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On April 24 2015 12:01 rei wrote: wtf god mode? he did basically no damage to mingo, he got up from that punch wonder wtf happened to him, if he were hurting he wouldn't be wondering, he would be vomiting blood, and then got drop kicked in the face but that only pissed him off even more. remember Mingo just almost died from Law's attack, he's basically half dead, and luffy can't put a half dead Mingo away. Luffy's far from god mode.
The original point that everyone is making against rei is this quote ^, where rei said Lufffy's attacks did 0 damage to doffy.
But looking back at the manga, Doffy definately took damage even though he defended himself in time with haki (Doflamingo DID vomit blood, and I don't think we disagree that the haki did reduce the amount of damage that Doflamingo could have taken.)
I think your misconception is that Doffy "immediately" gets up after the attack like it did nothing to him. Oda isn't going to waste pages by making Doffy lie on the floor for more than 1 page for fast paced fights. In the anime, I think we might see Doflamingo lie in the ground for 5 minutes before being able to get up.
and you are picking "no damage" as your point of attack(i didn't say no damage, i said basically no damage, huge difference) and quote that whole thing out of context. that entire quote is addressed to someone else calling luffy's gear4 god mode, and I am trying to point out that the gear4 hit Mingo a few times but Mingo still standing, so maybe i exaggerated a little about the no damage, but that's not the point i'm making. and you make no effect in addressing the point i was making in that quote you quoted, which is about rather or not luffy's gear4 is god mode.
"basically no damage" is wrong as well. Look at page 9, he did take huge amount of damage. I think a lot of us don't agree that Luffy's G4 is "godmode" either, but your response to that was very exagerrated, so that's entirely your fault and you deserve the flack you got.
So main points:
1. disagree with godmode 2. you overexaggerated your response by saying "basically no damage" <-- this is completely false and this is what everyone is arguing about against you.
case closed
Edit: There is less of a difference between "no damage" and "basically no damage" than "basically no damage" and "quite a bit of damage". So no, there is not a "HUGE difference" between no damage and basically no damage, as you said.
case closed? which case? Mingo's face blocking manlyness? you don't closed it, i did when i proved without a doubt that Mingo block luffy's attack with his face. Another piece of evidence is that Luffy didn't even manage to break Mingo's sunglasses when Mingo block his drop kick with his face, how much damage could Mingo have taken if luffy couldn't even destroy his sunglasses? I would go as far as argue all those blood from Mingo's mouth are from the damage law gave him before luffy goes gear4.
"Blocking an attack" implies he prevented Luffy from hitting where he wanted to hit. But I think Luffy intended to hit Doffy's face, so no, his attack didn't get "blocked".
You can say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your arms. You can't really say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your face.
On April 24 2015 14:20 saltywet wrote: "Blocking an attack" implies he prevented Luffy from hitting where he wanted to hit. But I think Luffy intended to hit Doffy's face, so no, his attack didn't get "blocked".
You can say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your arms. You can't really say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your face.
let me educate you.
This is blocking a kick with nuts imbued with haki, I got evidence to back up all my claims.
That;s not what I would call blocking lol. He got outspeeded and only realized in the last second that Luffy's feet were about to smash his face. It was a desperate move of Doffy and it was the only thing he could do.
On April 24 2015 14:20 saltywet wrote: "Blocking an attack" implies he prevented Luffy from hitting where he wanted to hit. But I think Luffy intended to hit Doffy's face, so no, his attack didn't get "blocked".
You can say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your arms. You can't really say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your face.
But Mingo did show off his manlyness in putting up his haki with a split second reflex, and also the strength of his haki where a full body dropkick to the face in gear4 luffy couldn't break as much as his sunglasses. Yes he didn't choose to get hit in the face, but he block it none the less, because he did choose to block it.
Consider this, he has a choice, he can choose to block it and live or not block it and let luffy take his head off.
On April 24 2015 14:35 rei wrote: But Mingo did show off his manlyness in putting up his haki with a split second reflex, and also the strength of his haki where a full body dropkick to the face in gear4 luffy couldn't break as much as his sunglasses. Yes he didn't choose to get hit in the face, but he block it none the less, because he did choose to block it.
Consider this, he has a choice, he can choose to block it and live or not block it and let luffy take his head off.
On April 24 2015 14:26 Forikorder wrote: people really treating rei seriously?
how can they not? unlike you, i had been doing this since 2002 in this forum, compare to me you are still a young padawan. let me give you a lesson on how this is done, you need to anticipate how they are ganna react, and ready your evidence usually something they already knew but didn't think much of it. The more obvious the evidence you give them to back up your claim the more they will agonize over it, because it was on plain sight and they didn't see it and needed you to point it out to them.
It's really not efficient as far as trolls go. He really is writing too many posts for us to feel bad about answering them. The good trolls post that one message that puts the board on fire, and then they just stand there watching it burn with a cruel smirk on their face. I don't see rei's smirk.
that's beneath me zenithm, and i don't troll, if i were trolling then what I said would be illogical and can't be back up by facts, but so far, nobody can refute my argument. Mingo block that drop kick with his face, and luffy couldn't even break his sunglasses. you can't dispute this, unless you go as far as saying oda is wrong. and by the way saltywet let me give you and analogy that even you can't refute if that video didn't convince you. You said "You can say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your arms. You can't really say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your face."
Now replace the attack with a bullet, and blocking arms with a bullet proof vest, can you now say someone block the bullet which hit the body with a vest?
and Wildmoon in this analogy the person didn't choose to get shot by a gun, but did he still block the bullet with the vest? Now replace the vest with haki and the bullet with luffy's gear4 haki imued drop kick to the face, and we have a Mingo blocking drop kick with his face.
On April 24 2015 14:50 rei wrote: that's beneath me zenithm, and i don't troll, if i were trolling then what I said would be illogical and can't be back up by facts, but so far, nobody can refute my argument. Mingo block that drop kick with his face, and luffy couldn't even break his sunglasses. you can't dispute this, unless you go as far as saying oda is wrong.
Well, I don't think Luffy would care about Doffy's glasses when Doffy was coughing blood. Also, I wouldn't call that blocking lol. Blocking implies that you prevent attacks from hitting your important parts. Doffy just took the feet to his face and doing whatever he could to not die from it because that's all he could do.
On April 24 2015 14:50 rei wrote: that's beneath me zenithm, and i don't troll, if i were trolling then what I said would be illogical and can't be back up by facts, but so far, nobody can refute my argument. Mingo block that drop kick with his face, and luffy couldn't even break his sunglasses. you can't dispute this, unless you go as far as saying oda is wrong. and by the way saltywet let me give you and analogy that even you can't refute if that video didn't convince you. You said "You can say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your arms. You can't really say you blocked someone from hitting your face, with your face."
Now replace the attack with a bullet, and blocking arms with a bullet proof vest, can you now say someone block the bullet which hit the body with a helmet?
and Wildmoon in this analogy the person didn't choose to get shot by a gun, but did he still block the block with the vest? Now replace the vest with haki and the bullet with luffy's gear4 haki imued drop kick to the face, and we have a Mingo blocking drop kick with his face.
On April 24 2015 14:50 rei wrote: that's beneath me zenithm, and i don't troll, if i were trolling then what I said would be illogical and can't be back up by facts, but so far, nobody can refute my argument. Mingo block that drop kick with his face, and luffy couldn't even break his sunglasses. you can't dispute this, unless you go as far as saying oda is wrong.
Well, I don't think Luffy would care about Doffy's glasses when Doffy was coughing blood. Also, I wouldn't call that blocking lol. Blocking implies that you prevent attacks from hitting your important parts. Doffy just took the feet to his face and doing whatever he could to not die from it because that's all he could do.
read the post above you, i address your question there. and those coughing of blood are from law's attack which was internal and wasn't block by haki at all, so Mingo took fatal damage if not for his string ability that kept him alive.
you all are forgetting that rei once beat Oda in an argument about One Piece with the now infamous phrase "Oda is wrong." If that's not an argument based on facts, what is?
On April 24 2015 15:12 KazeHydra wrote: you all are forgetting that rei once beat Oda in an argument about One Piece with the now infamous phrase "Oda is wrong." If that's not an argument based on facts, what is?
Thank you for reminding these padawans on who's the master here in this thread. For those of you won weren't around here is how it went down. I proposed a theory that Enel is Uranus one of the ancient weapons where he found the blueprint to his maxim(name of his spaceship) along with it's power source his lightning devil fruit. Which makes him the most untouchable character in one piece who can lightning strike anyone at will from the orbit of the planet with his spaceship and his super long range observational haki. And then people goes rambling on about how oda only assigned enel with a 500mil bounty and he can't be that strong, and i told them that bounty doesn't = strength, and if oda were to fully utilize Enel's abilities nobody would touch enel. so I countered with oda is wrong.
EPT
