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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 05:24:55
February 27 2013 05:24 GMT
#53741
On February 27 2013 13:52 Southlight wrote:
Just remember, she's 14.


Apparantly forever cuz she didnt age a day.

I picked up Amnesia, my patience is being seriously tested.
Meiya
Profile Joined August 2007
Australia1169 Posts
February 27 2013 05:49 GMT
#53742
On February 27 2013 08:52 Denzil wrote:
About Muv Luv alternative
+ Show Spoiler +
sweet Jesus marimo being eaten and the noise I'm going to have nightmares




Seriously, that shit takes a while to get over.

Watch Total Eclipse when you're done, it's (mostly) a bit more lighthearted.
Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 06:42:44
February 27 2013 06:01 GMT
#53743
On February 27 2013 14:20 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:44 XenOmega wrote:
I watched 1 episode of Gurren Lagann and it was weird to be honest! I'll probably give it a few more episodes before judging it though

It's a weird show you were not wrong to think that. It's also a inspirational show if you enjoy Kamina's endless optimism and Simon's attempt at emulating that spirit or you might just think it's corny. Even though it's silly the show does have some good although ridiculous fight scenes. I would at least give the series until episode 3 as you'll understand the basic premise of Gurren Lagann and from then on the series keeps the plot moving quickly. Episode 5 where they introduce Rossiu is probably the slowest episode, but it becomes an important part of the series.

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 13:57 Sentenal wrote:
Glad you enjoyed it. If you liked it, you should check out some of the other Super Robot stuff I mentioned in my blog, particularly Gunbuster (as its made by the same company that did TTGL). ^^

Already on Gunbuster because of your blog haha although the series seems to have a pacing problem because of how short it is. It's only 6 episodes long but + Show Spoiler +
Episodes 1-3 main character is useless then suddenly episode 4 first time piloting the Gunbuster saves the world. I do like the environment of Gunbuster with it's attempt at scientific realism, but Noriko's character growth felt unnatural.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not sure why you would say that about Noriko and not about Simon. The biggest difference between them is gender, and not much else. Simon goes from staying in Kamina's shadow and generally being a coward, to eventually saving the day a few episodes after Kamina's death. Same goes for Noriko, who had a complex of her skill and ability compared to Kasumi and Jung, but over-came her fears with hard work. Thematically, Noriko and Simon are almost identical. Its not like it came out of no where, no more than Simon's change came out of no where. Both had character building and development that lead to what they did.

Plus, Noriko and Kasumi had been training to pilot the Gunbuster since they were first on-board the Exelion (they had been specifically chosen for that in episode 1), and Coach was giving Noriko one-on-one attention to pilot it (much to Jung's annoyance), so its not like she just jumped on it then "suddenly" she can pilot.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Sereal
Profile Joined September 2011
94 Posts
February 27 2013 06:04 GMT
#53744
On February 27 2013 02:04 EchOne wrote:
So I made an attempt at singing Akatsuki no Kuruma:


I wish I could hit anywhere near the correct range -_-; Yuuka OP.


Omg 5 minutes of Yuuka. A for effort.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 07:30:29
February 27 2013 07:26 GMT
#53745
On February 27 2013 15:01 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 14:20 BlackMagister wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:44 XenOmega wrote:
I watched 1 episode of Gurren Lagann and it was weird to be honest! I'll probably give it a few more episodes before judging it though

It's a weird show you were not wrong to think that. It's also a inspirational show if you enjoy Kamina's endless optimism and Simon's attempt at emulating that spirit or you might just think it's corny. Even though it's silly the show does have some good although ridiculous fight scenes. I would at least give the series until episode 3 as you'll understand the basic premise of Gurren Lagann and from then on the series keeps the plot moving quickly. Episode 5 where they introduce Rossiu is probably the slowest episode, but it becomes an important part of the series.

On February 27 2013 13:57 Sentenal wrote:
Glad you enjoyed it. If you liked it, you should check out some of the other Super Robot stuff I mentioned in my blog, particularly Gunbuster (as its made by the same company that did TTGL). ^^

Already on Gunbuster because of your blog haha although the series seems to have a pacing problem because of how short it is. It's only 6 episodes long but + Show Spoiler +
Episodes 1-3 main character is useless then suddenly episode 4 first time piloting the Gunbuster saves the world. I do like the environment of Gunbuster with it's attempt at scientific realism, but Noriko's character growth felt unnatural.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not sure why you would say that about Noriko and not about Simon. The biggest difference between them is gender, and not much else. Simon goes from staying in Kamina's shadow and generally being a coward, to eventually saving the day a few episodes after Kamina's death. Same goes for Noriko, who had a complex of her skill and ability compared to Kasumi and Jung, but over-came her fears with hard work. Thematically, Noriko and Simon are almost identical. Its not like it came out of no where, no more than Simon's change came out of no where. Both had character building and development that lead to what they did.

Plus, Noriko and Kasumi had been training to pilot the Gunbuster since they were first on-board the Exelion (they had been specifically chosen for that in episode 1), and Coach was giving Noriko one-on-one attention to pilot it (much to Jung's annoyance), so its not like she just jumped on it then "suddenly" she can pilot.

There was still more of a build up for Simon than Noriko. + Show Spoiler +
The first enemy Noriko defeated was 1,000 enemies with a single laser sweep, but before that she couldn't even swing at an enemy. In TTGL Simon defeated his first foe clumsily and with help and built up to doing more impressive feats. Simon as a person grew with the help of Kamina, Yoko and Nia to come out of his coward shell. Noriko was abandoned by Amano although she did receive some emotional support from Coach it was more advice than friendship. So yes I agree that they are the same archetypes Simon in my opinion received more help which made his conversion to bravery more believable. Though you are right that Noriko and the others were being trained to use the Gunbuster, but I have a problem of never actually seeing it when Noriko never demonstrated she could use any mech in combat.
aers *
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1210 Posts
February 27 2013 08:19 GMT
#53746
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-26/nikkei/adk-toei-aniplex-sunrise-tms-nas-dentsu-to-stream-anime-overseas

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-27/adk-6-anime-firms-to-launch-overseas-streaming-site-daisuki

500 shows, huh?

Looks like Toei & Sunrise will have to bust out their 80s mecha back catalogs and get to work.

Not that I'm complaining.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 09:06:53
February 27 2013 08:45 GMT
#53747
On February 27 2013 16:26 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 15:01 Sentenal wrote:
On February 27 2013 14:20 BlackMagister wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:44 XenOmega wrote:
I watched 1 episode of Gurren Lagann and it was weird to be honest! I'll probably give it a few more episodes before judging it though

It's a weird show you were not wrong to think that. It's also a inspirational show if you enjoy Kamina's endless optimism and Simon's attempt at emulating that spirit or you might just think it's corny. Even though it's silly the show does have some good although ridiculous fight scenes. I would at least give the series until episode 3 as you'll understand the basic premise of Gurren Lagann and from then on the series keeps the plot moving quickly. Episode 5 where they introduce Rossiu is probably the slowest episode, but it becomes an important part of the series.

On February 27 2013 13:57 Sentenal wrote:
Glad you enjoyed it. If you liked it, you should check out some of the other Super Robot stuff I mentioned in my blog, particularly Gunbuster (as its made by the same company that did TTGL). ^^

Already on Gunbuster because of your blog haha although the series seems to have a pacing problem because of how short it is. It's only 6 episodes long but + Show Spoiler +
Episodes 1-3 main character is useless then suddenly episode 4 first time piloting the Gunbuster saves the world. I do like the environment of Gunbuster with it's attempt at scientific realism, but Noriko's character growth felt unnatural.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not sure why you would say that about Noriko and not about Simon. The biggest difference between them is gender, and not much else. Simon goes from staying in Kamina's shadow and generally being a coward, to eventually saving the day a few episodes after Kamina's death. Same goes for Noriko, who had a complex of her skill and ability compared to Kasumi and Jung, but over-came her fears with hard work. Thematically, Noriko and Simon are almost identical. Its not like it came out of no where, no more than Simon's change came out of no where. Both had character building and development that lead to what they did.

Plus, Noriko and Kasumi had been training to pilot the Gunbuster since they were first on-board the Exelion (they had been specifically chosen for that in episode 1), and Coach was giving Noriko one-on-one attention to pilot it (much to Jung's annoyance), so its not like she just jumped on it then "suddenly" she can pilot.

There was still more of a build up for Simon than Noriko. + Show Spoiler +
The first enemy Noriko defeated was 1,000 enemies with a single laser sweep, but before that she couldn't even swing at an enemy. In TTGL Simon defeated his first foe clumsily and with help and built up to doing more impressive feats. Simon as a person grew with the help of Kamina, Yoko and Nia to come out of his coward shell. Noriko was abandoned by Amano although she did receive some emotional support from Coach it was more advice than friendship. So yes I agree that they are the same archetypes Simon in my opinion received more help which made his conversion to bravery more believable. Though you are right that Noriko and the others were being trained to use the Gunbuster, but I have a problem of never actually seeing it when Noriko never demonstrated she could use any mech in combat.

+ Show Spoiler +
It wasn't that she couldn't even swing at her enemy, it was because she was too afraid to.

Look at it like this, this is the buildup that went into Gunbuster, and why it was so good. Noriko was initially a low level student, but Coach saw potential in her, and picked her. This caused her to get bullied alot, but in response to this, she worked really hard (which is a key theme throughout the anime), and at the end of episode 1, defeated Kashiwara, who was the #2 in the school behind Kazumi. This is the proof that her hard work paid off, and she was worthy to be selected by Coach/worthy to pilot the Gunbuster.

Episode 2 introduces Jung, and her rivalry with Kazumi. Noriko already felt inferior to Kazumi, and Jung's appearance gives her even more of an inferiority complex. Episode 2 also has her demonstrating her ability to pilot, especially in difficult situations such as getting aboard that ship that was in warp (at least until she learned it was her father's ship/he was dead).

Episode 3 has their first battle. She meets Smith, tries to act tough because shes being trained to pilot the Gunbuster, but still thinks she isn't much compared to the other two. She partners with Smith, and gets onto the battlefield. Do you remember how they protrayed that battle? They didn't even show the outside of her mech for the most part. It was dark. You didn't know what was coming. All you had was Smith's voice coming through the radio. Noriko was afraid. It was her first fight. Then all the sudden, Smith stops talking. The entire scene was designed to be claustrophobic and to show the fear Noriko was experiencing in her first fight. It wasn't lack of physical ability. She didn't even fire a shot. That isn't an indication of "wow she sucks at piloting", that's an indication of being a coward.

Episode 4 has her fears and insecurities peak. Coach starts giving her one-on-one training, and advice. You can't discount his influence on either Noriko or Kazumi in this anime, his advice and coaching is immense, everything they need to hear, they hear it. His influence on Noriko is as strong, or stronger, than Nia's was on Simon after she was introduced. There is a scene where Jung at one point sees Noriko getting this special training (this is you seeing her training for the Gunbuster, btw, its even the exact same cockpit), gets jealous, and challenges her. We see explicitly just how much the previous fight had traumatized her. When the battle comes, and shes left out, shes crying in her room. She knows why everyone "abandoned" her, in that she just runs away and cries. She hates that about herself. She asks herself if shes going to die like that, which is both a rhetorical question, and one which was a very distinct possibility given their situation. She resolves that her old self is 'dead', and she won't run away and cry anymore. It wasn't about other people having to give her support to come to that conclusion. She always had the ability to fight. Her only obstacle was herself. She owed it not only to her friends, who were out there fighting to the death right that instant, but to the dead too. She finds her resolve. The scene where she first launches in Gunbuster is one of the most powerful in anime, IMO. Its the scene marking where she forces herself to conquer her fears with her own inner strength to do whats right, and to help her friends. The build up to it was masterful.


On February 27 2013 17:19 aers wrote:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-26/nikkei/adk-toei-aniplex-sunrise-tms-nas-dentsu-to-stream-anime-overseas

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-27/adk-6-anime-firms-to-launch-overseas-streaming-site-daisuki

500 shows, huh?

Looks like Toei & Sunrise will have to bust out their 80s mecha back catalogs and get to work.

Not that I'm complaining.

Maybe we will actually get Layzner fully subbed sometime this century, if they bust out their 80s stuff.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 10:52:03
February 27 2013 10:28 GMT
#53748
Ive been meaning to ask znf if he read Yahari Ore no Seishun before. Or I guess I should just ask in general: if that manga is worth reading? Im looking to catch up on that before it airs next season.


Edit:
Skimmed through the Fairy Tail movie prologue. I noticed the drawing style was similar to what Ive seen before on ep 51.
[image loading]
I wonder if thats the same artist they had. I wouldnt mind it if it were, I really liked that style.

Anyways, useless to hype up this movie... Its so... far... away...
Skol
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3579 Posts
February 27 2013 11:45 GMT
#53749
So i started watching psycho pass, im at ep 14 now

it's gud :D

I don't know why i couldnt get into much else. Havnt tried robotics notes but i remember reading the blurb didnt sound that exciting. Also never got into steins gate either i watchd first few eps and didnt get it :-/
Spaiku
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 12:09:20
February 27 2013 11:57 GMT
#53750
On February 27 2013 20:45 BrTarolg wrote:
So i started watching psycho pass, im at ep 14 now

it's gud :D

I don't know why i couldnt get into much else. Havnt tried robotics notes but i remember reading the blurb didnt sound that exciting. Also never got into steins gate either i watchd first few eps and didnt get it :-/

Steins;Gate has a really slow start, the first half is the characters messing around and some time travel stuff. But then shit gets real. You should give it a second chance :D.


Also when is Psycho Pass 19 coming out? Just catched up with the show.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 27 2013 12:04 GMT
#53751
On February 27 2013 20:45 BrTarolg wrote:
So i started watching psycho pass, im at ep 14 now

it's gud :D

I don't know why i couldnt get into much else. Havnt tried robotics notes but i remember reading the blurb didnt sound that exciting. Also never got into steins gate either i watchd first few eps and didnt get it :-/



Steins takes a decent number of episodes before it kicks off for real (Same for Robotics).



So I finished watching the Crest/Banner anime and well, I liked it. + Show Spoiler +
Feels unfinished though, what we got was basically a romance/action in a space setting. While I liked what happened around and with the main characters, I can't say I cared too much about the war as a whole.


I also watched the 10 episodes of Yamato 2199 and for some reason I fucking love it. I want more episodes, now! The way it's airing is mildly confusing though, correct me if I'm wrong:

-a movie comes out, movie consists of 2-4 ova episodes
-ova version is released at the same time as the movie
-the tv series is the ova episodes aired on TV, will start at episode 1 and then air 1 episode per week until all 26 are out.

Or did I misunderstand? :/

Oh and Elem:

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry for getting space sidetracked, gonna marathon Kaiji now. I hope you forgive me.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
February 27 2013 15:15 GMT
#53752
I'd say that Crest/Banner is primarily a romance with the war being the background setting, and it does a damn fine job of it.
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Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 27 2013 15:28 GMT
#53753
On February 28 2013 00:15 Spazer wrote:
I'd say that Crest/Banner is primarily a romance with the war being the background setting, and it does a damn fine job of it.


Well I agree, at first I expected more focus on the war though. But like I said, it was enjoyable. I prefer this type of romance.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
February 27 2013 15:42 GMT
#53754
Yeah, their relationship was really well done. They don't meander around the topic like a lot of stories tend to do, and it was very refreshing not having to deal with all of the regular romance tropes.
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 15:51:45
February 27 2013 15:48 GMT
#53755
Crest + Banner 1 and 3 lay the foundations for more warfare related stuff starting from 4.

Then asshole takes a 9 year long break.

Did I mention Crest itself was from like the late 80s?

The series is a space drama with a focus on a few characters, they just happen to be important enough for you to get a glimpse of the universe. That said, the character interaction between Lafiel and Jinto has more or less finished developing by Banner 3 with Jinto now pretty much done. So with 4 we get one more view point and more things happening with the universe to shake things up a bit. Then you know, 9 year break. We'll see next month how the series develops.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 27 2013 15:56 GMT
#53756
On February 28 2013 00:48 Ecael wrote:
Crest + Banner 1 and 3 lay the foundations for more warfare related stuff starting from 4.

Then asshole takes a 9 year long break.

Did I mention Crest itself was from like the late 80s?

The series is a space drama with a focus on a few characters, they just happen to be important enough for you to get a glimpse of the universe. That said, the character interaction between Lafiel and Jinto has more or less finished developing by Banner 3 with Jinto now pretty much done. So with 4 we get one more view point and more things happening with the universe to shake things up a bit. Then you know, 9 year break. We'll see next month how the series develops.


Next month? Anything going to happen?
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
February 27 2013 15:57 GMT
#53757
On February 28 2013 00:56 Maxie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 00:48 Ecael wrote:
Crest + Banner 1 and 3 lay the foundations for more warfare related stuff starting from 4.

Then asshole takes a 9 year long break.

Did I mention Crest itself was from like the late 80s?

The series is a space drama with a focus on a few characters, they just happen to be important enough for you to get a glimpse of the universe. That said, the character interaction between Lafiel and Jinto has more or less finished developing by Banner 3 with Jinto now pretty much done. So with 4 we get one more view point and more things happening with the universe to shake things up a bit. Then you know, 9 year break. We'll see next month how the series develops.


Next month? Anything going to happen?

Banner 5 releases if we can trust publisher and scumbag author.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 27 2013 16:07 GMT
#53758
On February 28 2013 00:57 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 00:56 Maxie wrote:
On February 28 2013 00:48 Ecael wrote:
Crest + Banner 1 and 3 lay the foundations for more warfare related stuff starting from 4.

Then asshole takes a 9 year long break.

Did I mention Crest itself was from like the late 80s?

The series is a space drama with a focus on a few characters, they just happen to be important enough for you to get a glimpse of the universe. That said, the character interaction between Lafiel and Jinto has more or less finished developing by Banner 3 with Jinto now pretty much done. So with 4 we get one more view point and more things happening with the universe to shake things up a bit. Then you know, 9 year break. We'll see next month how the series develops.


Next month? Anything going to happen?

Banner 5 releases if we can trust publisher and scumbag author.


Lol scumbag author. That's one way to put it. Anyway, I see that 4 is translated, I'll probably read it.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1972 Posts
February 27 2013 17:12 GMT
#53759
On February 27 2013 20:45 BrTarolg wrote:
So i started watching psycho pass, im at ep 14 now

it's gud :D

I don't know why i couldnt get into much else. Havnt tried robotics notes but i remember reading the blurb didnt sound that exciting. Also never got into steins gate either i watchd first few eps and didnt get it :-/

I started watching Psycho Pass and Robotics; Notes recently, both are really good. I Thought the same thing about Notes when I read the description thing two months, but it's actually really cool, it's not just kids building a robot. And Steins Gate worth watching, though I didn't find the beginning slow.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-27 17:24:45
February 27 2013 17:23 GMT
#53760
On February 27 2013 17:45 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 16:26 BlackMagister wrote:
On February 27 2013 15:01 Sentenal wrote:
On February 27 2013 14:20 BlackMagister wrote:
On February 27 2013 13:44 XenOmega wrote:
I watched 1 episode of Gurren Lagann and it was weird to be honest! I'll probably give it a few more episodes before judging it though

It's a weird show you were not wrong to think that. It's also a inspirational show if you enjoy Kamina's endless optimism and Simon's attempt at emulating that spirit or you might just think it's corny. Even though it's silly the show does have some good although ridiculous fight scenes. I would at least give the series until episode 3 as you'll understand the basic premise of Gurren Lagann and from then on the series keeps the plot moving quickly. Episode 5 where they introduce Rossiu is probably the slowest episode, but it becomes an important part of the series.

On February 27 2013 13:57 Sentenal wrote:
Glad you enjoyed it. If you liked it, you should check out some of the other Super Robot stuff I mentioned in my blog, particularly Gunbuster (as its made by the same company that did TTGL). ^^

Already on Gunbuster because of your blog haha although the series seems to have a pacing problem because of how short it is. It's only 6 episodes long but + Show Spoiler +
Episodes 1-3 main character is useless then suddenly episode 4 first time piloting the Gunbuster saves the world. I do like the environment of Gunbuster with it's attempt at scientific realism, but Noriko's character growth felt unnatural.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not sure why you would say that about Noriko and not about Simon. The biggest difference between them is gender, and not much else. Simon goes from staying in Kamina's shadow and generally being a coward, to eventually saving the day a few episodes after Kamina's death. Same goes for Noriko, who had a complex of her skill and ability compared to Kasumi and Jung, but over-came her fears with hard work. Thematically, Noriko and Simon are almost identical. Its not like it came out of no where, no more than Simon's change came out of no where. Both had character building and development that lead to what they did.

Plus, Noriko and Kasumi had been training to pilot the Gunbuster since they were first on-board the Exelion (they had been specifically chosen for that in episode 1), and Coach was giving Noriko one-on-one attention to pilot it (much to Jung's annoyance), so its not like she just jumped on it then "suddenly" she can pilot.

There was still more of a build up for Simon than Noriko. + Show Spoiler +
The first enemy Noriko defeated was 1,000 enemies with a single laser sweep, but before that she couldn't even swing at an enemy. In TTGL Simon defeated his first foe clumsily and with help and built up to doing more impressive feats. Simon as a person grew with the help of Kamina, Yoko and Nia to come out of his coward shell. Noriko was abandoned by Amano although she did receive some emotional support from Coach it was more advice than friendship. So yes I agree that they are the same archetypes Simon in my opinion received more help which made his conversion to bravery more believable. Though you are right that Noriko and the others were being trained to use the Gunbuster, but I have a problem of never actually seeing it when Noriko never demonstrated she could use any mech in combat.

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It wasn't that she couldn't even swing at her enemy, it was because she was too afraid to.

Look at it like this, this is the buildup that went into Gunbuster, and why it was so good. Noriko was initially a low level student, but Coach saw potential in her, and picked her. This caused her to get bullied alot, but in response to this, she worked really hard (which is a key theme throughout the anime), and at the end of episode 1, defeated Kashiwara, who was the #2 in the school behind Kazumi. This is the proof that her hard work paid off, and she was worthy to be selected by Coach/worthy to pilot the Gunbuster.

Episode 2 introduces Jung, and her rivalry with Kazumi. Noriko already felt inferior to Kazumi, and Jung's appearance gives her even more of an inferiority complex. Episode 2 also has her demonstrating her ability to pilot, especially in difficult situations such as getting aboard that ship that was in warp (at least until she learned it was her father's ship/he was dead).

Episode 3 has their first battle. She meets Smith, tries to act tough because shes being trained to pilot the Gunbuster, but still thinks she isn't much compared to the other two. She partners with Smith, and gets onto the battlefield. Do you remember how they protrayed that battle? They didn't even show the outside of her mech for the most part. It was dark. You didn't know what was coming. All you had was Smith's voice coming through the radio. Noriko was afraid. It was her first fight. Then all the sudden, Smith stops talking. The entire scene was designed to be claustrophobic and to show the fear Noriko was experiencing in her first fight. It wasn't lack of physical ability. She didn't even fire a shot. That isn't an indication of "wow she sucks at piloting", that's an indication of being a coward.

Episode 4 has her fears and insecurities peak. Coach starts giving her one-on-one training, and advice. You can't discount his influence on either Noriko or Kazumi in this anime, his advice and coaching is immense, everything they need to hear, they hear it. His influence on Noriko is as strong, or stronger, than Nia's was on Simon after she was introduced. There is a scene where Jung at one point sees Noriko getting this special training (this is you seeing her training for the Gunbuster, btw, its even the exact same cockpit), gets jealous, and challenges her. We see explicitly just how much the previous fight had traumatized her. When the battle comes, and shes left out, shes crying in her room. She knows why everyone "abandoned" her, in that she just runs away and cries. She hates that about herself. She asks herself if shes going to die like that, which is both a rhetorical question, and one which was a very distinct possibility given their situation. She resolves that her old self is 'dead', and she won't run away and cry anymore. It wasn't about other people having to give her support to come to that conclusion. She always had the ability to fight. Her only obstacle was herself. She owed it not only to her friends, who were out there fighting to the death right that instant, but to the dead too. She finds her resolve. The scene where she first launches in Gunbuster is one of the most powerful in anime, IMO. Its the scene marking where she forces herself to conquer her fears with her own inner strength to do whats right, and to help her friends. The build up to it was masterful.


I suppose I just didn't appreciate the differences in motivation between Noriko and Simon that helped them reach the same conclusion. Kamina helped Simon with his "Don't believe in yourself. Believe in me! Believe in the Kamina who believes in you!" while Coach gave Noriko the "Never rely on others" so it makes sense that Noriko would become self reliant on her own alone. I'll see what happens in the rest of the series before saying anymore.
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