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Olli
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Watch as Shanks turns out to be a kick-specialist who uses the sword to confuse people.
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Nah it's pretty simple. Oda in a rare case fucked up, and 'retconned' it himself to be sure that Shanks would be at proper level despite arm loss.
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On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie.
Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford.
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On March 24 2015 06:32 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie. Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford.
Well Buggy could probably be one hehehe
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On March 24 2015 06:32 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie. Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford.
Okay at first I was agreeing with you about leadership being a huge part of being a Yonku but then you seriously said you don't think Mihawk could defeat Jozu? What an ignorant comment to make. Blocking one hit does not mean someone has Mihawk-level fighting ability seeing as how Jozu couldn't even avoid Aokiji's ice prison.
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On March 24 2015 09:26 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 06:32 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie. Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford. Okay at first I was agreeing with you about leadership being a huge part of being a Yonku but then you seriously said you don't think Mihawk could defeat Jozu? What an ignorant comment to make. Blocking one hit does not mean someone has Mihawk-level fighting ability seeing as how Jozu couldn't even avoid Aokiji's ice prison.
You are right, Aokiji is yet another person who did what Mihawk failed to do: beat Jozu. So, by simple events observed at Marineford, we can determine Aokiji>=Doflamingo>Jozu>Buggy>Mihawk. Wow, what a shitter, couldn't even take out Jozu or Buggy. Did Mihawk actually accomplish anything at Marineford?
All jokes aside, your initial point implied that it wouldn't be silly for Mihawk to have combat prowess on par with, or greater than, one of the most hyped and "powerful" men in the world (Shanks). Do you have any thing that would back up that Mihawk might be stronger than Shanks? Please share, otherwise, you should probably keep your Mihawk-fanboyism in check.
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On March 24 2015 09:36 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 09:26 Hyperbola wrote:On March 24 2015 06:32 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie. Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford. Okay at first I was agreeing with you about leadership being a huge part of being a Yonku but then you seriously said you don't think Mihawk could defeat Jozu? What an ignorant comment to make. Blocking one hit does not mean someone has Mihawk-level fighting ability seeing as how Jozu couldn't even avoid Aokiji's ice prison. You are right, Aokiji is yet another person who did what Mihawk failed to do: beat Jozu. So, by simple events observed at Marineford, we can determine Aokiji>=Doflamingo>Jozu>Buggy>Mihawk. Wow, what a shitter, couldn't even take out Jozu or Buggy. Did Mihawk actually accomplish anything at Marineford? All jokes aside, your initial point implied that it wouldn't be silly for Mihawk to have combat prowess on par with, or greater than, one of the most hyped and "powerful" men in the world (Shanks). Do you have any thing that would back up that Mihawk might be stronger than Shanks? Please share, otherwise, you should probably keep your Mihawk-fanboyism in check.
Oh gee I wonder...
1. Mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman. Shanks is a swordsman, all troll logic aside.
2. Mihawk and Shanks used to spar/duel
3. Mihawk explicitly stated he had no interest in fighting shanks anymore and heavily implied superiority
Do you have anything that might back up Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk? Please share, otherwise you should probably keep your Shanks fanboyism in check.
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I don't see anything wrong with an individual fighter being as strong as a Yonkou. If Luffy becomes Pirate King at the end of the series he will probably be the strongest fighter and if Zoro continues to be roughly the same strength as Luffy that still wouldn't make Zoro close to Pirate King if he were solo. Shanks and Mihawk dueled a lot, it's implied they are roughly similar in strength or at least were when the duels were fought since it happened a long time ago before Shanks lost his arm.
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I always thought Mihawk stopped fighting against Shanks because he enjoyed their fights and he just doesn't want to fight with Shanks having a physical handicap. That doesn't necessarly mean Shanks' weaker than before but Mihawk's pride is just not as interested as before.
Like, he's afraid of being disappointed if Shanks actually is weaker than before with a sword.
Wether or not Shanks is not as strong as he used to is out of the equation in this, as his strength as a Yonkou (so including the crew and stuff) didn't change much anyway.
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Mihawk was a thousand miles away from Jozu and never bothered with him again
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On March 24 2015 10:17 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 09:36 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 09:26 Hyperbola wrote:On March 24 2015 06:32 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie. Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford. Okay at first I was agreeing with you about leadership being a huge part of being a Yonku but then you seriously said you don't think Mihawk could defeat Jozu? What an ignorant comment to make. Blocking one hit does not mean someone has Mihawk-level fighting ability seeing as how Jozu couldn't even avoid Aokiji's ice prison. You are right, Aokiji is yet another person who did what Mihawk failed to do: beat Jozu. So, by simple events observed at Marineford, we can determine Aokiji>=Doflamingo>Jozu>Buggy>Mihawk. Wow, what a shitter, couldn't even take out Jozu or Buggy. Did Mihawk actually accomplish anything at Marineford? All jokes aside, your initial point implied that it wouldn't be silly for Mihawk to have combat prowess on par with, or greater than, one of the most hyped and "powerful" men in the world (Shanks). Do you have any thing that would back up that Mihawk might be stronger than Shanks? Please share, otherwise, you should probably keep your Mihawk-fanboyism in check. Oh gee I wonder... 1. Mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman. Shanks is a swordsman, all troll logic aside. 2. Mihawk and Shanks used to spar/duel 3. Mihawk explicitly stated he had no interest in fighting shanks anymore and heavily implied superiority Do you have anything that might back up Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk? Please share, otherwise you should probably keep your Shanks fanboyism in check.
Yeah, actually I do have some facts that suggest Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk. Shanks is a Youkou, and therefore one of the 4 men closest to actually getting to Raftel, meanwhile Mihawk is a Shichibukai As we learned from Marineford, it takes all 7 Shichibukai and all 3 Admirals to keep a single Youkou and crew in check. Too add onto this, unlike Whitebeard's force that showed up at Marineford (which was a veritable pirate fleet), Shank's force that showed up was only his own ship and crew, suggesting that his single ship and the people on it are of comparable thread to Whitebeard and all the Pirate Divisions under him, which in tern implies each individual on Shank' ship is incredibly powerful. Shank equally clashed with Whitebeard, the after effects of which split the sky in two. Btw, Whitebeard was a swordsman, and Mihawk himself acknowledged Whitebeard to be stronger than himself at Marineford. Finally, Shank's mere presence at Marineford was enough to get the Marines to backdown and agree to a ceasefire.
Last but not least, and this is writing 101 and One Piece 101, but Shanks is one of the strongest people in his crew. This is just how One Piece works. Shanks isn't going to be some weak guy supported by a bunch of strong guys. This manga doesn't work that way, and that will never happen, with the possible exception of Buggy.
As for your reasons, 1.) to quote this one dude from the One Piece thread "This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level." 2.) Shanks and Buggy used to spar/duel, I guess that makes Buggy stronger than Shanks too. 3.) Crocodile heavily implied his superiority to Doflamingo and Mihawk in their clashes at Marineford, I guess this is evidence that Crocodile is stronger than Shanks, Mihawk, and Doflamingo.
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On March 24 2015 03:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 03:02 Incognoto wrote:On March 24 2015 02:56 Forikorder wrote:
were all working under the assumption that shanks would be defined as a swordsman when we havent even seen him fight a single time I'm guessing his clashes with Mihawk, as well as his sabre, points towards him being a swordsman. Yea I'm guessing if you have constant duels and clashes with Mihawk you're atleast somewhat of a swordsman.
You guys are all wrong Luffy is the best swordsman ever.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2197-10/one-piece/chapter-90.html
I mean check out those skillz.
A professional swordsman wrestles a professional wrestler and loses does not imply that, that same swordsman wouldn't have beat the wrestler had he chosen to fight with what he is good with.
We have not even seen shanks fight.
Let alone fight to his fullest.
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On March 24 2015 12:02 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 10:17 Hyperbola wrote:On March 24 2015 09:36 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 09:26 Hyperbola wrote:On March 24 2015 06:32 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie. Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford. Okay at first I was agreeing with you about leadership being a huge part of being a Yonku but then you seriously said you don't think Mihawk could defeat Jozu? What an ignorant comment to make. Blocking one hit does not mean someone has Mihawk-level fighting ability seeing as how Jozu couldn't even avoid Aokiji's ice prison. You are right, Aokiji is yet another person who did what Mihawk failed to do: beat Jozu. So, by simple events observed at Marineford, we can determine Aokiji>=Doflamingo>Jozu>Buggy>Mihawk. Wow, what a shitter, couldn't even take out Jozu or Buggy. Did Mihawk actually accomplish anything at Marineford? All jokes aside, your initial point implied that it wouldn't be silly for Mihawk to have combat prowess on par with, or greater than, one of the most hyped and "powerful" men in the world (Shanks). Do you have any thing that would back up that Mihawk might be stronger than Shanks? Please share, otherwise, you should probably keep your Mihawk-fanboyism in check. Oh gee I wonder... 1. Mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman. Shanks is a swordsman, all troll logic aside. 2. Mihawk and Shanks used to spar/duel 3. Mihawk explicitly stated he had no interest in fighting shanks anymore and heavily implied superiority Do you have anything that might back up Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk? Please share, otherwise you should probably keep your Shanks fanboyism in check. Yeah, actually I do have some facts that suggest Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk. Shanks is a Youkou, and therefore one of the 4 men closest to actually getting to Raftel, meanwhile Mihawk is a Shichibukai As we learned from Marineford, it takes all 7 Shichibukai and all 3 Admirals to keep a single Youkou and crew in check. Too add onto this, unlike Whitebeard's force that showed up at Marineford (which was a veritable pirate fleet), Shank's force that showed up was only his own ship and crew, suggesting that his single ship and the people on it are of comparable thread to Whitebeard and all the Pirate Divisions under him, which in tern implies each individual on Shank' ship is incredibly powerful. Shank equally clashed with Whitebeard, the after effects of which split the sky in two. Btw, Whitebeard was a swordsman, and Mihawk himself acknowledged Whitebeard to be stronger than himself at Marineford. Finally, Shank's mere presence at Marineford was enough to get the Marines to backdown and agree to a ceasefire. Last but not least, and this is writing 101 and One Piece 101, but Shanks is one of the strongest people in his crew. This is just how One Piece works. Shanks isn't going to be some weak guy supported by a bunch of strong guys. This manga doesn't work that way, and that will never happen, with the possible exception of Buggy. As for your reasons, 1.) to quote this one dude from the One Piece thread "This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level." 2.) Shanks and Buggy used to spar/duel, I guess that makes Buggy stronger than Shanks too. 3.) Crocodile heavily implied his superiority to Doflamingo and Mihawk in their clashes at Marineford, I guess this is evidence that Crocodile is stronger than Shanks, Mihawk, and Doflamingo.
working under the assumption that Shanks had jsut his core crew because it would be alot faster and sneakier he didnt want one side or the other to lose he wanted to end it would be better to bring just a few elite to negotiate a surrender
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Anyone interested in One Piece games? So many OP games now, which one is your favorite? PW, RED or treasure?
For me, the browser One Piece Online made by Joygame is the best.
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On March 24 2015 02:56 Forikorder wrote:
were all working under the assumption that shanks would be defined as a swordsman when we havent even seen him fight a single time
Well, except for rei, who is just working under the assumption that Oda is wrong. v0v
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On March 24 2015 12:02 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 10:17 Hyperbola wrote:On March 24 2015 09:36 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 09:26 Hyperbola wrote:On March 24 2015 06:32 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie. Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford. Okay at first I was agreeing with you about leadership being a huge part of being a Yonku but then you seriously said you don't think Mihawk could defeat Jozu? What an ignorant comment to make. Blocking one hit does not mean someone has Mihawk-level fighting ability seeing as how Jozu couldn't even avoid Aokiji's ice prison. You are right, Aokiji is yet another person who did what Mihawk failed to do: beat Jozu. So, by simple events observed at Marineford, we can determine Aokiji>=Doflamingo>Jozu>Buggy>Mihawk. Wow, what a shitter, couldn't even take out Jozu or Buggy. Did Mihawk actually accomplish anything at Marineford? All jokes aside, your initial point implied that it wouldn't be silly for Mihawk to have combat prowess on par with, or greater than, one of the most hyped and "powerful" men in the world (Shanks). Do you have any thing that would back up that Mihawk might be stronger than Shanks? Please share, otherwise, you should probably keep your Mihawk-fanboyism in check. Oh gee I wonder... 1. Mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman. Shanks is a swordsman, all troll logic aside. 2. Mihawk and Shanks used to spar/duel 3. Mihawk explicitly stated he had no interest in fighting shanks anymore and heavily implied superiority Do you have anything that might back up Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk? Please share, otherwise you should probably keep your Shanks fanboyism in check. Yeah, actually I do have some facts that suggest Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk. Shanks is a Youkou, and therefore one of the 4 men closest to actually getting to Raftel, meanwhile Mihawk is a Shichibukai As we learned from Marineford, it takes all 7 Shichibukai and all 3 Admirals to keep a single Youkou and crew in check. Too add onto this, unlike Whitebeard's force that showed up at Marineford (which was a veritable pirate fleet), Shank's force that showed up was only his own ship and crew, suggesting that his single ship and the people on it are of comparable thread to Whitebeard and all the Pirate Divisions under him, which in tern implies each individual on Shank' ship is incredibly powerful. Shank equally clashed with Whitebeard, the after effects of which split the sky in two. Btw, Whitebeard was a swordsman, and Mihawk himself acknowledged Whitebeard to be stronger than himself at Marineford. Finally, Shank's mere presence at Marineford was enough to get the Marines to backdown and agree to a ceasefire. Last but not least, and this is writing 101 and One Piece 101, but Shanks is one of the strongest people in his crew. This is just how One Piece works. Shanks isn't going to be some weak guy supported by a bunch of strong guys. This manga doesn't work that way, and that will never happen, with the possible exception of Buggy. As for your reasons, 1.) to quote this one dude from the One Piece thread "This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level." 2.) Shanks and Buggy used to spar/duel, I guess that makes Buggy stronger than Shanks too. 3.) Crocodile heavily implied his superiority to Doflamingo and Mihawk in their clashes at Marineford, I guess this is evidence that Crocodile is stronger than Shanks, Mihawk, and Doflamingo.
Jesus mary joseph, you need to calm down.
Also all your evidence is simply assumption. Look up the term "evidence"
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On March 24 2015 20:51 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:56 Forikorder wrote:
were all working under the assumption that shanks would be defined as a swordsman when we havent even seen him fight a single time Well, except for rei, who is just working under the assumption that Oda is wrong. v0v
I already figured out how how Shanks can retain his fighting potential and HOW he fights after losing an arm in my post last page(under the assumptiont hat oda is not wrong), did you guys even read it?
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On March 24 2015 16:27 andrearicky wrote:
Anyone interested in One Piece games? So many OP games now, which one is your favorite? PW, RED or treasure?
For me, the browser One Piece Online made by Joygame is the best.
User was banned for this post.
Why was he banned? o.o
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On March 24 2015 23:44 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 16:27 andrearicky wrote:
Anyone interested in One Piece games? So many OP games now, which one is your favorite? PW, RED or treasure?
For me, the browser One Piece Online made by Joygame is the best.
User was banned for this post. Why was he banned? o.o
Probably a bot made to advertise the OP game
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On March 24 2015 12:02 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 10:17 Hyperbola wrote:On March 24 2015 09:36 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 09:26 Hyperbola wrote:On March 24 2015 06:32 Sentenal wrote:On March 24 2015 02:55 Hyperbola wrote:On March 23 2015 14:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2015 11:31 saltywet wrote:On March 20 2015 18:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Zoro lost an eye, that's about 3/4 of an arm loss i was gonna say an arm is way more important than 1 eye, at least for zoro (because of santoryuu style) and because of fujitora who is a blind beast and doesn't need eyes at all and can use observation haki. But then you get shanks who's still a beast with 1 arm. But also note that shanks must have gotten weaker since mihawk stopped considering him an equal after shanks lost the arm I think the most likely way it works is that Mihawk and Shanks were evenly matched as swordsmen before Shanks lost his arm. However, Shanks is much more powerful with Haki, crew, etc. at least now even if his swordsmanship is somewhat worse. I mean, it'd be a little silly if one of the Shibukai was strong as the Yonkou... we know that the power differences in the Shibukai can be huge, but that'd be a little silly. Why would it be silly? This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level. Doflamingo can exchange blows with both Aokiji and Fujitora while buggy would be destroyed by either of them. They're both Shichibukai so they're both equal in power, right? And the whole point of a Yonku is that they have a lot of allies and soldiers. Mihawk could probably be a yonku if he had the network and leadership ability. One Piece isn't so much about ine ob one fights as it is about teamwork and camaraderie. Okay, at first I was sort of agreeing with you, with the "rank doesn't equal power level" stuff. But then you say that Mihawk could probably be a Youkou if he had better leadership? That's like saying "well, if <anyone> had godly leadership abilities, they could be a Youkou!" What a pointless comment to make. And not only does Mihawk obviously not have Youkou-level leadership, he doesn't even have Youkou-level fighting ability, seeing as he couldn't even scratch Jozu at Marineford. Okay at first I was agreeing with you about leadership being a huge part of being a Yonku but then you seriously said you don't think Mihawk could defeat Jozu? What an ignorant comment to make. Blocking one hit does not mean someone has Mihawk-level fighting ability seeing as how Jozu couldn't even avoid Aokiji's ice prison. You are right, Aokiji is yet another person who did what Mihawk failed to do: beat Jozu. So, by simple events observed at Marineford, we can determine Aokiji>=Doflamingo>Jozu>Buggy>Mihawk. Wow, what a shitter, couldn't even take out Jozu or Buggy. Did Mihawk actually accomplish anything at Marineford? All jokes aside, your initial point implied that it wouldn't be silly for Mihawk to have combat prowess on par with, or greater than, one of the most hyped and "powerful" men in the world (Shanks). Do you have any thing that would back up that Mihawk might be stronger than Shanks? Please share, otherwise, you should probably keep your Mihawk-fanboyism in check. Oh gee I wonder... 1. Mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman. Shanks is a swordsman, all troll logic aside. 2. Mihawk and Shanks used to spar/duel 3. Mihawk explicitly stated he had no interest in fighting shanks anymore and heavily implied superiority Do you have anything that might back up Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk? Please share, otherwise you should probably keep your Shanks fanboyism in check. Yeah, actually I do have some facts that suggest Shanks might be stronger than Mihawk. Shanks is a Youkou, and therefore one of the 4 men closest to actually getting to Raftel, meanwhile Mihawk is a Shichibukai As we learned from Marineford, it takes all 7 Shichibukai and all 3 Admirals to keep a single Youkou and crew in check. Too add onto this, unlike Whitebeard's force that showed up at Marineford (which was a veritable pirate fleet), Shank's force that showed up was only his own ship and crew, suggesting that his single ship and the people on it are of comparable thread to Whitebeard and all the Pirate Divisions under him, which in tern implies each individual on Shank' ship is incredibly powerful. Shank equally clashed with Whitebeard, the after effects of which split the sky in two. Btw, Whitebeard was a swordsman, and Mihawk himself acknowledged Whitebeard to be stronger than himself at Marineford. Finally, Shank's mere presence at Marineford was enough to get the Marines to backdown and agree to a ceasefire. Last but not least, and this is writing 101 and One Piece 101, but Shanks is one of the strongest people in his crew. This is just how One Piece works. Shanks isn't going to be some weak guy supported by a bunch of strong guys. This manga doesn't work that way, and that will never happen, with the possible exception of Buggy. As for your reasons, 1.) to quote this one dude from the One Piece thread "This isn't Naruto or Dbz where your rank = power level." 2.) Shanks and Buggy used to spar/duel, I guess that makes Buggy stronger than Shanks too. 3.) Crocodile heavily implied his superiority to Doflamingo and Mihawk in their clashes at Marineford, I guess this is evidence that Crocodile is stronger than Shanks, Mihawk, and Doflamingo.
1. Mihawk didn't acknowledge Whitebeard to be stronger than himself. Mihawk simply stated that he wanted "to test the strength of the strongest man in the world" and sent the "strongest slash in the world" at him from a far distance, which was blocked by diamond jozu with great difficulty.
2. Shanks clashed with Whitebeard but you can't say it was equal. Whitebeard was handicapped by his health, Whitebeard did not swing the blade to kill, Whitebeard was the one who swung the blade first and Shanks was the one to defend. It was one clash and you can't assume that Shanks would have had the strength to block 2, 3, 4 or even more slashes.
3. The point before shanks appearance was when the war was at a near stalemate, the marines had difficulty defeating the white beard pirates and may have possibly been able to defeat the black beard pirates, but definitely would not have been able to defeat a third party in the Red Hair Pirates. The marines had no choice but to surrender or suffer defeat.
The only evidence your statement gives is that Shanks is strong. You have no proof that Mihawk is weak. I for one, totally believe that Mihawk as an individual has the strength on par with Yonkou captains and Admirals such as Shanks, Kaidou and Akainu. But since his crew only consists of one man, his overall power as a pirate group is weaker than Pirate groups such as the red hair pirates, the whitebeard pirates etc. Also keeping in mind, none of the Yonkou submits to the marines. Mihawk agreed to become a shibuchikai but on his own terms. If Mihawk didn't agree to become a Shichibukai I think he would be a highly wanted individual and may have a bounty on par with the Yonkou (he is the only Shichibukai with an unknown bounty). Once Fujitora disbands the shichibukai we may actually see Mihawks bounty and how much the world government consider him a threat.
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