EPTOn June 04 2015 22:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Don't you even dare start to compare OP and Bleach. Seriously, I will ban people for it.
Don't you even dare start to compare OP and Bleach. Seriously, I will ban people for it.
they're pretty much the same
[Manga] One Piece - Page 1097
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Shellshock
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they're pretty much the same | ||
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Racket
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On June 05 2015 05:07 Racket wrote: I have to say that rei is right and Oda is wrong. In this manga people blocks with their faces and head. This chapter couldn't be more clear about that. What even is this post? | ||
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Racket
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If you hang around long enough you will get it. | ||
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Bizaraciel
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Gonna bite, other than the fact that they are both shounen no they are not the same but you're probably trolling. | ||
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Sentenal
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QuickStriker
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On June 05 2015 03:50 Hyperbola wrote: Apparently Dressroa is the size of a tiny island and only really has one city so why not? Who even cares about this little, inconsequential country. It's like Rhode Island. Except, according to 2014 data, the population of Rhode Island is still 1.055 million people despite being such a small state. Sure this Dressrosa island size and population is probably in smaller portion compared to the size/population of Rhode Island. On June 05 2015 04:05 sumsaR wrote: Exactly. It's a tiny little town, in essence. And that factory is gigantic, with seemingly multiple levels. I'm sure every civilian would fit. But let's assume both of you here think putting all xx thousands of citizens into one single factory building made out of sea stone is the best solution. But is it the safest solution? The bird cage is growing smaller and smaller, rapidly, and the factory only has technically one entrance from what we saw. You also need an orderly control of citizens entering into the factory assuming all citizens behave properly and not go into chaotic mood. But your theory ends flaws to these following reasons: 1. Factory is one end country/fixed location whereas the citizens are all spread out, spanning all the way from the other side. Could they reach to the factory before bird cage caught up to them and slice them into pieces (assuming Zoro and company never bothered to push back bird cage but instead go for a free-for-all into the factory?) 2. The common civilians and population can't wait in line to go into a safe spot knowing that there's this killer bird cage drawing near. They will all push one another, a possible stampede, causing those not strong nor able to be crushed by others if they all knew factory is the only option left for them. 3. Not everyone even knows about the existence of factory (especially civilians and marines) nor the fact that it's made out of sea-stone. How will the message be put out to all tens of thousands of civilians to go there without a massive panic free-for-all rush into factory in time? 4. Old people. These are just some of many reasons why your idea is a big plot hole. Pushing the bird cage back is simply less of a plot hole. The End. | ||
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sumsaR
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On June 05 2015 05:56 QuickStriker wrote: 3. Not everyone even knows about the existence of factory (especially civilians and marines) nor the fact that it's made out of sea-stone. How will the message be put out to all tens of thousands of civilians to go there without a massive panic free-for-all rush into factory in time? "Dang, that enormous building is literally used to push the bird cage that's trying to kill us! I've got an idea! Let's go inside it. Last one's a chicken's penis." | ||
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Racket
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On June 05 2015 05:56 QuickStriker wrote: The End. THE End | ||
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rei
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about blocking with face, even in our reality, real people train their body to a point where they can literally block sharp objects with their skins. and you should not be phasing it as i'm right and oda is wrong, it should had been i'm interrupted oda right, and you guys just couldn't perceive the depth of oda's wisdom. Oh by the way what if Oda wants everybody to be trapped inside the factory and then use all of them as ingredient to make his artificial devil fruit? | ||
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sumsaR
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On June 05 2015 06:16 rei wrote: they can literally block sharp objects with their skins. You're using literally literally incorrectly. | ||
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Yorbon
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Raneth
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On June 05 2015 06:16 rei wrote: The game Mingo proposed when he activated the birdcage and broadcast the star bounty to the entire island said that the game would end if they kill him first. He's a man of his words because he has never lost before, he gets whatever he wanted by any means. Based on that it is save to assume that the birdcage would end if he were to get knocked out or killed. about blocking with face, even in our reality, real people train their body to a point where they can literally block sharp objects with their skins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diF2aQ8RCo4 and you should not be phasing it as i'm right and oda is wrong, it should had been i'm interrupted oda right, and you guys just couldn't perceive the depth of oda's wisdom. Oh by the way what if Oda wants everybody to be trapped inside the factory and then use all of them as ingredient to make his artificial devil fruit? I think a lot of the arguments in this thread could be summed up as: Someone who is potentially not a speaker of English as a first language: Person x has/cant/wont/did/can/will y! Someone who knows the definition of y: Not: Person x did/can/will/has/cant/wont y, because y has hasn't been shown in the manga. -long and pointless back and fourth of these two opinions- Someone points out that the definition of y means that the claim is wrong. "You knew what I meant, ok, they didnt y, they z, im still right" You are right now that you're claiming they did z. I think a lot of these conversations could be quickly resolved with: "Sorry, I did not know the exact definition of that word, what I meant was....." In this case, Rei, people were objecting to your use of the word block, i'm not sure if you picked it deliberately to cause a fuss or were unaware what it meant, I will assume the latter!  The verb block, in the way being discussed here means:Put an obstacle in the way of (something proposed or attempted): he stood up, blocking her escape (from the oxford dictionary) and is distinct from say a guard: Protect against damage or harm or a parry: Ward off (a weapon or attack) with a countermove A block is a distinct type of defence, characterised by preventing an opponents attack from reaching its destination by placing something -else- in the way. QED it is -impossible- to -block- a punch to your face with your face. The attack his hit its target. In the case of luffy in this last chapter, he -did- block the sword with his head. Because the attack was aimed at Viola, and by placing his body in the way, he was -blocking- the attack from reading its destination. Vergo did not -block- smokers attacks to his face, he was simply strong enough that they did not hurt him. You are right that Doffy used haki to survive the attacks that would surely have otherwise killed him, but he did not -block- them. His haki just made them do less damage. I hope this has cleared up that confusion. The important part of your claim was never (or should never) have been that Doffy was -blocking- Luffy, but that his Haki was allowing him to take significantly reduced damage. Becuase of your use of the word block however, people we dissagreeing with you in a knee jerk reaction to you claiming the seemingly impossible, making it hard for people to discuss the interesting issue which was "How much damage is G4 Luffy doing to Doffy?" I hope in future when someone says: "X can Y" and someone's response is: "that is not what it means to Y" We can quickly make sure we are not facing a language barrier, and then go on to have an interesting discussion about what is/isnt taking place! | ||
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rei
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On June 05 2015 06:42 Raneth wrote: QED it is -impossible- to -block- a punch to your face with your face. The attack his hit its target. I'm not sure what QED has anything to do with punches, unless you are talking about Kizaru which has light fruit maybe then you can argue his punch is made out of photon. The simple answer here, Mingo block it by activating his Haki in his own face, as that's the only blocking he could have done as oppose to not activating his haki and let Luffy pummel his head in, and that would be luffy hitting its target instead of a face full of indestructible haki The more advanced answer here, that wall of text you type clearly shown that your understanding of combat is the problem here, not my understanding of the Language. Where you only able to see the surface and say the attack hit its target, I on the other hand goes on level deeper, I focus on what is the purpose of hitting that target, You think that a connection with whatever weapon of choice to the target is a hit, but in reality if the purpose of that connection is not fulfill then that connection is a fail. and whatever it was that made this hit a fail is what I call blocking. In this case, every single punch thrown at Mingo has the purpose to knock him out, and every single one of them failed that purpose. Another example, Enel hit luffy with all his lightning attacks with the intend to kill and luffy block it with his body and took no damage because he's made out of rubber. So no it has nothing to do with the mastery of a language, it has everything to do with seeing things from a different perspective. | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On June 05 2015 08:33 rei wrote: I'm not sure what QED has anything to do with punches, unless you are talking about Kizaru which has light fruit maybe then you can argue his punch is made out of photon. The simple answer here, Mingo block it by activating his Haki in his own face, as that's the only blocking he could have done as oppose to not activating his haki and let Luffy pummel his head in, and that would be luffy hitting its target instead of a face full of indestructible haki The more advanced answer here, that wall of text you type clearly shown that your understanding of combat is the problem here, not my understanding of the Language. Where you only able to see the surface and say the attack hit its target, I on the other hand goes on level deeper, I focus on what is the purpose of hitting that target, You think that a connection with whatever weapon of choice to the target is a hit, but in reality if the purpose of that connection is not fulfill then that connection is a fail. and whatever it was that made this hit a fail is what I call blocking. In this case, every single punch thrown at Mingo has the purpose to knock him out, and every single one of them failed that purpose. Another example, Enel hit luffy with all his lightning attacks with the intend to kill and luffy block it with his body and took no damage because he's made out of rubber. So no it has nothing to do with the mastery of a language, it has everything to do with seeing things from a different perspective. Once again, really hoping to avoid a pointless conversation and focus on the thing you actually care about. How much damage Luffy did to Doffy. What you are describing is simply not what blocking is. As I tried to point out to you Luffy did not "block" lightning by being rubber. Lightning simply did not harm him, it still hit its target. Its not to do with a mastery of language, it is to do with knowing what words mean. Different words mean different things. At this point Rei, the appropriate response would be: "Oh, my bad, I guess I didnt know the specific meaning of block. But I still dont think Luffy did much damage to Doffy, because Doffy used Haki to defend against the attacks." I am not attackign you personally, but this is not a debate, in the way we can debate how much damage Luffy did or did not do. This is just fact. Its not you going deeper, and having a deeper understanding. It is you trying to redefine a word which has a definition in order to avoid being wrong. When the correct and mature thing to do, is simply admit that the word you used was wrong, and that you think using the correct word, (defend/guard/or somesuch depending on what you're tryign to convey) mingo was able to mitigate damage. Hopefully we can get past this. I have linked you to the definition, and I'm going to have to assume that any further attempt to disagree is a deliberate attempt to de-rail the thread, or an attempt to antagonise people for the sake of it. It would be a shame to have to reach that conclusion! EDIT: To clarify, here is the claim you are making: "Doffy blocked Luffy's attacks with his face by using haki." This claim is false, becuase that is not what it means to block. Here is a claim you could make instead "By using haki on his face, Doffy was able to guard all of Luffy's attacks." This claim is not instantly false like the other, becuase in this world, people can use Haki to guard against attacks with varying levels of success. The word you are using is litterally the wrong word. Imagine you were saying: "Doffy dodged Luffy's attack by hitting them with his face and using Haki." Does it become more clear how this specific type of defence "dodging" is distinct from "blocking" and incorrect in this situation? Just as Doffy did not dodge the attacks, he also did not block the attacks, but that does not mean he did not defend the attacks. Once again, you are using the wrong word Hopefully this is clear to you now! | ||
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rei
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sumsaR
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On June 05 2015 08:52 rei wrote: That video clearly shows the monk use his own skin to block the drill from penetrating his skull. What other word do you use to describe it? his skin parry it? the skin guard against it? the skin " _____ " it ???? fill in the blank. So you're saying that a thin layer of skin is solely responsible? No other thing prevents it from piercing his skull? Alright. Nice anatomy and physics there. Your trolling is weak. | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On June 05 2015 08:52 sumsaR wrote: Semantics. Block. Mitigate. Negate. Make ineffective. Whatever. Same meaning in this case. So you're saying that a thin layer of skin is solely responsible? No other thing prevents it from piercing his skull? Alright. Nice anatomy and physics there. Your trolling is weak. Mitigate and Negate have very different meanings to block and either would be suitable for him to use in this case over the latter EDIT: A block can mitigate or negate damage, so can a dodge, so can a parry. These words all negate or mitigate damage, but they are all distinct acts, with distinct definitions, and distinct meanings. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
What else do you think is responsible? do you think the monk is using some cheap tricks like dull drill and not put any pressure on the drill into his skins but only acting like he does. How do you explain the sensor data they were gathering during that video? or are you referring to his martial art training? | ||
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Raneth
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On June 05 2015 09:01 rei wrote: i'm not the one started arguing about semantics and try to use it as an argument. and luffy block that sword with his face. he block it so good that the sword broke and his face didn't leave a scratch. What do you have to say about this block eh? What else do you think is responsible? do you think the monk is using some cheap tricks like dull drill and not put any pressure on the drill into his skins but only acting like he does. How do you explain the sensor data they were gathering during that video? or are you referring to his martial art training? As I already said, Luffy -did- block the sword with his head. The monk clearly was not harmed by the drill, but that does not make it a block. Which I have also repeatedly said EDIT: Also Rei, Im not "arguing about semantics" I am flat out telling you that you are using the wrong word to get your point across, I have not disagreed with your point, just the words you are using. I am trying to help you ^_^ | ||
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