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boon2537
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States905 Posts
June 27 2015 13:02 GMT
#101241
Oregairu:
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What a chiffhanger ending.... At least the next season should be epic since everything's been set up.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
June 27 2015 13:17 GMT
#101242
Hestia 3/10
Lili 4/10
Aiz 6/10
Ryu 7.5/10
Syr 7/10

rest w/e.

Don't ponytail the Kumiko, she must remain fluffy.
WriterXiao8~~
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
June 27 2015 13:21 GMT
#101243
On June 27 2015 22:02 boon2537 wrote:
Oregairu:
+ Show Spoiler +
What a chiffhanger ending.... At least the next season should be epic since everything's been set up.

most prob no third season.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 13:41:11
June 27 2015 13:31 GMT
#101244
I already said that i didn't consider Lili or what she did evil, because of her situation.
But that doesn't magically make what she did not awful or excuse it and make it all okay, being an awful person doesn't necessarily make you evil. I don't think Lili was ever in any way shape or form evil.

But, people are responsible for their own actions, even if their situation were incredibly shitty.
+ Show Spoiler +
In my native tongue we have an idiom that roughly translated to "Thief thinks every man steals" which roughly explains Lili's character.
She was forced into being an awful person and then she thought everyone else without exception were also awful people and to her this somehow justified her tricking them before they could potentially trick her.
But that doesn't actually justify her actions to me, you're never justified in being awful to strangers just because people were awful to you.
That's just being an awful person.

If you like Lili that's fine, but i still feel the story did an absolutely awful job at redeeming her, it was just one sob scene and then everything is supposedly redeemed and forgiven.
I just don't buy that. It felt far too sudden and its suddenness made her backstabbing Bell all the more idiotic imo.

I think i would've liked her as a character if the story had done a good or atleast a better job at redeeming her, although who knows, might just be the anime losing some things in the transition of LN->Anime.

Also honestly i laughed pretty hard when she was buttmad at that guy for dragging a ton of monsters their way and almost getting their party killed, because that was essentially what she herself just recently had done.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 13:38:20
June 27 2015 13:32 GMT
#101245
Lili is the worst prolly . And idk how anybody could like aiz she's literally like a AI. I'd rather have Hestia than Aiz her character is too bland.

The maids are top tier.
this is a quote
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
June 27 2015 13:37 GMT
#101246
Goody I like you, but don't talk shit about my Aiz-tan.
Skol
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 27 2015 13:42 GMT
#101247
you are all fools doomed to eternal oblivion!
+ Show Spoiler +
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Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 27 2015 13:44 GMT
#101248
Ryuu #1
Syr was meido-tier
Twins were pretty great.
Aiz was pretty good too
I don't mind hestia overall since i honestly don't mind obsessive characters.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 14:04:05
June 27 2015 13:52 GMT
#101249
On June 27 2015 22:31 Unleashing wrote:
I already said that i didn't consider Lili or what she did evil, because of her situation.
But that doesn't magically make what she did not awful or excuse it and make it all okay, being an awful person doesn't necessarily make you evil. I don't think Lili was ever in any way shape or form evil.

But, people are responsible for their own actions, even if their situation were incredibly shitty.
+ Show Spoiler +
In my native tongue we have an idiom that roughly translated to "Thief thinks every man steals" which roughly explains Lili's character.
She was forced into being an awful person and then she thought everyone else without exception were also awful people and to her this somehow justified her tricking them before they could potentially trick her.
But that doesn't actually justify her actions to me, you're never justified in being awful to strangers just because people were awful to you.
That's just being an awful person.

If you like Lili that's fine, but i still feel the story did an absolutely awful job at redeeming her, it was just one sob scene and then everything is supposedly redeemed and forgiven.
I just don't buy that. It felt far too sudden and its suddenness made her backstabbing Bell all the more idiotic imo.

I think i would've liked her as a character if the story had done a good or atleast a better job at redeeming her, although who knows, might just be the anime losing some things in the transition of LN->Anime.

Also honestly i laughed pretty hard when she was buttmad at that guy for dragging a ton of monsters their way and almost getting their party killed, because that was essentially what she herself just recently had done.


if you agree that "character can change" (ie you dont believe "once a thief, always a thief" then think in most redemption scenarios you would have some sort of redemption process. the redemption process given to lili was having her cry a HELL of a lot and beg for forgiveness (iirc) and then repeatedly show her wonderment and disbelief in how someone can be so nice to her. you ALSO get hestia telling her she will never forget what she done. to me that is enough. to me that is a reasonable process of redemption (they did cheapen it however right at the end when lili immediately contests hestia right after hestia has been giving her a telling-off). the whole point is that she was bitter and evil (yes she WAS turned evil thats the whole point) but is now completely loyal and indebt to the person she betrayed. that is what is portrayed to us and that is what i believe.

i am still waiting for lili doujinshi but there is none

nsfw
+ Show Spoiler +

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Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44282 Posts
June 27 2015 13:57 GMT
#101250
+ Show Spoiler [YAHARI FINALE] +

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MAMAGAHAMA

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alright Yui what you doing

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in the end Hachiman prevented the supposedly splitting that would happen because of love and now Hachiman is going to the Harem End

overall this episode is nice with all the entertaining exchange banter between characters but in the end NOTHING HAPPENED i mean shit just got postponed which we may never see again cause it'll probably not get any budget and i'd wait for the english translation of the next volumes of the Ln



8/10 this season of yahari is ok

On June 27 2015 22:37 Emnjay808 wrote:
Goody I like you, but don't talk shit about my Aiz-tan.

rofl it's ok MJ i don't hate you but Aiz-tan is shit and meido's are the best nothing is gonna change that.

Also Hestia is gucchi.
this is a quote
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 27 2015 13:57 GMT
#101251
You guys are all arguing over a list of non-waifu material girls anyway. It's like saying which turd is the best turd. At the end of the day you still got a turd.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 14:04:25
June 27 2015 14:02 GMT
#101252
On June 27 2015 22:52 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2015 22:31 Unleashing wrote:
I already said that i didn't consider Lili or what she did evil, because of her situation.
But that doesn't magically make what she did not awful or excuse it and make it all okay, being an awful person doesn't necessarily make you evil. I don't think Lili was ever in any way shape or form evil.

But, people are responsible for their own actions, even if their situation were incredibly shitty.
+ Show Spoiler +
In my native tongue we have an idiom that roughly translated to "Thief thinks every man steals" which roughly explains Lili's character.
She was forced into being an awful person and then she thought everyone else without exception were also awful people and to her this somehow justified her tricking them before they could potentially trick her.
But that doesn't actually justify her actions to me, you're never justified in being awful to strangers just because people were awful to you.
That's just being an awful person.

If you like Lili that's fine, but i still feel the story did an absolutely awful job at redeeming her, it was just one sob scene and then everything is supposedly redeemed and forgiven.
I just don't buy that. It felt far too sudden and its suddenness made her backstabbing Bell all the more idiotic imo.

I think i would've liked her as a character if the story had done a good or atleast a better job at redeeming her, although who knows, might just be the anime losing some things in the transition of LN->Anime.

Also honestly i laughed pretty hard when she was buttmad at that guy for dragging a ton of monsters their way and almost getting their party killed, because that was essentially what she herself just recently had done.


if you agree that "character can change" (ie you dont believe "once a thief, always a thief" then think in most redemption scenarios you would have some sort of redemption process. the redemption process given to lili was having her cry a HELL of a lot and beg for forgiveness (iirc) and then repeatedly show her wonderment and disbelief in how someone can be so nice to her. you ALSO get hestia telling her she will never forget what she done. to me that is enough. to me that is a reasonable process of redemption (they did cheapen it however right at the end when lili immediately contests hestia right after hestia has been giving her a telling-off). the whole point is that she was bitter and evil (yes she WAS turned evil thats the whole point) but is now completely loyal and indebt to the person she betrayed. that is what is portrayed to us and that is what i believe.

i am still waiting for lili doujinshi but there is none

+ Show Spoiler +

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+ Show Spoiler +
Most people would never trust her after what she did, which is why i feel her just crying about how sorry she is simply isn't a good way to redeem her character.
What exactly is meant to convince me as a viewer that she's actually serious this time and isn't just once again trying to trick Bell? Because i'm not seeing it. It's essentially the story just saying, well now she's redeemed and she can put all her trauma and her completely lack of trust in anyone behind her and move on because she cried.
I mean i know she wont because of what kind of story it is. But that doesn't to me make it a good transition from her being misguided to her being a trustworthy and loyal person. Hell even having it be a gradual transition would've been something i'd like, with her still having trouble trusting Bell in the following episodes and then eventually having her trust him fully would make me actually believe that she was a changed character.
It was far too sudden for my taste, it just went from one extreme to the other. And that's what causes me to dislike her.

Also i think we might have very different definitions of the word evil, because Lili was far from what i'd call evil. She was just what i'd probably call misguided.


On June 27 2015 22:57 Numy wrote:
You guys are all arguing over a list of non-waifu material girls anyway. It's like saying which turd is the best turd. At the end of the day you still got a turd.

Next season one of my waifus finally becomes animated, gonna be pretty great. A waifu worth arguing for.
Too bad the anime likely wont ever get to the other girl that actually challenges her for top girl spot in her series. Or atleast it'll end before she's really explored as a character.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 14:17:05
June 27 2015 14:12 GMT
#101253
On June 27 2015 23:02 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2015 22:52 FFGenerations wrote:
On June 27 2015 22:31 Unleashing wrote:
I already said that i didn't consider Lili or what she did evil, because of her situation.
But that doesn't magically make what she did not awful or excuse it and make it all okay, being an awful person doesn't necessarily make you evil. I don't think Lili was ever in any way shape or form evil.

But, people are responsible for their own actions, even if their situation were incredibly shitty.
+ Show Spoiler +
In my native tongue we have an idiom that roughly translated to "Thief thinks every man steals" which roughly explains Lili's character.
She was forced into being an awful person and then she thought everyone else without exception were also awful people and to her this somehow justified her tricking them before they could potentially trick her.
But that doesn't actually justify her actions to me, you're never justified in being awful to strangers just because people were awful to you.
That's just being an awful person.

If you like Lili that's fine, but i still feel the story did an absolutely awful job at redeeming her, it was just one sob scene and then everything is supposedly redeemed and forgiven.
I just don't buy that. It felt far too sudden and its suddenness made her backstabbing Bell all the more idiotic imo.

I think i would've liked her as a character if the story had done a good or atleast a better job at redeeming her, although who knows, might just be the anime losing some things in the transition of LN->Anime.

Also honestly i laughed pretty hard when she was buttmad at that guy for dragging a ton of monsters their way and almost getting their party killed, because that was essentially what she herself just recently had done.


if you agree that "character can change" (ie you dont believe "once a thief, always a thief" then think in most redemption scenarios you would have some sort of redemption process. the redemption process given to lili was having her cry a HELL of a lot and beg for forgiveness (iirc) and then repeatedly show her wonderment and disbelief in how someone can be so nice to her. you ALSO get hestia telling her she will never forget what she done. to me that is enough. to me that is a reasonable process of redemption (they did cheapen it however right at the end when lili immediately contests hestia right after hestia has been giving her a telling-off). the whole point is that she was bitter and evil (yes she WAS turned evil thats the whole point) but is now completely loyal and indebt to the person she betrayed. that is what is portrayed to us and that is what i believe.

i am still waiting for lili doujinshi but there is none

+ Show Spoiler +

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+ Show Spoiler +
Most people would never trust her after what she did, which is why i feel her just crying about how sorry she is simply isn't a good way to redeem her character.
What exactly is meant to convince me as a viewer that she's actually serious this time and isn't just once again trying to trick Bell? Because i'm not seeing it. It's essentially the story just saying, well now she's redeemed and she can put all her trauma and her completely lack of trust in anyone behind her and move on because she cried.
I mean i know she wont because of what kind of story it is. But that doesn't to me make it a good transition from her being misguided to her being a trustworthy and loyal person. Hell even having it be a gradual transition would've been something i'd like, with her still having trouble trusting Bell in the following episodes and then eventually having her trust him fully would make me actually believe that she was a changed character.
It was far too sudden for my taste, it just went from one extreme to the other. And that's what causes me to dislike her.

Also i think we might have very different definitions of the word evil, because Lili was far from what i'd call evil. She was just what i'd probably call misguided.


Show nested quote +
On June 27 2015 22:57 Numy wrote:
You guys are all arguing over a list of non-waifu material girls anyway. It's like saying which turd is the best turd. At the end of the day you still got a turd.

Next season one of my waifus finally becomes animated, gonna be pretty great. A waifu worth arguing for.
Too bad the anime likely wont ever get to the other girl that actually challenges her for top girl spot in her series. Or atleast it'll end before she's really explored as a character.


im using evil in the manner that you are evil if you are doing something/do something that is evil. not like intrinsically evil, serial killer evil. more like, all people are capable of both good and evil acts and she comitted an evil act.

it is just as believable for her character to undergo a rapid repentment as it would be for her to undergo a a gradual one,

consider that she is of good character to begin with and has been set hard in this selfobsessed way. then consider that she was suddenly shaken free of this way of thinking through an unprecedented and overwhelming change of situation.

infact, it is MORE believable that she has undergone a rapid sudden and complete change than if they were to drag it out. because there is no reasonable way to find doubt in bell sama after this scenario. she either believes him or she doesnt, and he has more than proved himself to her through this scenario to give viability to a sudden and complete change in her perspective
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 14:28:45
June 27 2015 14:28 GMT
#101254
Gonna have to agree to disagree or something then, because i definitely did't and still don't consider it more believable. That's my entire problem with it.

Also only 4 days left for the new season to begin, but it'll be anywhere from 7 to 10 days before the shows i'm really excited for begin. Zzzzz.
Also kind of sad that Kekkai sensen is ending today, i still want more. Luckily it's selling amazingly well and the manga got a big boost too, so a second season will probably happen. Although i hear they did add a good bit of anime original stuff.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 14:36:33
June 27 2015 14:30 GMT
#101255
On June 27 2015 19:26 Imperfect1987 wrote:
DanMachi
+ Show Spoiler +
Is Bell already like top 5 strongest at this point? He just killed what seems like something only a few people ever have. You be crazy Bell. I expect more seasons, probably the most surprising series I tried this season. I liked it way more than I thought I would.



+ Show Spoiler +
Hmm, I would say no. In Danmachi, leveling up over time is a long endeavor. For most charas, it takes about a year to go from 1 to 2, while it took Bell a month, thanks to Realis Phrase.
That said, the final episode fight against Goliath, best girl Ryuu and Andromeda were level 4. Mikoto who managed to do something useful is also level 2 like Bell but there's still a disparity in their combat abilities. Aizu is 6 and there are several 6s in Loki Familia. + Show Spoiler [Lone level 7 chara] +
who is supposedly the strongest adventurer, is Ottar, Freya's right hand man


On June 27 2015 22:37 Emnjay808 wrote:
Goody I like you, but don't talk shit about my Aiz-tan.

+ Show Spoiler +
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On June 27 2015 21:20 FFGenerations wrote:
9/10 hestia
8/10 lili
7/10 aiz (yellow sword princess)
6/10 green bikini elf girl

+ Show Spoiler +
its like first i would screw hestia on a daily basis . then i would start getting cosy with yellow sword princess. then lili would come and i would screw her and invite her back and screw her with hestia. then i would screw sword princess but im not sure she would put up with hestia and lili. so i wud have to power up and impress her. then eventually i win her over and she will combo with hestia and lili. green bikini elf girl gets screwed while im waiting for yellow sword princess to come around. this is basically how the anime goes right

From that list, Ryuu > Aizu > Hestia > Lili

On June 27 2015 22:44 Unleashing wrote:
Ryuu #1
Syr was meido-tier
Twins were pretty great.
Aiz was pretty good too
I don't mind hestia overall since i honestly don't mind obsessive characters.

sup friend
idk, most people find Hestia too overbearing. I also didn't mind her. What were your thoughts of Kouko from Golden Time then? Who es best grill for next season?

As for Lili, I'm inclined to go with Unleashing's pov. Narrowly escaping death by betrayal seems pretty grim. I don't see how your average person could overlook that besides when they're blinded by love (which obv isn't the case here for Bell). I kinda do see some redemption on her part with how deredere she is for MC-kun now. I try not to apply too much real world logic to jp series but I guess it still impacts my rankings lololol.
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Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
June 27 2015 14:31 GMT
#101256
I found this season of Yahari to be terribly confusing, and so did a friend of mine. Are we retarded?
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
June 27 2015 14:35 GMT
#101257
On June 27 2015 23:31 Maxie wrote:
I found this season of Yahari to be terribly confusing, and so did a friend of mine. Are we retarded?

yes

+ Show Spoiler +
jk i felt it was really rushed, confusing and all over the place too.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-27 14:38:26
June 27 2015 14:37 GMT
#101258
On June 27 2015 23:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2015 19:26 Imperfect1987 wrote:
DanMachi
+ Show Spoiler +
Is Bell already like top 5 strongest at this point? He just killed what seems like something only a few people ever have. You be crazy Bell. I expect more seasons, probably the most surprising series I tried this season. I liked it way more than I thought I would.



+ Show Spoiler +
Hmm, I would say no. In Danmachi, leveling up over time is a long endeavor. For most charas, it takes about a year to go from 1 to 2, while it took Bell a month, thanks to Realis Phrase.
That said, the final episode fight against Goliath, best girl Ryuu and Andromeda were level 4. Mikoto who managed to do something useful is also level 2 like Bell but there's still a disparity in their combat abilities. Aizu is 6 and there are several 6s in Loki Familia. + Show Spoiler [Lone level 7 chara] +
who is supposedly the strongest adventurer, is Ottar, Freya's right hand man


Show nested quote +
On June 27 2015 21:20 FFGenerations wrote:
9/10 hestia
8/10 lili
7/10 aiz (yellow sword princess)
6/10 green bikini elf girl

+ Show Spoiler +
its like first i would screw hestia on a daily basis . then i would start getting cosy with yellow sword princess. then lili would come and i would screw her and invite her back and screw her with hestia. then i would screw sword princess but im not sure she would put up with hestia and lili. so i wud have to power up and impress her. then eventually i win her over and she will combo with hestia and lili. green bikini elf girl gets screwed while im waiting for yellow sword princess to come around. this is basically how the anime goes right

From that list, Ryuu > Aizu > Hestia > Lili

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On June 27 2015 22:44 Unleashing wrote:
Ryuu #1
Syr was meido-tier
Twins were pretty great.
Aiz was pretty good too
I don't mind hestia overall since i honestly don't mind obsessive characters.

sup friend
idk, most people find Hestia too overbearing. I also didn't mind her. What were your thoughts of Kouko from Golden Time then? Who es best grill for next season?

As for Lili, I'm inclined to go with Unleashing's pov. Narrowly escaping death by betrayal seems pretty grim. I don't see how your average person could overlook that besides when they're blinded by love (which obv isn't the case here for Bell). I kinda do see some redemption on her part with how deredere she is for MC-kun now. I try not to apply too much real world logic to jp series but I guess it still impacts my rankings lololol.

Koko was loco. Linda was best. Although being best in that series doesn't really mean much.

Also best girl next season is probably going to be Celty, although i consider Celty to be more of a bro-tier character than a waifu-tier character. Best waifu-tier character for me will be Miia from monster musume, only challenged by Rachne from the same series, although i doubt we'll get to see much of her. Mia>Rache>Suu>Rest.

If the adaption is good Dumpire might be up there too.

So many monster girls next season WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE.
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NeoIllusions
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June 27 2015 14:38 GMT
#101259
On June 27 2015 23:31 Maxie wrote:
I found this season of Yahari to be terribly confusing, and so did a friend of mine. Are we retarded?

l0l... I like that's the conclusion you and friend came to. Not shitty anime or poor adapation but "we dum???"

But yeah, considering it's a LN source, I imagine parts were rushed and/or cut out because of typical animu things.
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June 27 2015 14:40 GMT
#101260
To be fair certain people been gushing hard over Yahari this season so wondering if you are the problem isn't too far fetched.
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