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On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight?
He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength.
Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder.
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On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder.
he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight
99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard
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On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard
Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me.
The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords.
Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out.
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On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out.
its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely
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On December 17 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out. its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely
And behind that precise strike is his immense strength.
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On December 17 2014 16:27 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out. its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely And behind that precise strike is his immense strength.
ya but he relys more on skill then strength
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On December 17 2014 16:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 16:27 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out. its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely And behind that precise strike is his immense strength. ya but he relys more on skill then strength
I'd say 50/50 but there's no way of knowing without actually asking Zoro himself since it isn't explicitly said anywhere other than the one remark by Brook.
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On December 17 2014 16:38 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 16:30 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:27 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out. its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely And behind that precise strike is his immense strength. ya but he relys more on skill then strength I'd say 50/50 but there's no way of knowing without actually asking Zoro himself since it isn't explicitly said anywhere other than the one remark by Brook.
he uses multiple light weapons and uses combo attacks, thats not a strength based style
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On December 17 2014 16:39 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 16:38 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 16:30 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:27 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out. its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely And behind that precise strike is his immense strength. ya but he relys more on skill then strength I'd say 50/50 but there's no way of knowing without actually asking Zoro himself since it isn't explicitly said anywhere other than the one remark by Brook. he uses multiple light weapons and uses combo attacks, thats not a strength based style
Except when he is blasting through giant ass rock chunks, aka Pica. Also you can't say light weapons when referring to a swordsman man. Him having normal size swords doesn't mean he's a pussy and can't hold bigger ones, it's just his style.
You wouldn't you call Zaraki Kenpachi from bleach a "skill" based swordsman because he isn't wielding a giant claymore. The dude is 99% strength and 1% technique and skill.
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This debate seems to have entered an endless loop. Feels like a Bleach fight actually.
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On December 17 2014 16:42 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 16:39 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:38 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 16:30 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:27 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 13:42 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Didn't Brook even say something about Zoro being a strength based swordsman like Ryuuma in their fight? He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength. Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out. its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely And behind that precise strike is his immense strength. ya but he relys more on skill then strength I'd say 50/50 but there's no way of knowing without actually asking Zoro himself since it isn't explicitly said anywhere other than the one remark by Brook. he uses multiple light weapons and uses combo attacks, thats not a strength based style Except when he is blasting through giant ass rock chunks, aka Pica. Also you can't say light weapons when referring to a swordsman man. Him having normal size swords doesn't mean he's a pussy and can't hold bigger ones, it's just his style. You wouldn't you call Zaraki Kenpachi from bleach a "skill" based swordsman because he isn't wielding a giant claymore. The dude is 99% strength and 1% technique and skill.
he also has a giant ass cleaver and only uses one sword so he can focus all his strength on that
he also doesnt have dozens of different techniques
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On December 17 2014 16:50 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 16:42 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 16:39 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:38 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 16:30 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:27 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 13:58 Sentenal wrote:
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He did. Brook said that during life, Ryuuma (during life) and Zoro were both strength-based Swordsmen, and both possessed roughly the same levels of destructive strength.
Zoro definitely has skill, but the root of most of his attacks lies in swinging really hard. It is Zoro's strength, not his skill, that allows him to make his thrusts and slashes to 'fly'. Zoro even has a technique where he buffs his muscles up even more than usual to hit even harder. he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight 99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out. its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely And behind that precise strike is his immense strength. ya but he relys more on skill then strength I'd say 50/50 but there's no way of knowing without actually asking Zoro himself since it isn't explicitly said anywhere other than the one remark by Brook. he uses multiple light weapons and uses combo attacks, thats not a strength based style Except when he is blasting through giant ass rock chunks, aka Pica. Also you can't say light weapons when referring to a swordsman man. Him having normal size swords doesn't mean he's a pussy and can't hold bigger ones, it's just his style. You wouldn't you call Zaraki Kenpachi from bleach a "skill" based swordsman because he isn't wielding a giant claymore. The dude is 99% strength and 1% technique and skill. he also has a giant ass cleaver and only uses one sword so he can focus all his strength on that he also doesnt have dozens of different techniques
Are you kidding me? You're gonna bring up his bankai that he showed for all of 3 pages, over the course of hundreds of chapters as the sole moment to reference...
I can't argue this anymore, you aren't acknowledging the points I'm making and where I'm right. You're only seeing the information that helps your viewpoint and ignoring everything else.
It's like saying if Zoro picked up a big sword over the course of almost 700 chapters he automatically a strength swordsman and everything else is null and point. Time to comb through all the chapters I guess...
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On December 16 2014 05:53 Hyperbola wrote:
10 tons is like an elephant. You don't think Mach Vise, the "big guy" of the donquixote family can lift an elephant? We've seen characters like Jozu toss iceburgs that would weigh 100 elephants. Even zoro has lifted a house before and he's not even a "strong man" type character.
This was the original quote that led to this discussion. I think we can all agree that Zoro is very strong, and uses his strength in all his attacks, BUT he isn't just a "strong man" character who ONLY uses strength/muscles to fight. He's not Burgess, he's not Jozu, he's not Miss Monday, he's a very strong swordsman.
I think Hyperbola's point was quite apt.
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On December 17 2014 16:58 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 16:50 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:42 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 16:39 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:38 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 16:30 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 16:27 Zooper31 wrote:On December 17 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote:On December 17 2014 15:07 Sentenal wrote:On December 17 2014 14:46 Forikorder wrote:
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he said they were both swordsmen who had mastered the power of destruction so it would be a short fight
99% of the time Zoro uses special techniques using between one and 3 swords, he doesnt just walk up to his opponent and try to shatter there guard with strength he thinks and plans out his moves to exploit weaknesses in there guard Thats a shitty translation from mangapanda, who we all know are masters of translation. I told you what he really said. Look up the actual japanese text if you don't believe me. The rest of what you said is completely irrelevant. Him using different amounts of swords doesn't change the fact that his style is based on hitting people really really hard with one to three swords. Wait, I'm arguing with Forikorder. This is pointless, I'm out. its not hitting them hard, its hitting them precisely And behind that precise strike is his immense strength. ya but he relys more on skill then strength I'd say 50/50 but there's no way of knowing without actually asking Zoro himself since it isn't explicitly said anywhere other than the one remark by Brook. he uses multiple light weapons and uses combo attacks, thats not a strength based style Except when he is blasting through giant ass rock chunks, aka Pica. Also you can't say light weapons when referring to a swordsman man. Him having normal size swords doesn't mean he's a pussy and can't hold bigger ones, it's just his style. You wouldn't you call Zaraki Kenpachi from bleach a "skill" based swordsman because he isn't wielding a giant claymore. The dude is 99% strength and 1% technique and skill. he also has a giant ass cleaver and only uses one sword so he can focus all his strength on that he also doesnt have dozens of different techniques Are you kidding me? You're gonna bring up his bankai that he showed for all of 3 pages, over the course of hundreds of chapters as the sole moment to reference... I can't argue this anymore, you aren't acknowledging the points I'm making and where I'm right. You're only seeing the information that helps your viewpoint and ignoring everything else. It's like saying if Zoro picked up a big sword over the course of almost 700 chapters he automatically a strength swordsman and everything else is null and point. Time to comb through all the chapters I guess...
so you are however ignoring that Zarakis fighting style relys on 0 subtlty (one one case his plan was to simply cut off all his opponents limbs so he couldnt block his sword anymore) and his "ultimate attack" was to grasp his sword in both hands to bring out his full strength?
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Zoro has subtlety? He just yells out whatever attack his is using "36 pheonixes" or whatever and blasts a laser from his sword. Anyways, what is a "strong man" character anyways? All of the characters named be it Burgess or Jozu has used some sort of physical technique or another.
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Zoro is immensely strength based, he also needs it
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On December 18 2014 01:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Zoro has subtlety? He just yells out whatever attack his is using "36 pheonixes" or whatever and blasts a laser from his sword. Anyways, what is a "strong man" character anyways? All of the characters named be it Burgess or Jozu has used some sort of physical technique or another.
strong men characters use there strength as there main point ramming it into there opponent to overwhelm there defenses and win that way
Zoro is very strong but does not win because he is strong, he is also fast and precise hes a very balanced character
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Zoro is a meat head, even more than luffy. Its why he's the most boring character.
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On December 18 2014 02:38 Chro wrote:
Zoro is a meat head, even more than luffy. Its why he's the most boring character.
Zoro is my favourite character you take that back. Probably because im a huge girl for over-the-top badassery though, i nearly died of nerdchills during thriller barks aftermath.
As for this strength discussion, Zoro is extremely strong, it is a big attribute in his fighting style and he uses it to great effect, alot of the time. However he also has the speed and brains to be considered more than a "strong-man", he's a strength-based swordsman, not a strong-man. Swordsman can mean many things, In zoros case i think he is an extremely well-rounded fighter in terms of strength/speed/skill/tactics, he often combos one or more of these attributes into his fighting style (see his sword skills that are often a direct result of his brute strength) although his tactics are usually simple but very robust / effective, he uses his head.
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