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On January 01 2013 16:24 Elem wrote:
Taste doesn't need to have anything with comprehension.
Sometimes you miss important things, and when someone mentions those things it can set off a chain reaction of thoughts for a person, causing you to have a different opinion in the end. It doesn't need to have anything to do with popularity. It's a basic occurence when holding a normal discussion.
Also Outlaw, quite sure your "taste" is approaching the norm around here. Not sure if that is a good thing, though.
So the question is "Is it the anime's fault for not making something understandable enough, or is it the viewer's fault for not being observant enough"? In that case, I guess it depends on the specific circumstance.
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On January 01 2013 16:06 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 16:05 Zeke50100 wrote:On January 01 2013 16:02 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2013 16:01 XenOmega wrote:
Out of curiosity, when you finish an anime and it leaves you with a sour impression. But then, you read a review or an interpretation of that anime and it completely changes your view on it... Is the anime good but you failed to understand it properly? Or is the anime bad because it wasn't able to show its meaning when you watched it? Better question: Why would reading someone else's opinion on something change yours? Personal taste isn't something that can be changed so easily. There's a difference between being shown a different interpretation and being force-fed an opinion. Being shown a different interpretation magically changes your own taste?
It's up to a person what they do with a new interpretation. It's just as easy to discard a different perspective as it is to understand and agree with one regardless of what your previous opinion was. It's not a crime to think differently of something after reading a review or hearing what someone else thought of it. A change in perspective doesn't necessarily imply a change in personal taste - if anything, it plays a significant role in determining what one's tastes are (i.e., what kinds of interpretations a person enjoys or dislikes). It's the same as watching a show a second time and thinking differently of it.
On January 01 2013 16:27 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 16:24 Elem wrote:
Taste doesn't need to have anything with comprehension.
Sometimes you miss important things, and when someone mentions those things it can set off a chain reaction of thoughts for a person, causing you to have a different opinion in the end. It doesn't need to have anything to do with popularity. It's a basic occurence when holding a normal discussion.
Also Outlaw, quite sure your "taste" is approaching the norm around here. Not sure if that is a good thing, though. So the question is "Is it the anime's fault for not making something understandable enough, or is it the viewer's fault for not being observant enough"? In that case, I guess it depends on the specific circumstance.
Yeah. It depends mainly on what criteria are being used to judge a show (or book, or movie, or whatever), in my opinion. You could rate something differently in terms of "immediate value", where the first impression is has a larger weight, or with a more holistic view, where afterthought is encouraged. I think there's often a clear distinction between things that appeal to the former and the latter, but whatever is "better" is according to someone's specific tastes.
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On January 01 2013 16:27 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 16:24 Elem wrote:
Taste doesn't need to have anything with comprehension.
Sometimes you miss important things, and when someone mentions those things it can set off a chain reaction of thoughts for a person, causing you to have a different opinion in the end. It doesn't need to have anything to do with popularity. It's a basic occurence when holding a normal discussion.
Also Outlaw, quite sure your "taste" is approaching the norm around here. Not sure if that is a good thing, though. So the question is "Is it the anime's fault for not making something understandable enough, or is it the viewer's fault for not being observant enough"? In that case, I guess it depends on the specific circumstance. Pretty much, for both.
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On January 01 2013 16:28 Zeke50100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 16:06 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2013 16:05 Zeke50100 wrote:On January 01 2013 16:02 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2013 16:01 XenOmega wrote:
Out of curiosity, when you finish an anime and it leaves you with a sour impression. But then, you read a review or an interpretation of that anime and it completely changes your view on it... Is the anime good but you failed to understand it properly? Or is the anime bad because it wasn't able to show its meaning when you watched it? Better question: Why would reading someone else's opinion on something change yours? Personal taste isn't something that can be changed so easily. There's a difference between being shown a different interpretation and being force-fed an opinion. Being shown a different interpretation magically changes your own taste? It's up to a person what they do with a new interpretation. It's just as easy to discard a different perspective as it is to understand and agree with one regardless of what your previous opinion was. It's not a crime to think differently of something after reading a review or hearing what someone else thought of it. A change in perspective doesn't necessarily imply a change in personal taste - if anything, it plays a significant role in determining what one's tastes are (i.e., what kinds of interpretations a person enjoys or dislikes). It's the same as watching a show a second time and thinking differently of it.
Being a lazy viewer is one thing, but having someone else's opinion change your own (assuming you did pay attention to the show in question and "understood" it) is just being insecure or dishonest about your own likes and dislikes. I can hear people's opinions and interpretations of something, and I can understand their opinions/interpretation, but that doesn't (and shouldn't) affect how much I enjoy it. Like for example, I understand why other people really like Saya no Uta. They see parts of it differently than I do. They have a different interpretation of it than me. But that doesn't change my own thoughts about it.
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I enjoyed Phantom: Requiem for a Phantom, but reading some reviews after I finished helped me understand and enjoy the series better because + Show Spoiler +the ending where Zwei and Ein both died was a very WTF? moment even though the character's past did not make that surprising that they would die. It was just surprising the way it did happen and it did require some explanation to know what the flower that Ein ate was. The review or blog I read also pointed to other signs I had missed the obvious one that Requiem is a service for the dead and the main characters were known as Phantoms
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On January 01 2013 16:37 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 16:28 Zeke50100 wrote:On January 01 2013 16:06 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2013 16:05 Zeke50100 wrote:On January 01 2013 16:02 Sentenal wrote:On January 01 2013 16:01 XenOmega wrote:
Out of curiosity, when you finish an anime and it leaves you with a sour impression. But then, you read a review or an interpretation of that anime and it completely changes your view on it... Is the anime good but you failed to understand it properly? Or is the anime bad because it wasn't able to show its meaning when you watched it? Better question: Why would reading someone else's opinion on something change yours? Personal taste isn't something that can be changed so easily. There's a difference between being shown a different interpretation and being force-fed an opinion. Being shown a different interpretation magically changes your own taste? It's up to a person what they do with a new interpretation. It's just as easy to discard a different perspective as it is to understand and agree with one regardless of what your previous opinion was. It's not a crime to think differently of something after reading a review or hearing what someone else thought of it. A change in perspective doesn't necessarily imply a change in personal taste - if anything, it plays a significant role in determining what one's tastes are (i.e., what kinds of interpretations a person enjoys or dislikes). It's the same as watching a show a second time and thinking differently of it. Being a lazy viewer is one thing, but having someone else's opinion change your own (assuming you did pay attention to the show in question) is just being insecure or dishonest about your own likes and dislikes. I can hear people's opinions and interpretations of something, and I can understand their opinions/interpretation, but that doesn't (and shouldn't) affect how much I enjoy it. Like for example, I understand why other people really like Saya no Uta. They see parts of it differently than I do. They have a different interpretation of it than me. But that doesn't change my own thoughts about it.
The way I read the scenario was that it was mainly just a matter of interpretation, and not observation. It's not impossible to be observant and not come out with the same interpretation as somebody else, and it's not impossible to later be introduced to that interpretation and actually think of the show differently (depending on how strong of a supporting argument could be made). You can still say "the show is weak relative to this aspect / fails to entertain in terms of this perspective", yet also say "the show is strong when viewed from these other lenses" without being a conformist sheep. I think it's good for people to "switch sides" (given strong arguments - I'm assuming people aren't just going willy-nilly flip-flopping every time they hear something different).
I'm not saying that it's narrow-minded or bad when people don't change their opinions of shows, either; I'm just assuming that people aren't omniscient beings who can immediately garner every possible interpretation and make a judgment of a show based on every interpretation.
I wouldn't say that everybody who ever changed their thoughts about something based on experience is insecure or dishonest. A person most likely doesn't view a book the same way they do now as they did 40 years ago, and that doesn't have to be a fault of the reader.
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Omg new rika chapter
Yubisaki v2 is going to be so good
Also, stop arguing with sentenal. Like, it happens every time, and it just sprawls into some obtuse mess.
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On January 01 2013 19:33 BrTarolg wrote:
Omg new rika chapter
Yubisaki v2 is going to be so good
Also, stop arguing with sentenal. Like, it happens every time, and it just sprawls into some obtuse mess.
Lol you said "obtuse" xD
I always crack up when people say that. Also, Happy New Years ADT!
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Inferno cop ep2 was excellent. Anime of the year all years.
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On January 01 2013 19:35 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 19:33 BrTarolg wrote:
Omg new rika chapter
Yubisaki v2 is going to be so good
Also, stop arguing with sentenal. Like, it happens every time, and it just sprawls into some obtuse mess. Lol you said "obtuse" xD I always crack up when people say that. Also, Happy New Years ADT!
English moe~
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So when are the winter season anime starting? Anime world still on holidays or? 
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I regret starting to watch Shinsekai Yori, no I have to wait so fucking much for each episode, should've just waited until all episodes have aired as usual. ;__;
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On January 01 2013 22:06 Ryndika wrote:
I regret starting to watch Shinsekai Yori, no I have to wait so fucking much for each episode, should've just waited until all episodes have aired as usual. ;__;
Haha. I actually had a dream about Shinsekai Yori today ;S was when I was about to wake up so I remember fragments of it. It was pretty scary.
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Dragon dragon, Dragonball Z!
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+ Show Spoiler [Kokoro Connect - 14-17] +Nagase is such a champ at logical battles. Figuratively pounded the others into the floor. Anyway, it was a nice revisiting of Nagase's primary struggle, and it reminded me a lot of the first arc, which is what drew me to the show to begin with (albeit much more serious). I had a problem with how Taichi acted, considering he should already know that asking Nagase to be her "normal self" should be out of the question (she already explained to him in the first arc - and further confirmed in later arcs - how she's having an identity crisis and has problems when people expect her to act a certain way). It was also abrupt how she snapped out of her "depression". I'm going to ignore the flaws, though, and say it's awesome (mainly because I haven't seen anything similar. The breadth of my anime knowledge isn't expansive enough for that T_T)
Would recommend watching. all dat philosophy
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On January 01 2013 20:53 BrTarolg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 19:35 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 01 2013 19:33 BrTarolg wrote:
Omg new rika chapter
Yubisaki v2 is going to be so good
Also, stop arguing with sentenal. Like, it happens every time, and it just sprawls into some obtuse mess. Lol you said "obtuse" xD I always crack up when people say that. Also, Happy New Years ADT! English moe~ Britmoe best moe.
After znfmoe ofc.
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On January 02 2013 02:05 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 20:53 BrTarolg wrote:On January 01 2013 19:35 Emnjay808 wrote:On January 01 2013 19:33 BrTarolg wrote:
Omg new rika chapter
Yubisaki v2 is going to be so good
Also, stop arguing with sentenal. Like, it happens every time, and it just sprawls into some obtuse mess. Lol you said "obtuse" xD I always crack up when people say that. Also, Happy New Years ADT! English moe~ Britmoe best moe. After znfmoe ofc.
Bearmoe is best.
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On January 02 2013 03:54 Zergneedsfood wrote:
wtf is bearmoe? o_o
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