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On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tILAW.jpg) Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that.
+ Show Spoiler +Her adopted father also died, and her second mother remarried. So atm, her current mother is her second mother, and her current father is her third father, but she considers him the second father because she never knew her biological one. They didn't completely neglect her, they just never loved her or considered her family.
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On January 02 2013 10:19 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:Hint? On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. On January 02 2013 09:40 Sentenal wrote:
I will never be able to understand the fascination people of with that series. Tis ok sent, one day more people will be able to fap to gunpla. + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gfgQ4.jpg) Oshino says that Shinobu was happy to help him. And Araragi mistook it that she was just looking out for herself since she needs him as a source of nutrition. Then Oshino calls him thickheaded.
That's not a hint, that's a slap in the face, he just ignores it. Araragi understood a bit of it it all the way back in Kizu, thus the reconciliation in Nise had Shinobu talking about how he gave the matter a lot of thought.
Only ones he is actually thick about are probably the sisters and Nadeko.
On January 02 2013 10:20 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father also died, and her second mother remarried. So atm, her current mother is her second mother, and her current father is her third father, but she considers him the second father because she never knew her biological one. They didn't completely neglect her, they just never loved her or considered her family.
+ Show Spoiler +Oh it was up to 3rd? I thought I might've been getting mixed up between different series. idk about your accessment though, simply because sending a child to the institution in such a scenario would've been the natural choice. That they didn't, to me, shows a level of care early on in family life.
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On January 02 2013 10:19 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oshino says that Shinobu was happy to help him. And Araragi mistook it that she was just looking out for herself since she needs him as a source of nutrition. Then Oshino calls him thickheaded.
GAHHHHHHHHHHHH... facepalming so hard
Tricky explain everything without spoiling
Just read the Kizumonogatari (translated @ baka-tsuki) the book is before neko kuro so doesn't really spoil anything from later and it would explain alot of stuff I guess.
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Canada4481 Posts
On January 02 2013 10:21 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:Hint? On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. On January 02 2013 09:40 Sentenal wrote:
I will never be able to understand the fascination people of with that series. Tis ok sent, one day more people will be able to fap to gunpla. + Show Spoiler +Oshino says that Shinobu was happy to help him. And Araragi mistook it that she was just looking out for herself since she needs him as a source of nutrition. Then Oshino calls him thickheaded. That's not a hint, that's a slap in the face, he just ignores it. Araragi understood a bit of it it all the way back in Kizu, thus the reconciliation in Nise had Shinobu talking about how he gave the matter a lot of thought. Only ones he is actually thick about are probably the sisters and Nadeko. Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:20 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father also died, and her second mother remarried. So atm, her current mother is her second mother, and her current father is her third father, but she considers him the second father because she never knew her biological one. They didn't completely neglect her, they just never loved her or considered her family. + Show Spoiler +Oh it was up to 3rd? I thought I might've been getting mixed up between different series. idk about your accessment though, simply because sending a child to the institution in such a scenario would've been the natural choice. That they didn't, to me, shows a level of care early on in family life.
+ Show Spoiler +Her adopted father I'm sure cared for her. He went through a bunch to ensure a proper upbringing for her, and I think he must have taken care of her for at least 5-6 years before he died since she can remember him. Anyway, he had to adopt a child whose father was unknown. That person was my first father."
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"My first father, well I almost don't remember him, but his main talent was being a serious person, the very picture of a workaholic -- he was a person who couldn't raise a child so he married again. This time, he married for raising a child -- he should have just hired a baby sitter"
Well, he must have thought the child couldn't receive a good education without a mother, since he was a serious person -- Hanekawa then described the following action of her ´first father´.
"That father, in the end, died from overwork. The mother who was left was my second and current mother, my current father is her second husband."
That's all. It's mainly her current parents that don't really care for her.
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On January 02 2013 10:36 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:21 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:Hint? On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. On January 02 2013 09:40 Sentenal wrote:
I will never be able to understand the fascination people of with that series. Tis ok sent, one day more people will be able to fap to gunpla. + Show Spoiler +Oshino says that Shinobu was happy to help him. And Araragi mistook it that she was just looking out for herself since she needs him as a source of nutrition. Then Oshino calls him thickheaded. That's not a hint, that's a slap in the face, he just ignores it. Araragi understood a bit of it it all the way back in Kizu, thus the reconciliation in Nise had Shinobu talking about how he gave the matter a lot of thought. Only ones he is actually thick about are probably the sisters and Nadeko. On January 02 2013 10:20 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father also died, and her second mother remarried. So atm, her current mother is her second mother, and her current father is her third father, but she considers him the second father because she never knew her biological one. They didn't completely neglect her, they just never loved her or considered her family. + Show Spoiler +Oh it was up to 3rd? I thought I might've been getting mixed up between different series. idk about your accessment though, simply because sending a child to the institution in such a scenario would've been the natural choice. That they didn't, to me, shows a level of care early on in family life. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father I'm sure cared for her. He went through a bunch to ensure a proper upbringing for her, and I think he must have taken care of her for at least 5-6 years before he died since she can remember him. Anyway, he had to adopt a child whose father was unknown. That person was my first father."
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"My first father, well I almost don't remember him, but his main talent was being a serious person, the very picture of a workaholic -- he was a person who couldn't raise a child so he married again. This time, he married for raising a child -- he should have just hired a baby sitter"
Well, he must have thought the child couldn't receive a good education without a mother, since he was a serious person -- Hanekawa then described the following action of her ´first father´.
"That father, in the end, died from overwork. The mother who was left was my second and current mother, my current father is her second husband."
That's all. It's mainly her current parents that don't really care for her.
+ Show Spoiler +Again, institution is the alternative. A perfectly viable one. It takes some kind of momentum early on to build into the current situation. If they simply didn't care for her then there was no reason not to send her off. Even Hanekawa isn't free to raise.
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You guys are treating Hanekawa as a mere mortal who might be affected by her upbringing and family, it's just not the case though. She is the the only "real" thing in the series.
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On January 02 2013 10:57 ragz_gt wrote:
You guys are treating Hanekawa as a mere mortal who might be affected by her upbringing and family, it's just not the case though. She is the the only "real" thing in the series.
To be fair that's more of a point established in Neko Shiro, I am not sure everyone read that yet.
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Canada4481 Posts
On January 02 2013 10:48 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:36 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:21 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:Hint? On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. On January 02 2013 09:40 Sentenal wrote:
I will never be able to understand the fascination people of with that series. Tis ok sent, one day more people will be able to fap to gunpla. + Show Spoiler +Oshino says that Shinobu was happy to help him. And Araragi mistook it that she was just looking out for herself since she needs him as a source of nutrition. Then Oshino calls him thickheaded. That's not a hint, that's a slap in the face, he just ignores it. Araragi understood a bit of it it all the way back in Kizu, thus the reconciliation in Nise had Shinobu talking about how he gave the matter a lot of thought. Only ones he is actually thick about are probably the sisters and Nadeko. On January 02 2013 10:20 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father also died, and her second mother remarried. So atm, her current mother is her second mother, and her current father is her third father, but she considers him the second father because she never knew her biological one. They didn't completely neglect her, they just never loved her or considered her family. + Show Spoiler +Oh it was up to 3rd? I thought I might've been getting mixed up between different series. idk about your accessment though, simply because sending a child to the institution in such a scenario would've been the natural choice. That they didn't, to me, shows a level of care early on in family life. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father I'm sure cared for her. He went through a bunch to ensure a proper upbringing for her, and I think he must have taken care of her for at least 5-6 years before he died since she can remember him. Anyway, he had to adopt a child whose father was unknown. That person was my first father."
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"My first father, well I almost don't remember him, but his main talent was being a serious person, the very picture of a workaholic -- he was a person who couldn't raise a child so he married again. This time, he married for raising a child -- he should have just hired a baby sitter"
Well, he must have thought the child couldn't receive a good education without a mother, since he was a serious person -- Hanekawa then described the following action of her ´first father´.
"That father, in the end, died from overwork. The mother who was left was my second and current mother, my current father is her second husband."
That's all. It's mainly her current parents that don't really care for her. + Show Spoiler +Again, institution is the alternative. A perfectly viable one. It takes some kind of momentum early on to build into the current situation. If they simply didn't care for her then there was no reason not to send her off. Even Hanekawa isn't free to raise.
+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, I have a hard time understanding how Hanekawa got into that position instead of just going to some institution. While they don't care for her, she mentioned somewhere they still spent money on her, but just bare minimum. O well, if the logical thing happened, then there wouldn't be a story. =\
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On January 02 2013 10:59 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:57 ragz_gt wrote:
You guys are treating Hanekawa as a mere mortal who might be affected by her upbringing and family, it's just not the case though. She is the the only "real" thing in the series. To be fair that's more of a point established in Neko Shiro, I am not sure everyone read that yet.
Yeah, but it's hinted many time already by Meme and Araragi in anime all the way from season 1.
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On January 02 2013 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:59 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:57 ragz_gt wrote:
You guys are treating Hanekawa as a mere mortal who might be affected by her upbringing and family, it's just not the case though. She is the the only "real" thing in the series. To be fair that's more of a point established in Neko Shiro, I am not sure everyone read that yet. Yeah, but it's hinted many time already by Meme and Araragi in anime all the way from season 1.
Ehh from just bake it is kind of hard to know how seriously we can take their comments, Kizu and Neko Kuro firmed up the point. Neko Shiro spells it out plainly. At the moment we only have Neko Kuro, so I'd say skepticism is only natural.
On January 02 2013 11:00 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:48 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:36 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:21 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:Hint? On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. On January 02 2013 09:40 Sentenal wrote:
I will never be able to understand the fascination people of with that series. Tis ok sent, one day more people will be able to fap to gunpla. + Show Spoiler +Oshino says that Shinobu was happy to help him. And Araragi mistook it that she was just looking out for herself since she needs him as a source of nutrition. Then Oshino calls him thickheaded. That's not a hint, that's a slap in the face, he just ignores it. Araragi understood a bit of it it all the way back in Kizu, thus the reconciliation in Nise had Shinobu talking about how he gave the matter a lot of thought. Only ones he is actually thick about are probably the sisters and Nadeko. On January 02 2013 10:20 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father also died, and her second mother remarried. So atm, her current mother is her second mother, and her current father is her third father, but she considers him the second father because she never knew her biological one. They didn't completely neglect her, they just never loved her or considered her family. + Show Spoiler +Oh it was up to 3rd? I thought I might've been getting mixed up between different series. idk about your accessment though, simply because sending a child to the institution in such a scenario would've been the natural choice. That they didn't, to me, shows a level of care early on in family life. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father I'm sure cared for her. He went through a bunch to ensure a proper upbringing for her, and I think he must have taken care of her for at least 5-6 years before he died since she can remember him. Anyway, he had to adopt a child whose father was unknown. That person was my first father."
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"My first father, well I almost don't remember him, but his main talent was being a serious person, the very picture of a workaholic -- he was a person who couldn't raise a child so he married again. This time, he married for raising a child -- he should have just hired a baby sitter"
Well, he must have thought the child couldn't receive a good education without a mother, since he was a serious person -- Hanekawa then described the following action of her ´first father´.
"That father, in the end, died from overwork. The mother who was left was my second and current mother, my current father is her second husband."
That's all. It's mainly her current parents that don't really care for her. + Show Spoiler +Again, institution is the alternative. A perfectly viable one. It takes some kind of momentum early on to build into the current situation. If they simply didn't care for her then there was no reason not to send her off. Even Hanekawa isn't free to raise. + Show Spoiler +Yeah, I have a hard time understanding how Hanekawa got into that position instead of just going to some institution. While they don't care for her, she mentioned somewhere they still spent money on her, but just bare minimum. O well, if the logical thing happened, then there wouldn't be a story. =\
+ Show Spoiler +Is it that hard to accept the idea that early on, the parents did try to care about her? lol. After a while it gets harder to send her off to the institution, as long as the care lasted that long then the present situation can occur.
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Eh, they skipping over Kizu is really making it confusing
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On January 02 2013 11:08 ragz_gt wrote:
Eh, they skipping over Kizu is really making it confusing
Supposedly 2013 in theaters still, inb4 Mahoyo treatment and we have no news till 2014.
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Speak of Mahoyo... ain't we suppose to get a new Tsukihime anime?
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On January 02 2013 11:09 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:08 ragz_gt wrote:
Eh, they skipping over Kizu is really making it confusing Supposedly 2013 in theaters still, inb4 Mahoyo treatment and we have no news till 2014.
They never did give any dates after the 2012 delay. Too busy raking in money with those Madoka movies, I assume.
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Canada4481 Posts
On January 02 2013 11:06 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 10:59 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:57 ragz_gt wrote:
You guys are treating Hanekawa as a mere mortal who might be affected by her upbringing and family, it's just not the case though. She is the the only "real" thing in the series. To be fair that's more of a point established in Neko Shiro, I am not sure everyone read that yet. Yeah, but it's hinted many time already by Meme and Araragi in anime all the way from season 1. Ehh from just bake it is kind of hard to know how seriously we can take their comments, Kizu and Neko Kuro firmed up the point. Neko Shiro spells it out plainly. At the moment we only have Neko Kuro, so I'd say skepticism is only natural. Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:00 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:48 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:36 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:21 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:Hint? On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. On January 02 2013 09:40 Sentenal wrote:
I will never be able to understand the fascination people of with that series. Tis ok sent, one day more people will be able to fap to gunpla. + Show Spoiler +Oshino says that Shinobu was happy to help him. And Araragi mistook it that she was just looking out for herself since she needs him as a source of nutrition. Then Oshino calls him thickheaded. That's not a hint, that's a slap in the face, he just ignores it. Araragi understood a bit of it it all the way back in Kizu, thus the reconciliation in Nise had Shinobu talking about how he gave the matter a lot of thought. Only ones he is actually thick about are probably the sisters and Nadeko. On January 02 2013 10:20 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 07:09 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Nekomonogatari 01] +Hanekawa makes me feel so sad. She knows shes in a hopeless situation so all she can do is try to find reasoning behind being abused... T_T Also, I guess chonologically, Araragi gets turned into a vampire first, then this whole neko ordeal happens. So that means Hanekawa already liked Araragi from the very start. Oh dem two-sided unrequited loves. And it was also fun to see Tsukihi's complex definition of love in contrast to Karen's. Good "banter" (is that what you guys call it?) between Araragi and his sisters. Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father also died, and her second mother remarried. So atm, her current mother is her second mother, and her current father is her third father, but she considers him the second father because she never knew her biological one. They didn't completely neglect her, they just never loved her or considered her family. + Show Spoiler +Oh it was up to 3rd? I thought I might've been getting mixed up between different series. idk about your accessment though, simply because sending a child to the institution in such a scenario would've been the natural choice. That they didn't, to me, shows a level of care early on in family life. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father I'm sure cared for her. He went through a bunch to ensure a proper upbringing for her, and I think he must have taken care of her for at least 5-6 years before he died since she can remember him. Anyway, he had to adopt a child whose father was unknown. That person was my first father."
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"My first father, well I almost don't remember him, but his main talent was being a serious person, the very picture of a workaholic -- he was a person who couldn't raise a child so he married again. This time, he married for raising a child -- he should have just hired a baby sitter"
Well, he must have thought the child couldn't receive a good education without a mother, since he was a serious person -- Hanekawa then described the following action of her ´first father´.
"That father, in the end, died from overwork. The mother who was left was my second and current mother, my current father is her second husband."
That's all. It's mainly her current parents that don't really care for her. + Show Spoiler +Again, institution is the alternative. A perfectly viable one. It takes some kind of momentum early on to build into the current situation. If they simply didn't care for her then there was no reason not to send her off. Even Hanekawa isn't free to raise. + Show Spoiler +Yeah, I have a hard time understanding how Hanekawa got into that position instead of just going to some institution. While they don't care for her, she mentioned somewhere they still spent money on her, but just bare minimum. O well, if the logical thing happened, then there wouldn't be a story. =\ + Show Spoiler +Is it that hard to accept the idea that early on, the parents did try to care about her? lol. After a while it gets harder to send her off to the institution, as long as the care lasted that long then the present situation can occur.
+ Show Spoiler + I guess I just thought her current parents treated her like how they did in Neko White the entire time. Basically ignoring her and everything. Never considered to think she probably spent at least several years with her adopted father before he died and how he had tried to care for her.
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Canada8031 Posts
On January 02 2013 11:11 ragz_gt wrote:
Speak of Mahoyo... ain't we suppose to get a new Tsukihime anime?
Wut? Since when? Pretty sure the only anime on the docket is Fate/Kaleid and Mirai Fukuin.
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On January 02 2013 11:11 ragz_gt wrote:
Speak of Mahoyo... ain't we suppose to get a new Tsukihime anime?
Anime? There has been talk/rumors (lol) of a Tsukihime remake and/or Tsukihime 2 for a really long time now, but all we have gotten for it are new character redesigns for something.
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Oops, meant remake, with cutscene by ufotable
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On January 02 2013 12:04 ragz_gt wrote:
Oops, meant remake, with cutscene by ufotable
The other day while I was looking through the list of staff involved in that Fate/Apocrypha book/thing they put out for C83 I saw name that I didn't quite recognize. Under that name was a list of works done by that guy, stuff like the Witch on April and...Girl's Work.
Or in other words T-M now has a development cycle of 5 to 10 years and doesn't shy away from reminding us that. We'll see that Tsukihime remake by 2018 at this rate.
On January 02 2013 12:01 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:11 ragz_gt wrote:
Speak of Mahoyo... ain't we suppose to get a new Tsukihime anime? Anime? There has been talk/rumors (lol) of a Tsukihime remake and/or Tsukihime 2 for a really long time now, but all we have gotten for it are new character redesigns for something.
It is so much harder to hate on just Curry with those bishie new looks, I might actually have to bitch about the scenario itself!
On January 02 2013 11:56 Spazer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:11 ragz_gt wrote:
Speak of Mahoyo... ain't we suppose to get a new Tsukihime anime? Wut? Since when? Pretty sure the only anime on the docket is Fate/Kaleid and Mirai Fukuin.
Give us Mana please.
On January 02 2013 11:43 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:06 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 11:02 ragz_gt wrote:On January 02 2013 10:59 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:57 ragz_gt wrote:
You guys are treating Hanekawa as a mere mortal who might be affected by her upbringing and family, it's just not the case though. She is the the only "real" thing in the series. To be fair that's more of a point established in Neko Shiro, I am not sure everyone read that yet. Yeah, but it's hinted many time already by Meme and Araragi in anime all the way from season 1. Ehh from just bake it is kind of hard to know how seriously we can take their comments, Kizu and Neko Kuro firmed up the point. Neko Shiro spells it out plainly. At the moment we only have Neko Kuro, so I'd say skepticism is only natural. On January 02 2013 11:00 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:48 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:36 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:21 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 10:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:Hint? On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:[quote] Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. On January 02 2013 09:40 Sentenal wrote:
I will never be able to understand the fascination people of with that series. Tis ok sent, one day more people will be able to fap to gunpla. + Show Spoiler +Oshino says that Shinobu was happy to help him. And Araragi mistook it that she was just looking out for herself since she needs him as a source of nutrition. Then Oshino calls him thickheaded. That's not a hint, that's a slap in the face, he just ignores it. Araragi understood a bit of it it all the way back in Kizu, thus the reconciliation in Nise had Shinobu talking about how he gave the matter a lot of thought. Only ones he is actually thick about are probably the sisters and Nadeko. On January 02 2013 10:20 Nagisama wrote:On January 02 2013 10:10 Ecael wrote:On January 02 2013 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 02 2013 07:45 ragz_gt wrote:[quote] Nah that's not it at all... + Show Spoiler +Hanekawa is like godlike hidden boss. She is not looking for reason because she knows that she is in a hopeless situation, she is just always perfectly fair and perfectly right, no matter what situation or who is involved. It's her nature that caused the abuse, not the other way around, more like her parents can only abuse her because she is always right and shows them how inferior their existences are. + Show Spoiler +Hm, in Bake she explained how her biological parents didnt want her so now shes stuck with both her step mom and dad, and they didnt want her either (I could be wrong here). But going based off that, I conclude that she feels hopeless cause she has no where else to go, so she tries to find reasoning or justification for the abuse she deals with. I have a hard time comprehending that any normal parent would smack around their kid just because shes a "know it all". So basically, I think she just feels that she has no other choice than to just find reasoning/justification no matter how unfortunate her situation may be. Also the reason why she wanted to gtfo once she grad highschool. First of all, neko shiro is translate so go read that and save me time from explaining things. Secondly, they cut out like a good 50% of Tsukihi's lines because they weren't related to the main story so a few of us on irc were pretty damned sad. + Show Spoiler [monogatari series] +Hanekawa's father dumped the mother and her, the mother remarried and died, the adopted father then remarried. I suppose they didn't really want her, but given that she wasn't sent to an institution when the biological mother died, there has to have been some kind of effort early on from the adopted parents. Setting wise she has always been fucked up like that. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father also died, and her second mother remarried. So atm, her current mother is her second mother, and her current father is her third father, but she considers him the second father because she never knew her biological one. They didn't completely neglect her, they just never loved her or considered her family. + Show Spoiler +Oh it was up to 3rd? I thought I might've been getting mixed up between different series. idk about your accessment though, simply because sending a child to the institution in such a scenario would've been the natural choice. That they didn't, to me, shows a level of care early on in family life. + Show Spoiler +Her adopted father I'm sure cared for her. He went through a bunch to ensure a proper upbringing for her, and I think he must have taken care of her for at least 5-6 years before he died since she can remember him. Anyway, he had to adopt a child whose father was unknown. That person was my first father."
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"My first father, well I almost don't remember him, but his main talent was being a serious person, the very picture of a workaholic -- he was a person who couldn't raise a child so he married again. This time, he married for raising a child -- he should have just hired a baby sitter"
Well, he must have thought the child couldn't receive a good education without a mother, since he was a serious person -- Hanekawa then described the following action of her ´first father´.
"That father, in the end, died from overwork. The mother who was left was my second and current mother, my current father is her second husband."
That's all. It's mainly her current parents that don't really care for her. + Show Spoiler +Again, institution is the alternative. A perfectly viable one. It takes some kind of momentum early on to build into the current situation. If they simply didn't care for her then there was no reason not to send her off. Even Hanekawa isn't free to raise. + Show Spoiler +Yeah, I have a hard time understanding how Hanekawa got into that position instead of just going to some institution. While they don't care for her, she mentioned somewhere they still spent money on her, but just bare minimum. O well, if the logical thing happened, then there wouldn't be a story. =\ + Show Spoiler +Is it that hard to accept the idea that early on, the parents did try to care about her? lol. After a while it gets harder to send her off to the institution, as long as the care lasted that long then the present situation can occur. + Show Spoiler + I guess I just thought her current parents treated her like how they did in Neko White the entire time. Basically ignoring her and everything. Never considered to think she probably spent at least several years with her adopted father before he died and how he had tried to care for her.
+ Show Spoiler [Kabukimonogatari (LNs)] + I'd have to reread to doublecheck but even as a child Hanekawa was pretty fucked up from what we can see in terms of responding to chikan. How much of that is just gag is questionable though. Nonetheless, I feel like all 3 of the adopted parents at least put in some effort early on. The family situation in Neko Shiro is just a relationship that deteriorated heavily over time because of Hanekawa's abnormality.
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They have no problem cranking out random PSP games at breakneck speed though
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