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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 02 2010 09:18 GMT
#9721
On December 02 2010 16:39 Southlight wrote:
http://www.mmv.co.jp/special/oretsuba/
Waaaaaaaaaaaao something to look forward to O_O
Wonder how they'll storyboard that though.

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 06:51 Sentenal wrote:
On December 02 2010 04:47 Southlight wrote:
Just hoping Sentenal did see my mini-essay :[

haha, I did, just had to get around to reading the mini-essay.

+ Show Spoiler +
So, from reading the novels, caps-lock SHIKI, the one that died/the "male" personality, was Shiki's 'mind', while the 'female' personality Shiki that survived was the 'soul'?

So If I'm understanding it correctly, Satsuki was the one whose purpose was trivialized in Movie 6. Since I never got all the stuff about his backstory, or any deeper meaning to his involvement other, other than the Movie being a vessel for Proto-Akiha fighting.

In Movie 7, that was mainly about Shiki's desire to kill, and then Kokutou not wanting her to become a murderer. Was things like that different in the novel as well, since you said it was mostly just tying up the loose ends and stuff?


You're right about 6 and 7.

Hmm, I guess they didn't really explain this in the movie A lot of this is speculation because it's not 100% clear (thus the power of the epilogue, because you thought you had it figured out), but...

+ Show Spoiler +
Ryougi is actually one of four bloodlines along with Fujou (Kirie, Kohaku, Hisui), Asagami (Fujino), and Nanaya (aka. Tohno Shiki) that have some weird stuff going on. Now, what's explicitly stated is that somehow, via magic, the Ryougi lineage creates a soul-less body. The idea being that every person/soul can only master one thing over their lifetime due to a lack of focus and time. Thus, once they get the soul-less body, they hope for the materialization of multiple souls inside the body, because this is an unnatural process. As a result, they hope for Shiki/SHIKI occuring - it's also implied that this happens once every few generations.

What are Shiki and SHIKI? At first you think they're two minds, but then you realize that's not really the case. Coupled with the Rougi lineage you come to realize that they're two souls. This is why in ch/mov 6 Satsuki is able "recreate" SHIKI by reconnecting his memories into Shiki's, essentially "restoring" them on a "mind" level (because now she has his memories, his thoughts, etc.) but also, as I mentioned, exacerbating the sense of loss and perturbation because he's not actually there anymore, he's dead. Not to mention it can't be a pleasant feeling getting memories "of yourself" that weren't actually made by "yourself" and yet are being assimilated "as yourself." If I remember correctly the intent of Souren in doing this was to "break" her will, because he wanted her body, which he had (correctly) deduced was key to reaching the acasic record. What he didn't know, or rather...

The bombshell comes in the epilogue. She calls herself シキ (shiki), different from 式 (what you know as Shiki) and 識 (SHIKI).

"Hey, Kokutou, where do you think personalities reside?"
"... I don't know. But personalities are based on knowledge, so I guess it'd be in the head."

And then you get this epic speech:

The soul lives in the brain. If you only need the brain to keep people alive, then you don't need a body. As long as electricity is powering the brain, it's all that's needed to keep watching dreams -- yes, there was a magician that said that to Shiki once. The same answer as yours. That "personalities" are in the head.
But, that's wrong.
For example, Kokutou. You the person, you the personality, you the soul, are a combination of your history, your knowledge, and your empty body. The brain only creates knowledge, so with only a brain, you wouldn't actually result in a personality of a human.
... See, you can certainly extend your life with just your brain, but we recognize what we are only when we get a body. Because of a body, after you grow up together, you end up with the personality you have now. Some people love their bodies and might grow extroverted because of it, and some might hate their bodies and grow introverted because of it. Personalities CAN grow with just a body, but a personality grown purely out of knowledge would never gain self-esteem, and so it'd result in something wildly different from a person. And then you're left wondering if that's actually a personality, or just a simple calculator.
If you were to end up just being a brain, you'd have to create a whole new personality for "yourself as just a brain." You'd have to throw away the macro ego of a body, and root yourself in the smaller ego of knowledge.
It's not "there's knowledge and a body."
Knowledge is born after the body.
But a body that's created on the basis of knowledge, that wouldn't have knowledge. Because meat is just there. But meat also has a personality. Because it grew along with knowledge, and I'm the one that gave birth to knowledge.

She then calls herself "hardware without electricity" and refers to Shiki/SHIKI as software.

Adding to the Nasuverse complexity is that (and this was kind of hinted at in movie 4) Shiki, during her coma, was "swimming around" in the acasic record. Coupled with shiki's confident genie-like "Is there anything you want? Because I can make anything happen!" implies that she's got some sort of direct connection to the acasic record. However this connection isn't specified - an implication from 6 about Satsuki's lost memory and how the record stores all memories might imply that all physical bodies are tied to the acasic record, as that's where they come from. Or something. I don't think I want to give myself a headache pondering that

Man, the novel sounds a ton more complex than the movies were. Isn't there supposed to be an Epilogue OVA for KnK that is supposed to come out sometime soonish? You think it will cover all this stuff as well?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
December 02 2010 09:24 GMT
#9722
The epilogue will cover the epilogue I was talking about (wherein "shiki" appears), but my (and Ecael's) apprehension over it is that because the movies glossed over so much of this stuff, it won't make much sense to anyone who hasn't read the novels o/
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 10:10:56
December 02 2010 10:08 GMT
#9723
As much as I like Azaka, watered down version of chapter 6 really hurts the series as a whole in terms of being able to keep up to the pace of the novel. I think I'll go read over the essay that Southlight has on the last page (and do a word count so I can laugh when it hits 2k) later and see if there are things I want to fill in.

The length of the epilogue as well as the pretty brisk pace of the conversation between Kokutou and Shiki makes it pretty likely that we'll see a good amount of the stuff mentioned covered. The question is how much can those who only watched the movies follow. That is also why I was really, really disappointed when I found out that it will be the epilogue and not Mirai Fukuin that was animated. Grant, a lot of it was also due to a lack of a certain someone's appearance in animation, but I am quite worried about the amount of content that might get cut or glossed over.
Blobskillz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany548 Posts
December 02 2010 10:08 GMT
#9724
On December 02 2010 09:23 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 08:16 Blobskillz wrote:
ok " My Girlfriend is the President" is just plain phenominal. Played it 45min now and had to laugh constantly. Really great, wacky and over the top comedy so far

ohhh now that me I always kinda wanted to try that hahahaha
where did u torrent it?


send you a PM. Will see how it gets later on maybe I was getting overzealous, but the start was really ncie so far.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
December 02 2010 10:11 GMT
#9725
On December 02 2010 19:08 Blobskillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 09:23 Blasterion wrote:
On December 02 2010 08:16 Blobskillz wrote:
ok " My Girlfriend is the President" is just plain phenominal. Played it 45min now and had to laugh constantly. Really great, wacky and over the top comedy so far

ohhh now that me I always kinda wanted to try that hahahaha
where did u torrent it?


send you a PM. Will see how it gets later on maybe I was getting overzealous, but the start was really ncie so far.

You are quite generous with your assessment~
Blobskillz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany548 Posts
December 02 2010 10:25 GMT
#9726
yeah cause I dont go into an anime or game with the mindset that I have to compare it to everything else I played before

and so far I enjoyed it a lot
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 22:46:20
December 02 2010 13:41 GMT
#9727
Finally just finished Yume miru Kusuri I must say I like the Drug route's ending the best =)

OwD is pretty funny I liked all the eroge jokes
and random anime references
YES WE CAN =D
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Forgottenfrog
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1268 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 00:42:02
December 03 2010 00:27 GMT
#9728
Hey I recently watch K-on with my gf and she loved it. Now she wants to learn how to play the guitar. Does anyone know where I can get the cheapest version of Yui's guitar? Although Yui's is an electric guitar, I am looking for an electric-acoustic guitar. I am trying to get it by Christmas. Any suggestion would help since I know nothing about guitar.
-edit-
what is the color of Yui's guitar?
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 01:19:01
December 03 2010 01:07 GMT
#9729
On December 03 2010 09:27 Forgottenfrog wrote:
Hey I recently watch K-on with my gf and she loved it. Now she wants to learn how to play the guitar. Does anyone know where I can get the cheapest version of Yui's guitar? Although Yui's is an electric guitar, I am looking for an electric-acoustic guitar. I am trying to get it by Christmas. Any suggestion would help since I know nothing about guitar.
-edit-
what is the color of Yui's guitar?


Okay, time for some K-On! knowledge before I go to sleep.

Yui plays a Gibson Les Paul Standard Classic with the color pattern "Starburst". Since the Standard Classic were faded out in 2008 and replaced with the new 2008 Standard version, they are rather expensive. The 2008 Classic is not comparable to the old model, but the Traditional variant comes close.

Expected price range for a new Traditional is around 3,500$. Standard Classic versions can go up to 10,000$ as far as I know, special limited editions are around 700,000$ or more.

Link: http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Les-Paul-Traditional.aspx

So Yui's guitar might not necessarily the best choice for a starter guitar, unless you are really rich. But there are a lot of imitations out there, so you might find something that looks like it for much cheaper. I don't have any other good links for you, because I'm not a guitar player, sorry.

Azunyan plays a Fender Mustang, colored in (a brighter version of) Dakota red with a custom paint scheme for the headstock. Available as a classic re-release because the original versions were only produced from 1964 to 1982. A new version should cost around 1,200$, while original versions are usually higher valued.

Link: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0273706505
Classic version: http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1969_Fender_Mustang_SQ03244.jpg

Of course there are imitations of that too. Still no idea how to get them and what prices you should expect.

Edit: All prices listed here are the official prices. Of course you can get them cheaper in shops or on ebay or nearly everywhere else. Still it's about in that range.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 03:51:54
December 03 2010 03:35 GMT
#9730
On December 02 2010 19:08 Blobskillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2010 09:23 Blasterion wrote:
On December 02 2010 08:16 Blobskillz wrote:
ok " My Girlfriend is the President" is just plain phenominal. Played it 45min now and had to laugh constantly. Really great, wacky and over the top comedy so far

ohhh now that me I always kinda wanted to try that hahahaha
where did u torrent it?


send you a PM. Will see how it gets later on maybe I was getting overzealous, but the start was really ncie so far.


To Run Away I will....
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
wtf...
HAHAHAHAH >.<

Where have I heard this line before?
[image loading]

[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 03 2010 03:59 GMT
#9731
Has anyone here watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes before? I'm really enjoying it so far, other than one thing...

Can someone please explain to me why, in certain scenes where there is hand to hand combat (like + Show Spoiler +
capturing Rentenberg Fortress in episode 20
), that they fight with battle axes? I mean, they clearly have access to pistols and rifles, so why battle axes? I mean, even if for some reason guns are impractical, why battle axes, rather than things like swords or spears, or even bayonetts?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
December 03 2010 04:01 GMT
#9732
Amagami 22 is out, subbed btw UTW. Man i can't wait.
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
December 03 2010 04:17 GMT
#9733
On December 03 2010 13:01 Gao Xi wrote:
Amagami 22 is out, subbed btw UTW. Man i can't wait.

I like this Ayatsuji has character~!
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
December 03 2010 04:36 GMT
#9734
On December 03 2010 12:59 Sentenal wrote:
Has anyone here watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes before? I'm really enjoying it so far, other than one thing...

Can someone please explain to me why, in certain scenes where there is hand to hand combat (like + Show Spoiler +
capturing Rentenberg Fortress in episode 20
), that they fight with battle axes? I mean, they clearly have access to pistols and rifles, so why battle axes? I mean, even if for some reason guns are impractical, why battle axes, rather than things like swords or spears, or even bayonetts?

The Zakus in Gundam like to use battle axes too. Maybe it just looks cooler or something. =/
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
December 03 2010 04:44 GMT
#9735
On December 03 2010 12:59 Sentenal wrote:
Has anyone here watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes before? I'm really enjoying it so far, other than one thing...

Can someone please explain to me why, in certain scenes where there is hand to hand combat (like + Show Spoiler +
capturing Rentenberg Fortress in episode 20
), that they fight with battle axes? I mean, they clearly have access to pistols and rifles, so why battle axes? I mean, even if for some reason guns are impractical, why battle axes, rather than things like swords or spears, or even bayonetts?


I guess you can say that the other weapons...
got Axed.
oooooooooh yeah!

This month's chapter of Vinland Saga finally feels like it's gonna be the end of Farmland saga. I really wish it's a bi-weekly release.
Doughboy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States721 Posts
December 03 2010 04:55 GMT
#9736
On December 03 2010 13:17 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 13:01 Gao Xi wrote:
Amagami 22 is out, subbed btw UTW. Man i can't wait.

I like this Ayatsuji has character~!



Oh mang, this arc! So goooooood. Glad they realize that having doses of Haruka and Miya in each arc results in uber amazing-ness value. Lol @ Hibiki fantasy attempts by Junichi
"Don't be distracted by the what if's, should'ves, and if onlys. The one thing you choose yourself - THAT is the truth of your universe." Fav T: Sea, Leta, Really Fav P: Free, Snow Fav Z: ZerO, GGplay, Jaedong, Neo.G_Soulkey
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 05:08:18
December 03 2010 05:01 GMT
#9737
On December 03 2010 13:36 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 12:59 Sentenal wrote:
Has anyone here watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes before? I'm really enjoying it so far, other than one thing...

Can someone please explain to me why, in certain scenes where there is hand to hand combat (like + Show Spoiler +
capturing Rentenberg Fortress in episode 20
), that they fight with battle axes? I mean, they clearly have access to pistols and rifles, so why battle axes? I mean, even if for some reason guns are impractical, why battle axes, rather than things like swords or spears, or even bayonetts?

The Zakus in Gundam like to use battle axes too. Maybe it just looks cooler or something. =/

Well, the Heat Axes Zakus used were essentially side arms for when the enemy got too close (not like they were really effective as side arms anyway). Zakus normally used Machine Guns or Bazookas as their primary weapon. But what I'm talking about, was like an infantry battle fought entirely with battle axes, Berserk-style almost (even complete with a Bazuso-like character lol).

From asking around, apparently it was explained in the novels. The air in the areas I was talking about was filled with ignitable particles, so firing guns there would have caused everything to explode. Another reason was that the battle armor they were wearing were resistant to laser fire. I suppose I can tolerate that reason for not using guns there, and just appreciate armored space storm troopers slaughtering each other with battle axes lol
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
December 03 2010 05:09 GMT
#9738
On December 03 2010 13:55 Doughboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 13:17 Blasterion wrote:
On December 03 2010 13:01 Gao Xi wrote:
Amagami 22 is out, subbed btw UTW. Man i can't wait.

I like this Ayatsuji has character~!



Oh mang, this arc! So goooooood. Glad they realize that having doses of Haruka and Miya in each arc results in uber amazing-ness value. Lol @ Hibiki fantasy attempts by Junichi

Haha yea, I think ayatsuji is the best out of them all still.
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 05:32:31
December 03 2010 05:32 GMT
#9739
I still don't have my own computer but an RL friend was kind enough to burn Clannad onto DVDs for me. I'm on the Fuuko arc and I'm in love with her right now ^_^
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 07:12:37
December 03 2010 05:45 GMT
#9740
Holy crap, Hayate's getting a movie. If it's something other than the Athena arc, I will be very, very disappointed. And guess what - it's not JC Staff.

[image loading]

Based on this picture alone, chances are high. Fuck yeah.
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