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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 31 2019 14:13 GMT
#30301
can't convince me that it will make sense for Luffy to be able to beat Kaido when Oden was this strong that many years before facing him and losing
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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
October 31 2019 15:17 GMT
#30302
On October 31 2019 23:13 Shellshock wrote:
can't convince me that it will make sense for Luffy to be able to beat Kaido when Oden was this strong that many years before facing him and losing


I'm convinced Oden lost to Kaidou after some underhanded trickery from Orochi. In other words, it wasn't a fair fight.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18564 Posts
October 31 2019 15:23 GMT
#30303
First of all luffy wont defeat him alone and secondly back then oden was the oldie and kaido the young guy wasnt he? Now its luffy and the others who are the younglings
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
October 31 2019 17:05 GMT
#30304
On November 01 2019 00:23 sharkie wrote:
First of all luffy wont defeat him alone and secondly back then oden was the oldie and kaido the young guy wasnt he? Now its luffy and the others who are the younglings


Oden and Kaido are roughly the same age. Both would have been in their thirties 20 yrs ago.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2547 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 21:04:48
October 31 2019 21:04 GMT
#30305
On October 31 2019 23:13 Shellshock wrote:
can't convince me that it will make sense for Luffy to be able to beat Kaido when Oden was this strong that many years before facing him and losing

Why not? Luffy beat Katakuri last arc who's second to only Big Mom.

Try this on for size: Luffy beat Crocodile before he got his gears or Haki. Mihawk is the "greatest swordsman" and dueled with Shanks - which logically puts him on a similar level to Shanks. Then during the Whitebeard war, Crocodile was able to stop Mihawk in his tracks.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 31 2019 22:07 GMT
#30306
Oden is probably strong, but killing a giant pig isn't really a feat of strength that is insane at this point in the game. Luffy could have pacified that pig with just Haki alone
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-31 22:22:08
October 31 2019 22:21 GMT
#30307
That's what I'm thinking too. Zoro could also cut that thing in half considering how he chopped up Pica.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 01 2019 00:49 GMT
#30308
The Monster Trio have been beating up giant monsters who eat cities all back to Arlong arc
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
November 01 2019 01:06 GMT
#30309
On November 01 2019 06:04 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2019 23:13 Shellshock wrote:
can't convince me that it will make sense for Luffy to be able to beat Kaido when Oden was this strong that many years before facing him and losing

Why not? Luffy beat Katakuri last arc who's second to only Big Mom.

Try this on for size: Luffy beat Crocodile before he got his gears or Haki. Mihawk is the "greatest swordsman" and dueled with Shanks - which logically puts him on a similar level to Shanks. Then during the Whitebeard war, Crocodile was able to stop Mihawk in his tracks.


you can never really use marineford for power scale. Oda had hard time trying to fit every characters in one place and giving each character their shining moment. If all admirals, shichibukai tried it would've been over in 3 mins probably but obviously that's not the typical storyline he would want. Had to somehow stall so wb pirates and luffy's escapees shine but in the end we basically know who lost.
Life is just life
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2547 Posts
November 01 2019 01:34 GMT
#30310
On November 01 2019 10:06 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2019 06:04 Hyperbola wrote:
On October 31 2019 23:13 Shellshock wrote:
can't convince me that it will make sense for Luffy to be able to beat Kaido when Oden was this strong that many years before facing him and losing

Why not? Luffy beat Katakuri last arc who's second to only Big Mom.

Try this on for size: Luffy beat Crocodile before he got his gears or Haki. Mihawk is the "greatest swordsman" and dueled with Shanks - which logically puts him on a similar level to Shanks. Then during the Whitebeard war, Crocodile was able to stop Mihawk in his tracks.


you can never really use marineford for power scale. Oda had hard time trying to fit every characters in one place and giving each character their shining moment. If all admirals, shichibukai tried it would've been over in 3 mins probably but obviously that's not the typical storyline he would want. Had to somehow stall so wb pirates and luffy's escapees shine but in the end we basically know who lost.

I agree. But I would go even further and say power scales in general are useless and fights in One Piece are there only to serve the story. Oda's main job is to build tension and provide resolution, which is why Luffy "loses" to villains and then comes back and beats them. Applying logic like a power scale to One Piece is ridiculous and a waste of time.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 01 2019 02:15 GMT
#30311
So Orochi killed his former master - extra cold blooded
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 01 2019 13:22 GMT
#30312
On November 01 2019 11:15 Bagration wrote:
So Orochi killed his former master - extra cold blooded

Exactly this. This is why this flashback is so good. It keeps adding weight and meaning to things we have seen in previous chapters.

The sacrifice of Kinemon's wife is another good example.

Orochi inspires a lot of hate and disgust, he's a great villain.
maru lover forever
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-01 17:21:06
November 01 2019 17:15 GMT
#30313
On November 01 2019 11:15 Bagration wrote:
So Orochi killed his former master - extra cold blooded

I would had honestly preferred it if Orochi was just another daimyo. After defeat, will Orochi end up doing the usual front page stories where he ends up using his devil fruit powers for good and beats up some pirates and then becomes a successful businessman celebrated by the local town? Or do you guys reckon Orochi would be too much of a bad guy for that?
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2055 Posts
November 01 2019 22:14 GMT
#30314
I don't think Orochi is gonna make it... About that Devil Fruit power though, I wonder how useful it actually is. Guy has several dragon heads, how shitty is that?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 01 2019 22:45 GMT
#30315
I mean Hydras are know for being immune to decapitation basically with the regrowing heads thing, so it could have that sort of busted regeneration power going for it.

I definitely wouldn’t turn down any mythical Zoan though
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
November 02 2019 16:54 GMT
#30316
Tried to dislike another flashback that has nothing even to do with main storyline like flashback to Orochi's take-over 20 years ago but then I read this and it's damn good storywriting, the kaiju setup was fun kinemon's resolve Oden's public perception & then the twist w/ Orochi.
The heart's eternal vow
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3261 Posts
November 03 2019 00:11 GMT
#30317
I like the flashback story, I don't like the point of the story it's told at. Kinda waiting for the climax of the arc here.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 03 2019 10:19 GMT
#30318
Well Oda is structuring the arc after a traditional Japanese Kabuki.
Never Knows Best.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 04 2019 15:57 GMT
#30319
I don't see Oda doing anything different from what Oda does. So how would Kabuki figure into arc structure?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55563 Posts
November 04 2019 17:05 GMT
#30320
It's a bit more pronounced because Oda is actually labelling the acts as one would in a Kabuki play this time (we're in act 3 now, which is the act where tragedy takes place), but that really hasn't made it too different from any regular One Piece arc.
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