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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 29 2019 14:53 GMT
#30341
Roger’s old title is lame
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-29 14:56:45
November 29 2019 14:53 GMT
#30342
I like the flashback a lot, and that's from someone who dislikes them quite often. But this one really gives emotional weight to the current story and the fight against Kaido. Oden is like Luffy in almost every way, someone every OP reader sympathizes with, yet we know he was brutally tortured, boiled alive and executed and the soul of Wano essentially died with him. This arc so far lacked that darkness I thought - people are starving, Kaido and Orochi are bad guys for overthrowing a guy everyone liked and being shit rulers - boring. It didn't have the emotional impact of something like Fishman Island, now it does. Even more so when, I assume, we get to the conspiracy against Oden and how Kaido got involved.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 29 2019 15:10 GMT
#30343
This flashback is one of the best in the series, imo. One Piece is just always so good. I don't want this flashback to end. I want to see more of Whitebeard and Roger and Oden. and I think a lot will be explained about the main story. Oda said so. We'll learn more about One Piece and the Void Century and many other things.

I fucking love one piece
maru lover forever
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2544 Posts
November 29 2019 15:26 GMT
#30344
On November 30 2019 00:10 Incognoto wrote:
This flashback is one of the best in the series, imo. One Piece is just always so good. I don't want this flashback to end. I want to see more of Whitebeard and Roger and Oden. and I think a lot will be explained about the main story. Oda said so. We'll learn more about One Piece and the Void Century and many other things.

I fucking love one piece

Oda has a talent for flashbacks. I remember that I really enjoyed the Luffy/Ace/Sabo flashback back in the day and didn't want it to end. I reminded me of early Naruto with little kids coming of age and making their way in the world. This Oden flashback feels like early One Piece where it was all about adventure and interactions between the crew. Couple that with some awesome characters we didn't get to see much of in the main series and you've got yourself a winner.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
November 29 2019 20:10 GMT
#30345
Can't wait to see Kaido free Wano from the tyrannical rule of Oden and his thugs
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GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
December 02 2019 20:09 GMT
#30346
On November 30 2019 05:10 Paljas wrote:
Can't wait to see Kaido free Wano from the tyrannical rule of Oden and his thugs


Oden and his thugs haven't even ruled yet.
Elerris
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia137 Posts
December 13 2019 11:25 GMT
#30347
Chapter is out

https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/965/page/1

Roger pirates look so badass, and young shanks looks super cute.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 13 2019 12:14 GMT
#30348
The witch part had me confused. Who is the witch? Why does she have the mane mane ability and at the same time the raw fruit there? Is he implying orochi ate it, then how does Mr 2. currently have it?
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-13 12:39:39
December 13 2019 12:35 GMT
#30349
The chapter jumps around a little bit in time.

The witch is probably Orochi's grandma, wife of the Daimyo who killed the other Daimyos, but never specified. Almost definitely one of his relatives that was forced out of the country when Orochi's grandfather was forced to kill himself.

Orochi did not eat the mane mane fruit, he has the 8 Headed snake fruit. The fruit sitting there appears to have 8 leafs that turn into heads. That is probably his 8 headed snake fruit and he probably ate it at that point and actually had the ability the whole time, even while working under Yasuie.

The witch dies sometime later, not specified yet and Mr 2 somehow got it. There is a character on Whitebeard's ship (page 4) that looks a bit like Mr 2 with a ponytail, although that's probably just a coincidence. (edit: the age would not work out)

So it was actually the witch impersonating Oden that helped get Orochi into Sukiyaki's employ. They likely poisoned Sukiyaki and then it was the witch impersonating Sukiyaki that handed the country over to Orochi. Pretty underhanded stuff. That fruit is pretty dangerous in underhanded hands.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-13 15:04:22
December 13 2019 15:04 GMT
#30350
I would be disappointed if the person using the Imitation Fruit was just someone from Orochi's clan. The fruit's ability letting the user change their appearance would make it possible for it to be anyone, setting up a much greater intrigue!
Could it be perhaps a CP0 agent setting up Orochi as the ruler of Wano and their marionette?

Also, is that the first devil fruit user (and the first devil fruit) featured in the flashback? Given the unknown origin of the DFs, it would not be impossible for them to not appear natively in Wano. Although maybe they do, since Kanjuro and Kinemon posses those in the present and I doubt they would receive from the shogunate before the time travel. Maybe Oden brought the fruits for his retainers?
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CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
555 Posts
December 13 2019 19:03 GMT
#30351
Blackbeard!
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
December 13 2019 20:19 GMT
#30352
On December 14 2019 00:04 Ej_ wrote:
I would be disappointed if the person using the Imitation Fruit was just someone from Orochi's clan. The fruit's ability letting the user change their appearance would make it possible for it to be anyone, setting up a much greater intrigue!
Could it be perhaps a CP0 agent setting up Orochi as the ruler of Wano and their marionette?

Also, is that the first devil fruit user (and the first devil fruit) featured in the flashback? Given the unknown origin of the DFs, it would not be impossible for them to not appear natively in Wano. Although maybe they do, since Kanjuro and Kinemon posses those in the present and I doubt they would receive from the shogunate before the time travel. Maybe Oden brought the fruits for his retainers?


The CP0 agent setting up Orochi is an interesting idea. From what we can tell, Wano doesn't know anything about devil fruits and their abilities. They just say anything related to devil fruits is either a form of magic or ninjutsu. This means it wouldn't make sense for the old lady, a resident of Wano, to know that pineapple fruit is a devil fruit and that it will give Orochi a devil fruit power. She also named her own devil fruit.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 14 2019 00:37 GMT
#30353
On December 13 2019 21:14 Warri wrote:
The witch part had me confused. Who is the witch? Why does she have the mane mane ability and at the same time the raw fruit there? Is he implying orochi ate it, then how does Mr 2. currently have it?

She has the mane mane fruit because its like 30 years ago, and she offers Orochi a different Devil Fruit, which is obviously the Zoan-type fruit he currently has.

Mr. 2 has the fruit now because she was an old woman like 30 years ago and must have died by now.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
December 14 2019 17:17 GMT
#30354
On December 14 2019 09:37 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 21:14 Warri wrote:
The witch part had me confused. Who is the witch? Why does she have the mane mane ability and at the same time the raw fruit there? Is he implying orochi ate it, then how does Mr 2. currently have it?

She has the mane mane fruit because its like 30 years ago, and she offers Orochi a different Devil Fruit, which is obviously the Zoan-type fruit he currently has.

Mr. 2 has the fruit now because she was an old woman like 30 years ago and must have died by now.

Exactly.
maru lover forever
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 14 2019 17:50 GMT
#30355
On December 14 2019 09:37 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 21:14 Warri wrote:
The witch part had me confused. Who is the witch? Why does she have the mane mane ability and at the same time the raw fruit there? Is he implying orochi ate it, then how does Mr 2. currently have it?

She has the mane mane fruit because its like 30 years ago, and she offers Orochi a different Devil Fruit, which is obviously the Zoan-type fruit he currently has.

Mr. 2 has the fruit now because she was an old woman like 30 years ago and must have died by now.


She might be an old woman or anyone else given the fruit. I would also be moderately surprised if she died of old age as opposed to being killed (possibly by Orochi), but regardless we know she will die.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 14 2019 19:31 GMT
#30356
On December 15 2019 02:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2019 09:37 Sentenal wrote:
On December 13 2019 21:14 Warri wrote:
The witch part had me confused. Who is the witch? Why does she have the mane mane ability and at the same time the raw fruit there? Is he implying orochi ate it, then how does Mr 2. currently have it?

She has the mane mane fruit because its like 30 years ago, and she offers Orochi a different Devil Fruit, which is obviously the Zoan-type fruit he currently has.

Mr. 2 has the fruit now because she was an old woman like 30 years ago and must have died by now.


She might be an old woman or anyone else given the fruit. I would also be moderately surprised if she died of old age as opposed to being killed (possibly by Orochi), but regardless we know she will die.

Yea, she could have been murdered, but all we know 100% is shes dead by the present.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 16 2019 02:27 GMT
#30357
Orochi probably has her assassinated to tie up loose ends
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 17 2019 13:33 GMT
#30358
Wouldn't suprise me if it was Orochi that killed her off rather than natural causes. Oda is not exactly a subtle storyteller. This guy looks evil and slimy, so of course he does evil and slimy stuff.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 18 2019 06:32 GMT
#30359
On December 17 2019 22:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Wouldn't suprise me if it was Orochi that killed her off rather than natural causes. Oda is not exactly a subtle storyteller. This guy looks evil and slimy, so of course he does evil and slimy stuff.


You're basing that on his looks rather than the fact that he was introduced as a villain and has literally only done evil things the entire time he's been around?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 18 2019 16:37 GMT
#30360
I am basing on that evil guy does evil things is basically Oda's odus operandi. We all know that orochi is not going to suddenly turn around and weep for the death of mysterious old woman who is probably his relative, or some sort of in depth characterisation, that isn't what One Piece is about.
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