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On June 04 2011 22:10 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 22:03 Maginor wrote:
Season 2 is almost certainly going to be 10 episodes. The reason we can say that that is what has been announced. In addition, we know the number of the episode GRRM is going to write, and we also know what event in the book that is going to cover. This is pretty ok since book 2 is less than 70 pages longer than book 1, and in season 1, each episode covers about 70 pages. Book 3 is not twice as long as book 1 as many here are saying. It is 1.3-1.4 times as long. That would warrant 3-4 more episodes, however it is not certain that it will be possible to make 14 episodes in one season due to several restrictions put on them. In that case they have said that they will split it into two seasons of 10 episodes each. I hope that won't happen though, because a few of the storylines would be paced very slowly that way.
To the above poster, the reason GRRM used so long time to write the two last books is not because he is a slow writer. He proved with the first three books that he can write fast. The reason was that he ran into huge structural problems in how he was going to get the different storylines where they need to be. He had to completely scrap his original plan, which means that he had to figure out a lot of things anew, and many of the storylines had to be rewritten several times. That, combined with the fact that he had to split the 4th book into two volumes, is probably why aFfC is not that strong of a book in itself. How comes he "ran into" porblems regarding the storyline. I canot imagine a writer planning the next book of his series, then half way trough writing it he remembers that he forgot that those caracters aren't suppoused to be there. If you care to explain, please do so, if you have an article, link, if it's spoilers then PM. thx
It's not that simple. Here is a very good article that is also VERY SPOILERY: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/47184-the-factual-history-of-a-song-of-ice-and-fire/
About changing the length of a season, HBO actually have a history of doing that. And when you have a pre-written story you need to fit into the season, it makes more sense doing it rather than when you can write your own story.
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On June 04 2011 22:03 Maginor wrote:
Season 2 is almost certainly going to be 10 episodes. The reason we can say that that is what has been announced. In addition, we know the number of the episode GRRM is going to write, and we also know what event in the book that is going to cover. This is pretty ok since book 2 is less than 70 pages longer than book 1, and in season 1, each episode covers about 70 pages. Book 3 is not twice as long as book 1 as many here are saying. It is 1.3-1.4 times as long. That would warrant 3-4 more episodes, however it is not certain that it will be possible to make 14 episodes in one season due to several restrictions put on them. In that case they have said that they will split it into two seasons of 10 episodes each. I hope that won't happen though, because a few of the storylines would be paced very slowly that way.
To the above poster, the reason GRRM used so long time to write the two last books is not because he is a slow writer. He proved with the first three books that he can write fast. The reason was that he ran into huge structural problems in how he was going to get the different storylines where they need to be. He had to completely scrap his original plan, which means that he had to figure out a lot of things anew, and many of the storylines had to be rewritten several times. That, combined with the fact that he had to split the 4th book into two volumes, is probably why aFfC is not that strong of a book in itself.
So you mean he had to....write?
Writing is the entire creative process, not just the point where you are typing down what you allready made up in your head. Some people write entire books from conception to final draft in a matter of months.
Sure you can run into a problem, his so called Meereenese knot, but let's be honest, regardless of how complex you make a bunch of plot threads converging, that doesn't take 5 years to figure out. People can cure diseases in less time.
I love the guys writing, it's one of my favorite series in the world and he can write at whatever pace he pleases or just say "lol i am done" but you gotta call things what they are. Five years is slow writing.
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On June 04 2011 23:59 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 22:03 Maginor wrote:
Season 2 is almost certainly going to be 10 episodes. The reason we can say that that is what has been announced. In addition, we know the number of the episode GRRM is going to write, and we also know what event in the book that is going to cover. This is pretty ok since book 2 is less than 70 pages longer than book 1, and in season 1, each episode covers about 70 pages. Book 3 is not twice as long as book 1 as many here are saying. It is 1.3-1.4 times as long. That would warrant 3-4 more episodes, however it is not certain that it will be possible to make 14 episodes in one season due to several restrictions put on them. In that case they have said that they will split it into two seasons of 10 episodes each. I hope that won't happen though, because a few of the storylines would be paced very slowly that way.
To the above poster, the reason GRRM used so long time to write the two last books is not because he is a slow writer. He proved with the first three books that he can write fast. The reason was that he ran into huge structural problems in how he was going to get the different storylines where they need to be. He had to completely scrap his original plan, which means that he had to figure out a lot of things anew, and many of the storylines had to be rewritten several times. That, combined with the fact that he had to split the 4th book into two volumes, is probably why aFfC is not that strong of a book in itself. So you mean he had to....write? Writing is the entire creative process, not just the point where you are typing down what you allready made up in your head. Some people write entire books from conception to final draft in a matter of months. Sure you can run into a problem, his so called Meereenese knot, but let's be honest, regardless of how complex you make a bunch of plot threads converging, that doesn't take 5 years to figure out. People can cure diseases in less time. I love the guys writing, it's one of my favorite series in the world and he can write at whatever pace he pleases or just say "lol i am done" but you gotta call things what they are. Five years is slow writing.
Diseases that take less than 5 years to cure couldn't have been hard to figure out in the first place. Most diseases take considerably longer to cure unless people have already been building up to it for a hundred years.
Anyway, you basically use a different definition of the word writing than I do, and then claim that I was wrong, using your definition. Why do you even bother to disagree when it's just about the definition of the word "writing". I didn't claim that the whole process wasn't slow, just that there was a good reason for it and that he does have the capability to get the book done faster when everything works out. The knot was only one of the problems. And he may be more perfectionist than other authors, but I don't think he is lazy.
Also, you use examples of authors that get books out very fast, while there are also examples of authors that don't get books out that fast such as Tolkien.
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Are there any other series similar to this one? Love the show!
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On June 05 2011 07:38 Ballack wrote:
Are there any other series similar to this one? Love the show!
Not really, but hbo has a lot of good drama shows. Rome maybe. Sopranos is kind of like it though in a different setting.
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On June 05 2011 07:49 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 07:38 Ballack wrote:
Are there any other series similar to this one? Love the show! Not really, but hbo has a lot of good drama shows. Rome maybe. Sopranos is kind of like it though in a different setting.
Have seen both Rome and Sopranos. Sopranos, being pretty much the best show I've ever seen, isn't alike GoT though  I guess I kind of get what you mean but =)
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Rome is my favorite but this show is a very close second place.
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On June 05 2011 08:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Rome is my favorite but this show is a very close second place.
Rome was indeed awesome. Along with The Sopranos, definitely my top HBO shows (other than GoT)
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Spartacus: B&S is really good, but I think it's Showtime maybe?
It's on Netflix though. Be warned though, the sex and gore is like, 10x on Spartacus than GoT
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The first two episodes were kind of iffy but now I'm hooked. The midget is my favorite character.
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On June 05 2011 08:13 SixGun wrote:
Spartacus: B&S is really good, but I think it's Showtime maybe?
It's on Netflix though. Be warned though, the sex and gore is like, 10x on Spartacus than GoT
Not to derail the thread but yeah, Spartacus is quite good. Watched that as well though :p Its on Starz btw. I'm glad I survived the two first episodes of that series with those awful effects etc.
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On June 05 2011 08:19 Ballack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 08:13 SixGun wrote:
Spartacus: B&S is really good, but I think it's Showtime maybe?
It's on Netflix though. Be warned though, the sex and gore is like, 10x on Spartacus than GoT Not to derail the thread but yeah, Spartacus is quite good. Watched that as well though :p Its on Starz btw. I'm glad I survived the two first episodes of that series with those awful effects etc.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the ascending quality of spartacus as the episodes went on. Episodes 1-2 had some of the worst writing to ever appear on tv, yet the show somehow picked up and became very interesting from episode 3 on.
New GOT tonight omgomgomg I'm excited. I feel like all the tension won't be resolved this week though.
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syrrrriooooooooooooooooo noooooooooo
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At what time does it air ?
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On June 06 2011 10:54 desrow wrote:
At what time does it air ?
It just ended. (Airs at 9 pm EST)
So glad we finally got to see Shagga and the Greatjon. Those two are such characters
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Ughhh.. another week to wait...
This show is too good.
Also, that Barristan scene was crazy.
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On June 06 2011 11:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Ughhh.. another week to wait...
This show is too good.
Also, that Barristan scene was crazy.
total G
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Was there some sort of incest going on with the Targaryen siblings or was I imaging that? In episode 1 it seemed to imply that he used to rape her.
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On June 06 2011 10:35 Silver777 wrote:
Wow, Drogo's wound in the series is nothing compared to that in the book.
I think it's actually pretty much the same? At least, that's about how weak a wound I remember it being.
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On June 06 2011 11:46 Voltaire wrote:
Was there some sort of incest going on with the Targaryen siblings or was I imaging that? In episode 1 it seemed to imply that he used to rape her.
He was touching her, but I don't know if there was any explicit rape between her and her brother. But the Targaryen's do marry brother to sister and have an incestuous line, so that would have been the norm.
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