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On July 22 2015 18:06 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2015 17:35 Unleashing wrote:
If you cut out the scrub squad shit i thought s2 was fine, but everything scrub squad was awful Wasn't the scrub squad in S1? It at least had Rudy who was pretty funny. Some other chars like Henrietta were awful and made me facepalm a lot. I also will not agree that Log Horizon is superior to SAO in every way. I prefer SAO S1 over LH simply because the fights are done much better (that's still the case in SAO S2) and I enjoyed the tense situations in SAO.
Scrub squad was much more prevalent in season 2. More specifically, when they took over screentime for several episodes. LH1 was good, interesting but LH2 was terrible at times. It'll get interesting for several episodes then it'll become bad for several more.
As for the SAO comparison, I think they're different enough that I can't say I prefer one over the other. We knew Kirito was going to be OP from the first time we saw him helping out the group in episode 1 (or maybe 2, don't remember) and that's what happened. Both shows had different approaches to fights (LH was closer to an actual WoW fight compared to SAO which was more Kirito being OP and getting some support lol).
On July 22 2015 19:54 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2015 18:04 Miragee wrote:
Ok.
Well, it seems like World Trigger will "continue" airing in fall. As we all know, the current season will end at the end of summer with ep50 but now a new season has been announced to air in fall. It will be original though, not an adaption. I guess they aren't able to close it out in s1 with the time they have left and write an ending with s2? Probably more to do with toei decision to 'finish' the series while it is still hot after season1, because I don't see the original will be ended in the next 3-5years or so. The world(s) setting is good and the writer is taking his time to develop tonnes of characters so it is interesting to see where is it heading. It is a great shounen (with a MC without much shounen-halo) to look out for if anyone wants to start chasing one haha.
it's been great so far but I hope that the anime original ending ends up being good and not bizzare or something. Might pick this one up after season 1 ends and just read/watch both.
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I wouldn't say SAO is a VRMMORPG story. It presents itself as one but it doesn't play out at all like a RPG or MMO. It's more like they got transferred to a fantasy world just like LH(But LH has game rules and another set of evolution which is interesting). If the author actually bothered to keep consistent rules like a game would have it would be a different story.
That's why I say it's just generic fantasy. It plays out exactly like any other generic power fantasy stories. It smartly ropes in people that want the "game" aspect by acting like it's that kind of story while not actually giving them that at all. I highly doubt we'd even mention SAO if it didn't lie about what it was. People would write it over as another generic fantasy story lol.
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why do people bring that always up... noone in here claimed LH was compareable to SAO, everyone knows they're completly different and suddenly everyone talks about "well yeah but you can't compare them because they're different" oO
The closest we had was some guy saying he prefers LH over SAO and I can say I liked monogatari more than Nyaruko despite them being totally different. Doesn't mean I think they're alike.
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the Aincarn arc in SAO was really great imho. There was a true tension, where you could actually die. The romance in the first arc was ok too, and the animation was top level.
Everything after that never existed for me.
LH was ok because I enjoy political fantasy stuff, and strategies but there was way too much fluff and random BS at times. And the animation was garbage in comparison to SAO.
And Overlord was really slow, but it looks like it is turning into something interesting. It seems like politics will takes part of the story, the animation is okayish too. Will see.
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On July 22 2015 21:52 Numy wrote:
I wouldn't say SAO is a VRMMORPG story. It presents itself as one but it doesn't play out at all like a RPG or MMO. It's more like they got transferred to a fantasy world just like LH(But LH has game rules and another set of evolution which is interesting). If the author actually bothered to keep consistent rules like a game would have it would be a different story.
That's why I say it's just generic fantasy. It plays out exactly like any other generic power fantasy stories. It smartly ropes in people that want the "game" aspect by acting like it's that kind of story while not actually giving them that at all. I highly doubt we'd even mention SAO if it didn't lie about what it was. People would write it over as another generic fantasy story lol.
Hardly, if they got whisked to another world, then half of the more important events in the story couldn't take place outside in the real world. Like Accel World. They basically popularized the vrmmorpg concept.
If I had to make a compare/contrast, vrmmorpg connect fantasy world to real life while isekai just straight up brings you into a fantasy world with mostly zero ways to get back.
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On July 22 2015 21:58 Toadesstern wrote:
why do people bring that always up... noone in here claimed LH was compareable to SAO, everyone knows they're completly different and suddenly everyone talks about "well yeah but you can't compare them because they're different" oO
The closest we had was some guy saying he prefers LH over SAO and I can say I liked monogatari more than Nyaruko despite them being totally different. Doesn't mean I think they're alike.
yep, they are different. So, what's your point? that you don't like people mentioning it over and over out of the blue? Anyways, as I said in my post, I don't really have a preference, because, I think certain parts of each was done well while the other parts were pretty bad.
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On July 22 2015 22:09 IceHism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2015 21:52 Numy wrote:
I wouldn't say SAO is a VRMMORPG story. It presents itself as one but it doesn't play out at all like a RPG or MMO. It's more like they got transferred to a fantasy world just like LH(But LH has game rules and another set of evolution which is interesting). If the author actually bothered to keep consistent rules like a game would have it would be a different story.
That's why I say it's just generic fantasy. It plays out exactly like any other generic power fantasy stories. It smartly ropes in people that want the "game" aspect by acting like it's that kind of story while not actually giving them that at all. I highly doubt we'd even mention SAO if it didn't lie about what it was. People would write it over as another generic fantasy story lol. Hardly, if they got whisked to another world, then half of the more important events in the story couldn't take place outside in the real world. Like Accel World. They basically popularized the vrmmorpg concept. If I had to make a compare/contrast, vrmmorpg connect fantasy world to real life while isekai just straight up brings you into a fantasy world with mostly zero ways to get back.
So? I don't really see how that matters. The author merely realized how his story had nothing to do with games and later tried to tie them together somehow in later volumes(Even then he completely disregards them in order for the MC to fulfill the power fantasy). Doesn't change the initial SAO novel.
Look at something like Dog Days. That could effectively be run as a VRMMORPG and nothing would change. If that's how your definition works.
Anyway this isn't going anywhere. I just have a problem with people calling it a story about MMORPGs. The story uses that as a cheap gimmick and discards it the first chance it gets to for it's MC. I have no problem with it being just a normal power fantasy. Think it does that fairly well.
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On July 22 2015 16:47 Sufficiency wrote:
Awkward random question:
So, the way Tsuyuki Kumin is written in the show chuu-2 is actually 五月七日 くみん.
Isn't that the same as Tsuyuki Kohane in xxxHolic (五月七日小羽)? Do people actually write their last names like this, or is this something CLAMP invented? It feels really weird if this is something CLAMP invented.
It's a valid form in Japan, yes, but it is extremely rare. Of course it is much more common in anime than irl, like Takanashi
http://myoji-yurai.net/searchResult.htm?myojiKanji=五月七日
Akatsuki was great in Log Horizon except for her arc, which was totally random and weird in novel as well.
Overlord on the other hand will take quite a bit to ramp up, though we will get to some good parts... eventually at current pace. Seems like they are aiming for 3 vols
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On July 22 2015 22:16 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2015 21:58 Toadesstern wrote:
why do people bring that always up... noone in here claimed LH was compareable to SAO, everyone knows they're completly different and suddenly everyone talks about "well yeah but you can't compare them because they're different" oO
The closest we had was some guy saying he prefers LH over SAO and I can say I liked monogatari more than Nyaruko despite them being totally different. Doesn't mean I think they're alike. yep, they are different. So, what's your point? that you don't like people mentioning it over and over out of the blue? Anyways, as I said in my post, I don't really have a preference, because, I think certain parts of each was done well while the other parts were pretty bad.
yeah, because the way it's done with LH/SAO is always that people get in here and repeat the same old story everyone knows, noone wants to hear it and it just looks like people who want to show they know their shit about anime in an humongous circlejerk, rather than actual discussion about anime... At least that's the way I see all these LH/SAO discussions. Everyone knows it already, why even bring it up when there was noone who disagreed with the statement to begin with.
I think I got how Sent feels everytime we start talking about animals.
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On July 22 2015 22:02 Faust852 wrote:
the Aincarn arc in SAO was really great imho. There was a true tension, where you could actually die. The romance in the first arc was ok too, and the animation was top level.
Everything after that never existed for me.
LH was ok because I enjoy political fantasy stuff, and strategies but there was way too much fluff and random BS at times. And the animation was garbage in comparison to SAO.
And Overlord was really slow, but it looks like it is turning into something interesting. It seems like politics will takes part of the story, the animation is okayish too. Will see.
i liked the first 3 episodes of Aincrad Arc
the rest ? not so much (well the rest of the episodes are not completely godawful like the next season but uhm they are ok i guess)
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^ lol, what did I just read? :S
On July 22 2015 22:31 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2015 22:16 BigFan wrote:On July 22 2015 21:58 Toadesstern wrote:
why do people bring that always up... noone in here claimed LH was compareable to SAO, everyone knows they're completly different and suddenly everyone talks about "well yeah but you can't compare them because they're different" oO
The closest we had was some guy saying he prefers LH over SAO and I can say I liked monogatari more than Nyaruko despite them being totally different. Doesn't mean I think they're alike. yep, they are different. So, what's your point? that you don't like people mentioning it over and over out of the blue? Anyways, as I said in my post, I don't really have a preference, because, I think certain parts of each was done well while the other parts were pretty bad. yeah, because the way it's done with LH/SAO is always that people get in here and repeat the same old story everyone knows, noone wants to hear it and it just looks like people who want to show they know their shit about anime in an humongous circlejerk, rather than actual discussion about anime... At least that's the way I see all these LH/SAO discussions. Everyone knows it already, why even bring it up when there was noone who disagreed with the statement to begin with. I think I got how Sent feels everytime we start talking about animals.
it's really not that big of a deal Toad -_-
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I can see why people will like Overlord over LH, but I still prefer LH so far. Overlord has better animation, fan service and Ainz is OP. Ainz is cautious to the point where it's excessive reminding me of Shiroe's inner thoughts in the LN except Ainz is so OP he can actually do every precaution. The fights in Overlord are well animated but they're just stomps so far, I prefer LH's ep 2 battle vs PKs over Ainz just testing how OP he was against bandits. I love LH though it is flawed having a ton of pacing issues especially in S2. The conclusions to every arc was almost always satisfying though and yes the newbie arc in S2 was terrible though good in S1. I'm hopeful for Overlord, but it's not too impressive yet.
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You guys all have got SAO wrong. Its a shitty scifi show thats pretending to be a shitty VRMMORPG thats pretending to be shitty fantasy.
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I am always confused about SAO and its popularity. In every way it looked like a shit show to me. I might just happened to be very biased.
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If we could drop it on SAO... it only makes for a bland consensual rehashing of a discussion every time. And an exercise in how to use "shit" as an adjective, too. Shit show, shit taste, shit pleb, you know the drill.
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Himouto was meh this week. I hope they start focusing more on Umaru-chan doing himouto things again.
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 seems monmusu ep 4 might skip chapter 7 since the preview showed stuff from both 8 and 9
rip dreams of seeing that animated
probably too lewd for TV airing, maybe saving it for BDs or an ova
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SAO is an average show with about average production values. The hate it gets is to counterbalance the undeserved love it gets. Pretty simple.
Anyways, I finished up Ergo Proxy.
+ Show Spoiler +This was almost perfect. I love that show so much, definitely one of my favourites. The whole world was so interesting, characters were good and the story has been really well told. But where the show really exceled at was the atmosphere. The dark colors, designs of the city and outskirts, the haunting music, the narrator (watched dub) it all matched so perfectly together: I was completely encaptured by it. I also really liked the ending. It wasn't really something one would expect but it didn't feel like an asspull, either. I also liked how the final episode was called Deus Ex Machina.
So, I think this show deserves a 10/10. But I just can't do it. And that's because I'm still salty about episode 15 and 19. I mean I'm fine with directors trying something new and the episodes themselves weren't exactly bad on their own (I still thought they were much weaker than the rest of the show)... but these episodes not only destroyed the atmosphere of the show, they also destroyed the integrity of the world, leaving big plotholes behind. And it's not like I can pretend that those episodes never happened because they have been referenced in later episodes again and again. The plot assumed they happened (e.g. everyone suddenly knew Vincent was Ergo Proxy after ep15). And no, one can't just explain it with "Proxy One did all that". 9 it is. Man, I'm so salty. I hate it when I watch a show that is so perfect to get a potential 10 but then the creators screw up big time.
Wtf happened? I don't understand.
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And now the SAO discussion is complete. The thinly veiled apologist with the "people only hate it because its popular" post.
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