /a/ look like a friendly and polite community in comparison
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On October 19 2016 18:52 Unleashing wrote:
People telling you to kill yourself, lmao
The comments you've received honestly make /a/ look like a friendly and polite community in comparison
Really? Whenever I go on /a/ to shitpost, I definitely get told to kill myself like at least 10 times in 10 different ways.
Very amusing, but definitely a lot harsher.
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On October 19 2016 18:55 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 18:52 Unleashing wrote:
People telling you to kill yourself, lmao
The comments you've received honestly make /a/ look like a friendly and polite community in comparison Really? Whenever I go on /a/ to shitpost, I definitely get told to kill myself like at least 10 times in 10 different ways. Very amusing, but definitely a lot harsher.
Sure but being told to kill yourself on /a/ means something very different than being told to kill yourself on MAL, IMHO. On /a/ you know it's 99% tongue in cheek, on MAL however, i'm not so sure that it's a joke at all and it just comes across as genuinely worrisome that someone would write that.
YMMV.
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I thought that review was good. The video probably doesn't deserve a 1 and a 2-4 rating would be fairer I guess but that's not the point here.
Also read through some salt on your page. Nice. At times like these I always ask myself if those people, that send you death threats etc. with appalling spelling and gramma, are just trolls or really that stupid. For example, I thought this one must be a troll for sure:
"so you are a troll who shits on every good anime
i dont think you understod the hided mesege betwen shelter
wich is really easy to understand
so if you could please kill yourself
and i mean it"
Then I took a look at their profile and wasn't so sure anymore.
To be fair, some decent points were made as well. For example some seemingly hypocritical ratings. However, that doesn't make your review any less true.
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On October 19 2016 19:15 Miragee wrote:
I thought that review was good. The video probably doesn't deserve a 1 and a 2-4 rating would be fairer I guess but that's not the point here.
Also read through some salt on your page. Nice. At times like these I always ask myself if those people, that send you death threats etc. with appalling spelling and gramma, are just trolls or really that stupid. For example, I thought this one must be a troll for sure:
"so you are a troll who shits on every good anime
i dont think you understod the hided mesege betwen shelter
wich is really easy to understand
so if you could please kill yourself
and i mean it"
Then I took a look at their profile and wasn't so sure anymore.
To be fair, some decent points were made as well. For example some seemingly hypocritical ratings. However, that doesn't make your review any less true.
exactly what I think. I agree with pretty much everything ZNF says in the review, at the end of the day I'd still give it a 4 myself because (pleb incomming) the animation WAS nice and it's a (big?) part of it no matter how shitty the story was.
Yes it shit the bed with the story but I can say I've seen worse.
But the comments are pretty funny. I also really enjoyed reading ZNFs review. I knew he knows how to write but damn
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On October 19 2016 19:15 Miragee wrote:To be fair, some decent points were made as well. For example some seemingly hypocritical ratings. However, that doesn't make your review any less true.
I don't think it's hypocritical. I don't think the point of my review is that "lol it's cute girls in melancholic situations, it's inherently shallow."
The point is that's the only thing going for it. Moe in general is about presenting us with characters that galvanize our sympathies, but there is often something more to it. Not related to moe, but in something like House of Cubes, which is a really nice short, an old man with no really attractive physical qualities manages to make us emotionally engaged to his plight on top of being creative.
There's a very similar theme of loneliness and memory in both, but I feel like House of Cubes comes out infinitely more engaging and thoughtful because it doesn't rely on the crux of the physical appearance of its main character to carry our sympathies and affection.
To say that Aria is similar would be to miss the, I don't know, the 60+ chapters of development. I love tons of moe shows, don't get me wrong, but there's a massive difference between liking them because they are moe and hating Shelter because it exemplifies everything I find wrong with abusing moe to the point of being manipulative.
Also that poster in general I've always assumed was a huge sack of shit, so I just memed him until he went away butthurt. ^_^
On October 19 2016 19:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 19:15 Miragee wrote:
I thought that review was good. The video probably doesn't deserve a 1 and a 2-4 rating would be fairer I guess but that's not the point here.
Also read through some salt on your page. Nice. At times like these I always ask myself if those people, that send you death threats etc. with appalling spelling and gramma, are just trolls or really that stupid. For example, I thought this one must be a troll for sure:
"so you are a troll who shits on every good anime
i dont think you understod the hided mesege betwen shelter
wich is really easy to understand
so if you could please kill yourself
and i mean it"
Then I took a look at their profile and wasn't so sure anymore.
To be fair, some decent points were made as well. For example some seemingly hypocritical ratings. However, that doesn't make your review any less true. exactly what I think. I agree with pretty much everything ZNF says in the review, at the end of the day I'd still give it a 4 myself because (pleb incomming) the animation WAS nice and it's a (big?) part of it no matter how shitty the story was. Yes it shit the bed with the story but I can say I've seen worse. But the comments are pretty funny. I also really enjoyed reading ZNFs review. I knew he knows how to write but damn
what no that's totally fair
a 4 is fine. even a 10 if you said that you just rated it based on the animation/visuals/music, because it is really good looking
i'm just being edgy fam :D
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On October 19 2016 19:32 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 19:15 Miragee wrote:To be fair, some decent points were made as well. For example some seemingly hypocritical ratings. However, that doesn't make your review any less true. I don't think it's hypocritical. I don't think the point of my review is that "lol it's cute girls in melancholic situations, it's inherently shallow." The point is that's the only thing going for it. Moe in general is about presenting us with characters that galvanize our sympathies, but there is often something more to it. Not related to moe, but in something like House of Cubes, which is a really nice short, an old man with no really attractive physical qualities manages to make us emotionally engaged to his plight on top of being creative. There's a very similar theme of loneliness and memory in both, but I feel like House of Cubes comes out infinitely more engaging and thoughtful because it doesn't rely on the crux of the physical appearance of its main character to carry our sympathies and affection. To say that Aria is similar would be to miss the, I don't know, the 60+ chapters of development. I love tons of moe shows, don't get me wrong, but there's a massive difference between liking them because they are moe and hating Shelter because it exemplifies everything I find wrong with abusing moe to the point of being manipulative. Also that poster in general I've always assumed was a huge sack of shit, so I just memed him until he went away butthurt. ^_^
Yeah, I agree and I kind of expected you to reply like this. I haven't watched Aria so I can't say whether it's an appropiate example or not (probably not though). I was rather playing at the fact that you gave stuff like K-ON, which is clearly more moe without much substance than anything else, an 8/10. It's more of a tongue-in-cheek comment coming from me though.
And yes, House of Cubes was excellent and it's a great example in this occasion. Clearly shows how something like this is done correctly as opposed to Shelter.
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Oh yea.
K-On is love. K-On is life.
Also, just as a serious response to your tongue in cheek, K-On does not try to present itself as anything more than a moe show IMO. This is legit trying to be some sort of sci-fi tragedy about Worst Dad of the 21st Century.
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