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Uh they're not going to show a 13-year-old getting banged by a dude.
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On June 14 2011 02:32 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 02:25 Silver777 wrote:On June 14 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 14 2011 01:31 Sm3agol wrote:On June 14 2011 01:19 Blurio wrote:On June 13 2011 23:49 Manit0u wrote:On June 13 2011 23:43 Fraidnot wrote:On June 13 2011 23:40 Carras wrote:
yesterday i was just wondreing how come Robb , the 1st son of a very important nobleman , being old enough (20/25?) wasnt yet married or his married arranged. He's suppose to be 15. Doesn't change the fact that GRRM tried to depict Medieval in fantasy setting. At that time it was commonplace for noble people to get married at the age of 13 (with marriage already being planned years ahead). And even look at Sansa/Joffrey, Cersei specifically asked her if she has bled yet, which would be the indicator of her being of age suitable for marriage. The average age of menarche (first period) for girls is 11.75 years so that's pretty young. Not to say that Daenerys is supposed to be 13 and gets fucked the first episode by a 40 year old giant. And impregnated. Incest was pretty common too in medieval times as well. Also during medieval times, animals were put on trial for their crimes. I love this derail for random facts about medieval times. Let's start a thread? In medieval times they used pig intestines as condoms. It was sarcasm, he didn't actually want you to start spouting random fact about medieval times. I don't think the characters are as young in the shows as they are in the books. In that case they severely failed at casting them. Emilia Clarke is like 24 or something, and doesn't look anywhere near 13 in the first episode.
Just think a little now how would they show their famous sex scenes with 13 olds
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On June 14 2011 02:32 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 02:25 Silver777 wrote:On June 14 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 14 2011 01:31 Sm3agol wrote:On June 14 2011 01:19 Blurio wrote:On June 13 2011 23:49 Manit0u wrote:On June 13 2011 23:43 Fraidnot wrote:On June 13 2011 23:40 Carras wrote:
yesterday i was just wondreing how come Robb , the 1st son of a very important nobleman , being old enough (20/25?) wasnt yet married or his married arranged. He's suppose to be 15. Doesn't change the fact that GRRM tried to depict Medieval in fantasy setting. At that time it was commonplace for noble people to get married at the age of 13 (with marriage already being planned years ahead). And even look at Sansa/Joffrey, Cersei specifically asked her if she has bled yet, which would be the indicator of her being of age suitable for marriage. The average age of menarche (first period) for girls is 11.75 years so that's pretty young. Not to say that Daenerys is supposed to be 13 and gets fucked the first episode by a 40 year old giant. And impregnated. Incest was pretty common too in medieval times as well. Also during medieval times, animals were put on trial for their crimes. I love this derail for random facts about medieval times. Let's start a thread? In medieval times they used pig intestines as condoms. It was sarcasm, he didn't actually want you to start spouting random fact about medieval times. I don't think the characters are as young in the shows as they are in the books. In that case they severely failed at casting them. Emilia Clarke is like 24 or something, and doesn't look anywhere near 13 in the first episode.
In the show, the rebellion happened 17 years ago (this is stated in an early episode). This means that Daenerys is no younger than 16 (her father, the Mad King, was killed in the rebellion).
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On June 14 2011 02:32 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 02:25 Silver777 wrote:On June 14 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 14 2011 01:31 Sm3agol wrote:On June 14 2011 01:19 Blurio wrote:On June 13 2011 23:49 Manit0u wrote:On June 13 2011 23:43 Fraidnot wrote:On June 13 2011 23:40 Carras wrote:
yesterday i was just wondreing how come Robb , the 1st son of a very important nobleman , being old enough (20/25?) wasnt yet married or his married arranged. He's suppose to be 15. Doesn't change the fact that GRRM tried to depict Medieval in fantasy setting. At that time it was commonplace for noble people to get married at the age of 13 (with marriage already being planned years ahead). And even look at Sansa/Joffrey, Cersei specifically asked her if she has bled yet, which would be the indicator of her being of age suitable for marriage. The average age of menarche (first period) for girls is 11.75 years so that's pretty young. Not to say that Daenerys is supposed to be 13 and gets fucked the first episode by a 40 year old giant. And impregnated. Incest was pretty common too in medieval times as well. Also during medieval times, animals were put on trial for their crimes. I love this derail for random facts about medieval times. Let's start a thread? In medieval times they used pig intestines as condoms. It was sarcasm, he didn't actually want you to start spouting random fact about medieval times. I don't think the characters are as young in the shows as they are in the books. In that case they severely failed at casting them. Emilia Clarke is like 24 or something, and doesn't look anywhere near 13 in the first episode.
Child labor laws are a huge PAIN, the actresses name is Emila clark, you cant forget about child pornography laws. George said in an interview one of his biggest regrets in writing the books was that he made a lot of the characters too young (this was mostly in reference to the young starks).
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On June 14 2011 02:32 OrchidThief wrote:
I don't think the characters are as young in the shows as they are in the books. In that case they severely failed at casting them. Emilia Clarke is like 24 or something, and doesn't look anywhere near 13 in the first episode.
I think they just bumped up the age of all of the children (Rickon, Bran, Arya, Sansa, Jon, Robb and Daenerys) by 3 years. In the show, Catelyn said to Ned at one point that he went south 17 years ago (the war) and came back with another woman's son. In the book, it was 14 years between the rebellion and current events, while the show makes it 17 years.
I'm not sure if Theon is included in this or not. I think he might be the same age in the book as in the show (19, I believe).
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edit : Meh, 5 people replied before me.
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On June 14 2011 02:36 Gezuz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 02:32 OrchidThief wrote:On June 14 2011 02:25 Silver777 wrote:On June 14 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 14 2011 01:31 Sm3agol wrote:On June 14 2011 01:19 Blurio wrote:On June 13 2011 23:49 Manit0u wrote:On June 13 2011 23:43 Fraidnot wrote:On June 13 2011 23:40 Carras wrote:
yesterday i was just wondreing how come Robb , the 1st son of a very important nobleman , being old enough (20/25?) wasnt yet married or his married arranged. He's suppose to be 15. Doesn't change the fact that GRRM tried to depict Medieval in fantasy setting. At that time it was commonplace for noble people to get married at the age of 13 (with marriage already being planned years ahead). And even look at Sansa/Joffrey, Cersei specifically asked her if she has bled yet, which would be the indicator of her being of age suitable for marriage. The average age of menarche (first period) for girls is 11.75 years so that's pretty young. Not to say that Daenerys is supposed to be 13 and gets fucked the first episode by a 40 year old giant. And impregnated. Incest was pretty common too in medieval times as well. Also during medieval times, animals were put on trial for their crimes. I love this derail for random facts about medieval times. Let's start a thread? In medieval times they used pig intestines as condoms. It was sarcasm, he didn't actually want you to start spouting random fact about medieval times. I don't think the characters are as young in the shows as they are in the books. In that case they severely failed at casting them. Emilia Clarke is like 24 or something, and doesn't look anywhere near 13 in the first episode. Just think a little now how would they show their famous sex scenes with 13 olds
That was kind of my point. You can't compare the age of the characters in the books to the age they have in the show, so it's completely moot. So they either change their ages or they change the scenes to not be as bad. I'm glad they went for older characters.
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On June 14 2011 02:41 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 02:36 Gezuz wrote:On June 14 2011 02:32 OrchidThief wrote:On June 14 2011 02:25 Silver777 wrote:On June 14 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 14 2011 01:31 Sm3agol wrote:On June 14 2011 01:19 Blurio wrote:On June 13 2011 23:49 Manit0u wrote:On June 13 2011 23:43 Fraidnot wrote:On June 13 2011 23:40 Carras wrote:
yesterday i was just wondreing how come Robb , the 1st son of a very important nobleman , being old enough (20/25?) wasnt yet married or his married arranged. He's suppose to be 15. Doesn't change the fact that GRRM tried to depict Medieval in fantasy setting. At that time it was commonplace for noble people to get married at the age of 13 (with marriage already being planned years ahead). And even look at Sansa/Joffrey, Cersei specifically asked her if she has bled yet, which would be the indicator of her being of age suitable for marriage. The average age of menarche (first period) for girls is 11.75 years so that's pretty young. Not to say that Daenerys is supposed to be 13 and gets fucked the first episode by a 40 year old giant. And impregnated. Incest was pretty common too in medieval times as well. Also during medieval times, animals were put on trial for their crimes. I love this derail for random facts about medieval times. Let's start a thread? In medieval times they used pig intestines as condoms. It was sarcasm, he didn't actually want you to start spouting random fact about medieval times. I don't think the characters are as young in the shows as they are in the books. In that case they severely failed at casting them. Emilia Clarke is like 24 or something, and doesn't look anywhere near 13 in the first episode. Just think a little now how would they show their famous sex scenes with 13 olds That was kind of my point. You can't compare the age of the characters in the books to the age they have in the show, so it's completely moot. So they either change their ages or they change the scenes to not be as bad. I'm glad they went for older characters.
What ? If youre happy they went with the "older" characters why on earth did you say they failed severly with the casting . Youre contradicting yourself there
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On June 14 2011 02:09 psychopat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 01:49 Drey wrote:This could make the show's ratings go down.... I really like Ned  Yeah, I felt the same when I read the books and when I saw the show. Let's kill off the most likable character in the story thus far! Sure, it's a powerful move by GRRM but it's also the point at which a few people tend to stop caring. I, as a reader/watcher, didn't have enough invested into the other characters to really care nearly as much now that you can't cheer for Ned to somehow make it out of his predicament, which you saw coming from a mile away...
http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/game-of-thrones-episode-9/7/
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On June 13 2011 20:26 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 19:50 Geo.Rion wrote:the scene with the caracter judgement game is awesome, it's the highlight of ep 9  the "ive sent 2k people to their death" thing was kind of bullshit, noone would do that + Show Spoiler +, the northen armies were split, and most of the horses went to ambush Jaime's troops, and the other half, mostly foot had a bit of clash and retreated. i like that a lot more, and it actually makes sense Yeah the whole 2000 people 'sacced' is a bit stupid. + Show Spoiler +Maybe HBO didn't want to deal with characters like Bolton so much.
I feel like you two missed the point with that. It was actually a brilliant strategical move by Robb.
Generals have sacrificed men in the past, it is not unheard of. Jaime Lannister had a 30k army (referenced in episode 5 or 6 when he was in the tent with his dad), and Tywin had another 30k army since they split it in half.
You are not going to defeat two 30k armies with two 10k armies, not too mention splitting your tactical advisors and your leaders. Hence, Robb only sent 2k as a diversion, and kept 18k against Jaime's 30k. So that is one 30k army defeated, now there is another 30k army left (I hope I am remembering this correctly; I don't have the source material to reference with me as I'm letting my friend borrow the books to read. Someone will correct me if I am wrong I am sure).
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On June 14 2011 01:08 Ramble wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 00:59 MHT wrote:
Swear to god ive never seen something like this happen before. Main character getting killed halfway through is just unheard of! Im in shock. I saw an article about just that where a lot of shows have in the past said "no one is safe" and that is generally true for most side main characters. But everyone knows that Jack from Lost, or Tony from the Sopranos are not going to die. It's refreshing to see a show where main characters can die.
Even in 24, you knew they wouldn't kill off Jack Bauer. Well, they would, repeatedly, but you knew he'd get resurrected every time.
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On June 14 2011 02:49 Gezuz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 02:41 OrchidThief wrote:On June 14 2011 02:36 Gezuz wrote:On June 14 2011 02:32 OrchidThief wrote:On June 14 2011 02:25 Silver777 wrote:On June 14 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On June 14 2011 01:31 Sm3agol wrote:On June 14 2011 01:19 Blurio wrote:On June 13 2011 23:49 Manit0u wrote:On June 13 2011 23:43 Fraidnot wrote:
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He's suppose to be 15. Doesn't change the fact that GRRM tried to depict Medieval in fantasy setting. At that time it was commonplace for noble people to get married at the age of 13 (with marriage already being planned years ahead). And even look at Sansa/Joffrey, Cersei specifically asked her if she has bled yet, which would be the indicator of her being of age suitable for marriage. The average age of menarche (first period) for girls is 11.75 years so that's pretty young. Not to say that Daenerys is supposed to be 13 and gets fucked the first episode by a 40 year old giant. And impregnated. Incest was pretty common too in medieval times as well. Also during medieval times, animals were put on trial for their crimes. I love this derail for random facts about medieval times. Let's start a thread? In medieval times they used pig intestines as condoms. It was sarcasm, he didn't actually want you to start spouting random fact about medieval times. I don't think the characters are as young in the shows as they are in the books. In that case they severely failed at casting them. Emilia Clarke is like 24 or something, and doesn't look anywhere near 13 in the first episode. Just think a little now how would they show their famous sex scenes with 13 olds That was kind of my point. You can't compare the age of the characters in the books to the age they have in the show, so it's completely moot. So they either change their ages or they change the scenes to not be as bad. I'm glad they went for older characters. What ? If youre happy they went with the "older" characters why on earth did you say they failed severly with the casting . Youre contradicting yourself there
I meant if they were going for characters that looked like they were 13 then they failed. Bleh, poorly formulated by me, I apologise.
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This show is so fucking amazing... not since Band of Brothers have I found a TV series this captivating. Every single episode has such an immense nerve-racking buildup of tension, and the key actors are doing a terrific job bringing it to a super-climactic end. Can't wait for the season finale, sucks that I wont be able to watch the whole series in one sitting like I did with band of brothers
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On June 14 2011 02:36 flamewheel wrote:
Uh they're not going to show a 13-year-old getting banged by a dude.
But they would show a 13 year old getting banged by a chick? What shows have you been watching?
I keed.
And GRRRR, can't wait for tonight, I want to watch this episode SOOO BAD.
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This episode sucked.
No it was fantastic but what happened sucked. How can they do this to my favorite character in the 9th episode?
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On June 14 2011 02:49 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 02:09 psychopat wrote:On June 14 2011 01:49 Drey wrote:This could make the show's ratings go down.... I really like Ned Yeah, I felt the same when I read the books and when I saw the show. Let's kill off the most likable character in the story thus far! Sure, it's a powerful move by GRRM but it's also the point at which a few people tend to stop caring. I, as a reader/watcher, didn't have enough invested into the other characters to really care nearly as much now that you can't cheer for Ned to somehow make it out of his predicament, which you saw coming from a mile away... http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/game-of-thrones-episode-9/7/
That articles explains it but I don't get why the writer of that articles is saying it was the choice of the directer/writers. It wasn't up to them, it was one of the major endings in the first book, if they didn't kill Ned Stark then there probably would ofbeen greater upset from all the fans of the books.
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On June 14 2011 02:54 Sipher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:26 ShadeR wrote:On June 13 2011 19:50 Geo.Rion wrote:the scene with the caracter judgement game is awesome, it's the highlight of ep 9 the "ive sent 2k people to their death" thing was kind of bullshit, noone would do that + Show Spoiler +, the northen armies were split, and most of the horses went to ambush Jaime's troops, and the other half, mostly foot had a bit of clash and retreated. i like that a lot more, and it actually makes sense Yeah the whole 2000 people 'sacced' is a bit stupid. + Show Spoiler +Maybe HBO didn't want to deal with characters like Bolton so much. I feel like you two missed the point with that. It was actually a brilliant strategical move by Robb. Generals have sacrificed men in the past, it is not unheard of. Jaime Lannister had a 30k army (referenced in episode 5 or 6 when he was in the tent with his dad), and Tywin had another 30k army since they split it in half. You are not going to defeat two 30k armies with two 10k armies, not too mention splitting your tactical advisors and your leaders. Hence, Robb only sent 2k as a diversion, and kept 18k against Jaime's 30k. So that is one 30k army defeated, now there is another 30k army left (I hope I am remembering this correctly; I don't have the source material to reference with me as I'm letting my friend borrow the books to read. Someone will correct me if I am wrong I am sure).
Robb would probably be a decent Travian player, he already knows how to fake-attack.
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As a reader, watching the episode with non-book-readers was awesome. I just started to grin when the scene came on, had to try to hide it.
Can't wait for next week!
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On June 14 2011 03:12 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 02:54 Sipher wrote:On June 13 2011 20:26 ShadeR wrote:On June 13 2011 19:50 Geo.Rion wrote:the scene with the caracter judgement game is awesome, it's the highlight of ep 9 the "ive sent 2k people to their death" thing was kind of bullshit, noone would do that + Show Spoiler +, the northen armies were split, and most of the horses went to ambush Jaime's troops, and the other half, mostly foot had a bit of clash and retreated. i like that a lot more, and it actually makes sense Yeah the whole 2000 people 'sacced' is a bit stupid. + Show Spoiler +Maybe HBO didn't want to deal with characters like Bolton so much. I feel like you two missed the point with that. It was actually a brilliant strategical move by Robb. Generals have sacrificed men in the past, it is not unheard of. Jaime Lannister had a 30k army (referenced in episode 5 or 6 when he was in the tent with his dad), and Tywin had another 30k army since they split it in half. You are not going to defeat two 30k armies with two 10k armies, not too mention splitting your tactical advisors and your leaders. Hence, Robb only sent 2k as a diversion, and kept 18k against Jaime's 30k. So that is one 30k army defeated, now there is another 30k army left (I hope I am remembering this correctly; I don't have the source material to reference with me as I'm letting my friend borrow the books to read. Someone will correct me if I am wrong I am sure). Robb would probably be a decent Travian player, he already knows how to fake-attack.
Actually he did a typical terran drop tactic :D
Rushed with some troops, enough to seem a threat to pull away the main army and then dropped (by going through the Twins which is not normally accessible terrain) most of his army in the main base. BAM!!
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I can't believe Robb is actually 15 years old.
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