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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18338 Posts
On February 18 2015 00:13 Forikorder wrote: Logias are like Luffy, there always made of there element Nope, Luffy has hit Smoker several times when he was unaware | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 18 2015 00:15 sharkie wrote: Nope, Luffy has hit Smoker several times when he was unaware one single time, when smoker was aware and only because it was super funny and it was from behind so maybe the seastone in the his weapon backfired http://www.mangareader.net/103-2265-6/one-piece/chapter-158.html in page one we can see he is elemental in at least his arm, and ace should have had plenty of reaction time as well since smoker was right there about to hit him so its just rule of funny | ||
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1oo
Portugal876 Posts
source: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Daz_Bones I would say Jozu is the same, turns into diamonds whenever he wants. Just because Luffy is always rubber doesnt mean others need to be always aswell. Each fruit is diferent. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 18 2015 00:28 1oo wrote: "Daz ate the Supa Supa no Mi, which is a Paramecia-class Devil Fruit which gives him the ability to turn any part of his body into sharp steel blades,[5] he was able to combine his martial arts skill with this fruit. Daz Bones is a fighter that can literally become a living weapon. As well as giving him an endless variety of bladed weapons, his Devil Fruit powers make him almost immune to damage, by turning his entire body into blades, thus making it as hard as steel" source: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Daz_Bones I would say Jozu is the same, turns into diamonds whenever he wants. Just because Luffy is always rubber doesnt mean others need to be always aswell. Each fruit is diferent. why do yuo think whoever wrote the wiki has access to more info then we do? | ||
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ShurykaN
United States338 Posts
The main difference between the first type of paramecia and logias is that logia fruits have bodies that are not solid and can manipulate their element at will. I believe that it mentions that blackbeard is an exemption to this because he can't change the form of his body to dodge attacks. Also evanthebouncy!, there have been cases of zoans being transformed permanently like mononosuke, the demon guards at impel down (I think) and of course chopper. It seems to depend on the specific fruits for the intricacies on it works. I dont remember, "a logia type is able to turn ones body into elemental form on instinct to dodge attacks once the user gets good enough" ever being explicitly said. It looks like that happens during some fights though, but like people have pointed out they can be caught off guard. I wonder if you could stab a logia while he's sleeping and it would work. Does observation haki still work while people are asleep? Why can't Zoro just use haki and actually hurt the stone guy? So many questions that probably can never be answered with 100% certainty. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 18 2015 00:48 ShurykaN wrote: There seem to be two different types of paramecia fruits: people who have their body changed into something (like logias) and people with other random powers. The main difference between the first type of paramecia and logias is that logia fruits have bodies that are not solid and can manipulate their element at will. I believe that it mentions that blackbeard is an exemption to this because he can't change the form of his body to dodge attacks. Also evanthebouncy!, there have been cases of logias being transformed permanently like mononosuke, the demon guards at impel down (I think) and of course chopper. It seems to depend on the specific fruits for the intricacies on it works. I dont remember, "a logia type is able to turn ones body into elemental form on instinct to dodge attacks once the user gets good enough" ever being explicitly said. It looks like that happens during some fights though, but like people have pointed out they can be caught off guard. I wonder if you could stab a logia while he's sleeping and it would work. Does observation haki still work while people are asleep? Why can't Zoro just use haki and actually hurt the stone guy? So many questions that probably can never be answered with 100% certainty. your mistaking Zoans for paramecias and Zoro has hurt stone guy | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2534 Posts
The defining characteristic for logias does seem to be going into element mode and becoming mailable without harming the user. But what differs a logia and a paramecia like Jozu's or Das Bones is that neither of the latter can change the structure of their body and make them inhuman. What I mean by this is that while Das Bones may be made from metal, he can't turn into a giant slab of iron or morph a hole in the middle of his chest. He has to remain human-ish while someone like ace can turn into a giant fireball and not give a shit. Anyways, the point is that while Das Bones and Jozu cannot go into element mode, they are still made up of fucking metal and diamond, meaning that a reject dial will not do diddly squat to them and they can use it without negative effects. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On February 18 2015 02:29 BlackMagister wrote: We had this discussion on whether Logia had to train their reactions to become elemental to dodge attacks or are always elemental. I don't think it was conclusive either way, but at the very least Logia can turn off their ability and be normal as shown when Caribou hid his Logia ability letting himself get punched. This was definitely not rule of funny like when Nami beats up Luffy. Crocodile straight up says that he had to train himself to become elemental to dodge attacks. Logias aren't always elemental. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On February 18 2015 00:46 Forikorder wrote: why do you think whoever wrote the wiki has access to more info then we do? Because there are people here (fork included) that I swear in RL would insist consistently that the world is flat despite consistent evidence that it is not. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On February 18 2015 06:42 terranghost wrote: Exactly because there are retarded people like that a wiki should be judged on it's sources, and not it's text (in this context). Citing a one piece wiki is worthless, you should find the sources it's based on and quote or paraphrase those. If you don't see that, just imagine a group of forikorder clones be the majority of wiki editors (no offense forikorder, i'm just making a point here).Because there are people here (fork included) that I swear in RL would insist consistently that the world is flat despite consistent evidence that it is not. i don't agree with forikorder at all, but trusting a cartoon wiki really is beyond me. | ||
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1oo
Portugal876 Posts
And no, i dont need the wiki to tell me what is obvious, but it helps to remember plenty of things. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 18 2015 07:41 Yorbon wrote: Exactly because there are retarded people like that a wiki should be judged on it's sources, and not it's text (in this context). Citing a one piece wiki is worthless, you should find the sources it's based on and quote or paraphrase those. If you don't see that, just imagine a group of forikorder clones be the majority of wiki editors (no offense forikorder, i'm just making a point here). i don't agree with forikorder at all, but trusting a cartoon wiki really is beyond me. The problem is that the sources it cites are databooks and such that are in Japanese, and even if someone did cite them (like I've done before), no one here is going to believe it since few of us read Japanese. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
On February 18 2015 04:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Crocodile straight up says that he had to train himself to become elemental to dodge attacks. Logias aren't always elemental. Do you know when Crocodile says it? That's what I think too, but I don't remember where they say it explicitly. I looked for that quote and I assumed it would be in his first or second fight against Luffy, but couldn't find it. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 18 2015 08:23 BlackMagister wrote: Do you know when Crocodile says it? That's what I think too, but I don't remember where they say it explicitly. I looked for that quote and I assumed it would be in his first or second fight against Luffy, but couldn't find it. he just said that you have to train to master your fruit, he was referring to things like his sand blade and tornado his techniques that arent intuitive like how Luffy as soon as he ate the fruit could throw a pistol but couldnt gear up i think it was the end of the first fight because luffy taunts him with that a bit in the second fight | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2534 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8PKFElt.png) Granted, he is a pretty shitty character but it makes me think noobie logias can't really control their transformations. However, there might just be an automatic reflex to go into element mode when you see the attack coming towards you because Sabo transforms involuntarily into fire when he is hit with a meteor as shown here + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WABPdrH.png) | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 18 2015 12:15 Slaughter wrote: I always had the opposite impression, that Logias had to learn how to stabilize their fruit to maintain solidity. Didn't Ace have trouble setting things on fire at first because he couldn't quite get it down? id say its more likely that he just accidently uses fire forgetting that he can do that then forgetting not to be fire | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On February 18 2015 07:41 Yorbon wrote: Exactly because there are retarded people like that a wiki should be judged on it's sources, and not it's text (in this context). Citing a one piece wiki is worthless, you should find the sources it's based on and quote or paraphrase those. If you don't see that, just imagine a group of forikorder clones be the majority of wiki editors (no offense forikorder, i'm just making a point here). i don't agree with forikorder at all, but trusting a cartoon wiki really is beyond me. Not that I care but I think that was a little overboard I was simply pointing out that it doesn't matter where you get the source from there are people that given information will fight to the death to disprove a fact that shouldn't be possible to disprove. Thus my example the world is flat. On February 18 2015 12:24 Hyperbola wrote: Granted, he is a pretty shitty character but it makes me think noobie logias can't really control their transformations. However, there might just be an automatic reflex to go into element mode when you see the attack coming towards you because Sabo transforms involuntarily into fire when he is hit with a meteor as shown here + Show Spoiler + Just to play devil's advocate for a sec. That scene you quoted does not necessarily mean that having things go through you as a logia is an involuntary action. It could be that Sabo tried to dodge the meteor and at the last second remembered that he was logia and then activated his power thus leading to scene you linked. | ||
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