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Elentos
55594 Posts
On June 17 2016 18:45 Incognoto wrote: Doflamingo was a pretty strong bastard though and the fight ended up being pretty one-sided when Luffy went into G4. Just my speculation though He still tanked a bunch of G4 hits after having his internal organs ruptured. There's no way he's that much tougher than Big Mom. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
That's the same as saying Kizaro is the weakest of the pre-timeskip admirals lol. Still makes him imba as fuck. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On June 17 2016 19:24 sharkie wrote: Being labeled as weakest of the Yoko is nothing bad imo. They are all super humans with ridiciously strong powers. That's the same as saying Kizaro is the weakest of the pre-timeskip admirals lol. Still makes him imba as fuck. I have nothing against saying she's the weakest. But the thought that G4 Luffy could one-shot her is upsetting. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
i'm quite impressed by that actually | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On June 17 2016 20:20 Makro wrote: part of her power is also in her connection and territories, it's damn well organized and coherent (see the detection system that luffy's crew has to avoid) i'm quite impressed by that actually yeah that's kind of what i meant, though my bad i wasn't super clear about it i think we've had this discussion before but i associate part of being a yonko as "political" strength, not just brute fighting power. in this sense, it's >possible< (but not certain) that luffy's G4 is on par with Big mom and king kong gun had the marketing/goal of being a one-hit wonder (luffy saying that he'd finish off doflamingo in one hit). true, doffy was weakened so... pincha salt! | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
When meteors or Lava starts coming she as to be able to stop them not her armies.. So i would say she is pretty powerfull and much more then DD.. Luffy shouldn't be able to win imo not alone .. the idea of him winning a food contest could happen that would be trully OPlike | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
they somewhat bring order, when WB died it has been chaos for a decent period of times | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
remember that the first thing that luffy did upon entering the grand line was wrecking a warlord lol also moria apparently crossed swords with kaido (before becoming a fat shallot) and luffy beat him up so realistically it's perhaps not impossible for luffy to beat up a yonko? especially the weakest one, which is imo big mom. sure she's a yonko, but she's weaker than whitebeard (coined as the strongest man alive) so i dunno | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
I don't even know how you guys can begin to rank them in power since we really haven't seen shit of them. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Everything points to him at very least not being the weakest. Same could be said for Kaido. So far the most we've seen out of Big Mom is trashing a few islands. Sure you can't conclude anything but so far, nothing impressive. I'm just bored at work and speculating though. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On June 17 2016 21:59 Makro wrote: i think the very first reason akainu or the WG don't attack big mom is more political than about pure power, but that's part of her global strength as a yonko they somewhat bring order, when WB died it has been chaos for a decent period of times nonsense, WB was the only one who focused more on creating peace putting islands under his control and then not asking anything of them (as far as we know) the islands under Big Mom would forever be in fear of failing to meet a quota and getting wiped out even with perfect bait setting up an extremely entrenched defensive position pulling back every asset they were capable of mustering and unveiling there brand new super weapons it still ended up more as a tie, if WG tried to assault whole cake island it would be a slaughter and would leave them way open for Kaidou or Blackbeard to attack | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18759 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On June 18 2016 13:33 Forikorder wrote: nonsense, WB was the only one who focused more on creating peace putting islands under his control and then not asking anything of them (as far as we know) the islands under Big Mom would forever be in fear of failing to meet a quota and getting wiped out even with perfect bait setting up an extremely entrenched defensive position pulling back every asset they were capable of mustering and unveiling there brand new super weapons it still ended up more as a tie, if WG tried to assault whole cake island it would be a slaughter and would leave them way open for Kaidou or Blackbeard to attack well yea that what i said the world of one piece, specially with the WG and the 4 yonko is a constant struggle of power, if something becomes weaker it's gonna create massive chaos currently statu quo is the best option | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
well yea that what i said i was referring to this bit they somewhat bring order, when WB died it has been chaos for a decent period of times if they wiped out Big Mam it wouldnt cause chaos becuase shes not really protecting jack shit and unlike Whitebeard is actively participating i territorial disputes so by removing a ton of pirates from the sea would create more order | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Alternatively, one Yonkou would seamlessly slink in and nothing would really change, but that sort of relies on the temperament of the Yonkou and currently only Shanks doesn't seem to have a serious interest in aggressive expansion. Now that isn't to say that Big Mom is necessarily GOOD, I mean the tribute demands and harsh punishment given to those who fail to adequately deliver tribute are pretty bad, but thats still more Lawful Evil then Chaotic Neutral. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On June 19 2016 12:01 Zambrah wrote: It would cause chaos in that territories currently under the protection of Big Mom would (in theory) become contested between other Yonkou. These territories would pretty much become semi-battlegrounds as Yonkou crews try and assert control over the island by removing/killing the opposing crew and causing collateral damage. For instance, say Big Mom died, and Whole Cake Island became up for grabs suddenly, then Kaidou and Blackbeard would hop in and attempt to assert control over that island, likely causing a ton of violent conflict. Alternatively, one Yonkou would seamlessly slink in and nothing would really change, but that sort of relies on the temperament of the Yonkou and currently only Shanks doesn't seem to have a serious interest in aggressive expansion. Now that isn't to say that Big Mom is necessarily GOOD, I mean the tribute demands and harsh punishment given to those who fail to adequately deliver tribute are pretty bad, but thats still more Lawful Evil then Chaotic Neutral. i dont think you understand how alignment works... she takes over countries purely based on the sweets/other food there capable of producing and basically hold the entire country hostage to force them to deliver the food, thats neutral evil its had to really say without a map of the new world and how the yonkou territories look but its unlikely Kaidou or Blackbeard have the forces to lay reasonable claim to a (presumably) large patch of ocean and considering Big Moms critea likely wouldnt want to its possible there would be more battles between Kaidou/Blackbeard (assuming they fight) since they have one less member in there "mexican standoff" but if we look at the bigger picture removing Big Moms reign of terror is much more likely to cause good events then bad ones | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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