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Elentos
55594 Posts
On June 24 2019 21:09 Archeon wrote: That smile only produces dinosaurs is a bit boring though, since that reduces the number of things they can do instead of increasing them. It doesn't. The only dinosaur users we've seen so far have all eaten actual DFs, not SMILE. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
TLDR zoans aren’t worth giving up your ability to swim in the OP world Edit: the human human fruits seem overall more useful among the zoans too edit 2: I think Minks also make zoans look even worse than before too. Minks are basically already the hybrid form which is the alleged "strongest" zoan form but then they have Sulong and Electro on top of that hybrid form leaving Zoans further behind | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On June 26 2019 11:08 Shellshock wrote: Like I mentioned earlier the impressiveness of zoansnwas pretty much neutered by “normal” bodied humans performing super human feats. One of the things saving zoans before was the ability of some to fly but even people like sanji can more or less fly now so they don’t even have that. Marco’s regen and Kaido being an op giant fucking dragon is about all I have going for them rn TLDR zoans aren’t worth giving up your ability to swim in the OP world Edit: the human human fruits seem overall more useful among the zoans too edit 2: I think Minks also make zoans look even worse than before too. Minks are basically already the hybrid form which is the alleged "strongest" zoan form but then they have Sulong and Electro on top of that hybrid form leaving Zoans further behind the power creep is real | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
On June 26 2019 11:08 Shellshock wrote: Like I mentioned earlier the impressiveness of zoansnwas pretty much neutered by “normal” bodied humans performing super human feats. One of the things saving zoans before was the ability of some to fly but even people like sanji can more or less fly now so they don’t even have that. Marco’s regen and Kaido being an op giant fucking dragon is about all I have going for them rn TLDR zoans aren’t worth giving up your ability to swim in the OP world Edit: the human human fruits seem overall more useful among the zoans too edit 2: I think Minks also make zoans look even worse than before too. Minks are basically already the hybrid form which is the alleged "strongest" zoan form but then they have Sulong and Electro on top of that hybrid form leaving Zoans further behind See the thing is, by that logic Devil fruits in general are kinda shit. Characters like Garp, Vergo, Mihawk, and Rayleigh are all crazy powerful AND can swim. Zoans, like you said, used to give you super strength but now you can just get super strength naturally. Logias used to give you immunity to physical attacks, but now that's negated by haki. And even Paramecias which are usually creative are most of the time just average. You obviously have exceptions like Law's Ope Ope no mi which allows you to do interesting things outside of battle. However, looking at something like Bellamy's Bane Bane no mi which just allows him to jump quickly or Mr. 2's Supa Supa no mi which allows him to turn his body into iron... well you can do all that shit with training and haki. Notice how Big Mom's fruit powers just enabled her to instantly kill weaklings and how she relied on her physical strength to fight serious opponents? Notice how Kaido turned back into his human form to one-shot Luffy? Notice how all of Whitebeard's earthquake shock waves relied on his physical strength and could probably have been accomplished with an air slash like Mihawk? The Yonku don't even rely on their Devil Fruits that much. Blackbeard's the exception but the most use for his fruit is absorbing other people's devil fruits outside of combat. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
I guess the concept of Haki was necessary as Logias would just be impossible to beat otherwise (unless you had specific advantages like Luffy vs Enel or Akainu vs Ace), but it has spiraled out of control a bit to the point where it does seem like most fruits are really underwhelming unless they're useful outside of fights, or provide some advantage in them that Haki doesn't. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
Regarding Haki, it's pretty unclear to me when he came up with armament. The other haki types are fairly obvious and Haki was first used as a term in Jaya. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 23 2019 03:41 Olli wrote: Turns out I was right about Brachiosauri What about now. Did that beautiful dive impress you? He learned from the best diver around (Kaido). And Hyogoro and Luffy's antics are great. On June 28 2019 02:32 Olli wrote: Kind of obvious to me that Oda hadn't thought of Haki until quite late on. When Blackbeard's fruit is first introduced, one of the reasons he cites for wanting that particular fruit is being able to touch Logia users who "rely too much on their abilities". Ace is really surprised when BB touches him, too. I guess the concept of Haki was necessary as Logias would just be impossible to beat otherwise (unless you had specific advantages like Luffy vs Enel or Akainu vs Ace), but it has spiraled out of control a bit to the point where it does seem like most fruits are really underwhelming unless they're useful outside of fights, or provide some advantage in them that Haki doesn't. I mean Blackbeard's fruit is able to completely nullify someone's powers by touching them which is way better than just being able to hit them. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
Notice how Big Mom's fruit powers just enabled her to instantly kill weaklings and how she relied on her physical strength to fight serious opponents? what? no when shes serious she goes all out with her sword hat and zeus prometheus supporting | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On June 28 2019 16:25 Olli wrote: Still not impressed. That weight fruit guy from pre-Alabasta could have done that stunt even better! was a girl actually | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
Paramecia are hit or miss and Zoans aren't as strong it seems unless they are one of the rare ones. Devil fruits are still strong and most of the top power characters have or had one. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Oh you're right. Was that Miss Sunday? Man that was a long time ago. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
In the beginning of OP, the powerful characters were mostly devil fruit users, due to the fact that they had eaten devil fruits. Turns out just eating a devil fruit to gain powers doesn't really cut it. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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